Conspiracy Theory Coronavirus: Origins

[burge13]

One thing I truly struggle to comprehend from the covid cheerleaders. These cases/deaths will obviously go down with lockdowns.

The average age of covid death is about 85, whilst life expectancy is about 82. We're kicking the can down the road a bit, ok. BUT there's going to be a lump sum of deaths when these people's time comes. You can only delay this fact so long.

I assume it's ok they die, it just can't be of this particular virus?

 

[burge13]

I’d say Canada is fairly similar - especially the west. Numbers are fairly comparable. Australia did a good job getting the numbers right down. Was that lockdowns or masks? I’m not sure.

Lockdowns/restrictions. Look at the graphs whereby masks are instituted/mandated in countries and their cases still go up regardless

No one says lockdowns don't "work" in eliminating the spread, banning cars would "work" in lowering the road toll too. What logical people are trying to point out to these thick campaigners is the average age of death is > life expectancy and the collateral damage is far, far worse than the virus itself.

Hawkie likes to point to Europe/Italy as proof they need to lockdown. They're going to suffer a great depression. The UK isn't exactly rich. They'll turn into Greece, so healthy, young people's lives are ruined for the next 30 years in order to save Aunt Norra, 87 from Newcastle. It's farked in the head

Yes, there are some outliers whereby young people die. This is 1/1000038939. Let me know of any other decisions we make based on stopping that risk (there isn't any). You're fine if you're fit, that's what we know about it. Now go for a run if you're paranoid, stop ruining the lives and livelihoods of those wanting to crack on. It should be ones own choice to manage their health. We let people smoke after all

 

[Catfish Alley]

The fact cases haven’t gone up after lockdowns is a great sign in Australia though. Most countries have seen numbers ramp up after opening up things.

 

[burge13]

The fact cases haven’t gone up after lockdowns is a great sign in Australia though. Most countries have seen numbers ramp up after opening up things.

It hasn't been long and we're coming into the warmer months where it has far less impact (kind of like another virus I've heard of )

 

[faible]

Here's the thread.

Certified Legendary Thread - Chrisco Hampers - who in their right mind buys them ?

As Christmas approaches and bogans all across the country await their hard earned chrisco christmas hamper it begs the question why ? The hamper contains readily available products from any supermarket for at least 3 times the price and you run the risk of it not arriving. Do you know anyone...

www.bigfooty.com

Easily one of the best threads on BigFooty, coincides nicely with the off-season lull coming in to Christmas.

 

[Bumpswithagrin]

The fact cases haven’t gone up after lockdowns is a great sign in Australia though. Most countries have seen numbers ramp up after opening up things.

We have barely opened up, just eased a few restrictions.

The cases mean nothing. We have no idea if they are actual sick people or just false positives. Andrews has total control of everything to do with this, we have no way to verify if anything he tells us is legit. All of a sudden we have 0 cases for several days? Just as unlikely as the large numbers we were seeing earlier. More than six months down the track and no-one knows anyone whose had it. The people that die are old people in nursing homes with other major health issues. Most likely many if not all of these deaths are not from Covid.

Whether lock downs work or not is a moot point. You can't restrict the movement of healthy people, force them to wear masks, stop free speech etc. just because of a virus. It could be the Bubonic plague, the government has no right to impose these restrictions on our human rights, period.

 

[Catfish Alley]

For some reason I thought all but Melbourne had been mostly opened up for months. My mistake.

 

[Hawk Dork]

No one is shifting anything Hawkie. If you had an ounce of logical thought in that brain of yours you'd see that

So whats your logic
Sovereign citizens rule ?

 

[Bumpswithagrin]

Some light at the end of the tunnel hopefully.

Sutton flags end of Victorian mask mandate

Sutton flags end of Victorian mask mandate

www.skynews.com.au

 

[Run n Spread]

Can you believe this BS? Judge rules the curfew was legal whilst agreeing it's a breach of human rights. This state is absolutely corrupt from top to bottom.

Court dismisses legal challenge to Melbourne's coronavirus curfew

The Supreme Court dismisses an action from a Melbourne cafe owner and Liberal Party member who claimed the city's coronavirus curfew was unlawful.

www.abc.net.au

Look at informer 666.
This state is corrupt.
My theory is Australia is as corrupt as say Indonesia (they are more honest about it) and while states like WA SA and Qld (even NT) have had their shit hit the fan moments Victoria hasn't (as we were less corrupt)
So it rolls on.
High Court needs to sort this out

 

[Run n Spread]

It hasn't been long and we're coming into the warmer months where it has far less impact (kind of like another virus I've heard of )

What virus? No one has ever got sick in winter

 

[Run n Spread]

For some reason I thought all but Melbourne had been mostly opened up for months. My mistake.

No people are cheering as we are finally allowed out to visit one home and have 20 capacity in a pub. We are no where near open.
Forget about movies live music sporting crowds for the next year.

 

[Drummond]

This is honestly perhaps the biggest conspiracy ever. Crazy how many people are eating up the lies they’ve been fed.

Testing, testing, testing, false positives, old, sick people dying, it’s a scam.

 

[Lethal Knights]

So Google, FB and Twitter have agreed to ban posts saying anything against face masks because some dimwitted senator asked them to. What an absolute joke! Even if you hate Trump, getting him re-elected is our only hope (for now) against these nut jobs.

'Senator Tammy Duckworth asks the CEOs of all three tech companies (Twitter, Facebook, and Google) for a personal commitment that their respective companies "will counter domestic disinformation that spreads the dangerous lies such as "masks don't work..." '

Dorsey Admits To Mob-Driven Censorship On Twitter During Heated Section 230 Hearing | ZeroHedge

ZeroHedge - On a long enough timeline, the survival rate for everyone drops to zero

www.zerohedge.com

Censorship grows and very few seem to care or understand what always follows.

 

[Bumpswithagrin]

Censorship grows and very few seem to care or understand what always follows.

This really bothers me a lot. I have been censored on two forums I belong to, this one being one of them. I try to stress that a topic as important as a virus that apparently necessitates a lock down, face masks and other human rights violations is exactly the sort of thing that must be rigorously debated. To no avail. Instead I'm told I'm spreading misinformation and conspiracy theories. I always make sure not to make ad hominem attacks and so on and yet I am censored. Others are allowed to throw insults around as long as their side of the argument follows the MSM/govt/health officials narrative. Absolutely no doubt free speech in all its forms is under attack.

 

[ioppolo]

Facebook just removes anything that isn't related to "stay home stay safe" and that pathway

 

[BlueE]

WARNING STATISICS AHEAD **** THAT MIGHT CHALLENGE YOUR WORLDVIEW OF COVID 19 (or might not, if you're the usual contributor to the SRP board where you know the thing!)

1. According to ABS Guidance for Certifying Deaths due to COVID-19 updated 25th March 2020, WHO issued emergency advice as to how to certify deaths.
2. WHO issued advice that with underlying causes such as pneumonia with COVID 19, both should be written as underlying causes but COVID-19 should be written as the on the death certificate as the cause of death and counted as a COVID-19 death

Example: Both pneumonia and COVID-9 are written as underlying causes, but the death is certified as a COVID-19 death. This is for all cases with pneumonia and COVID 19.
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However WHO state that you don't have to have proof of a positive test for COVID 19 to write that on the death certificate, you can just suspect the patient had COVID 19.

3. They given other examples of other underlying causes and what should be written as a COVID 19 death on the certificate or whether one of the other underlying causes, should be written and counted as the cause of death. For example, non-communicable diseases such as coronary artery disease, chronic obstructive pulmonary disease (COPD), and diabetes or disabilities.

If the decedent had existing chronic conditions, such as these, they should be reported in Part 2 of the medical certificate of cause of death, but the death certificate will have COVID-19 if the patient has tested positive or suspected to have COVID -19. If the decedent had a motor vehicle accident or MI (heart attack), then that would be written on the death certificate and not COVID 19.

https://www.who.int/classifications/icd/Guidelines_Cause_of_Death_COVID-19-20200420-EN.pdf

4. While I don't think this classification of how to certify deaths due to COVID 19 has been a problem in Australia where there are relatively few deaths and we can assume all cases of COVID are from positive tests, in other countries such as the USA where there was chronic shortage of tests and a financial incentive for the hospital above the usual payment for COVID positive patients, ventilator use and deaths and claims have been made by the CDC and others of an overestimation of COVID - 19 deaths.

In this clip latest 21st October 2020 CDC figure show that 87,000 out of 220,000 COVID 19 deaths in the USA were from influenza and pneumonia.

 

[BlueE]

In Australia and other southern hemisphere countries, good news is somehow flu seems to have disappeared this winter.

When we look at 2017 figures for deaths from Influenza in Australia, in 2017 there were 1,255 deaths due to influenza, recording a standardised death rate of 3.9 per 100,000 persons. An individual dying from influenza in 2017 was most likely to be female, aged over 75 years, have multiple co-morbidities and living in the eastern states of Australia.

When grouped together, influenza and pneumonia accounted for 4,269 deaths in 2017.

Compare this at the moment where we have 907 COVID 19 deaths, which is a rate per 3.6 per 100,000 people. We don't know yet how many pneumonia deaths there will be as these are classified as COVID 19 deaths when CV 19 is present, so there could be 1000s less pneumonia deaths as well.

Total Deaths per 100,000 population - COVID Live

Live tracking of coronavirus cases, active, tests, deaths, ICU, hospitalisations and vaccinations in Australia

covidlive.com.au

 

[BlueE]

And then there are questions about the PCR test for CV 19, and all the facts and figures Les Malone has presented.

Otherwise know as a viral load test. It’s a surrogate test and the inventor of the test (Mullis) specifically said you cannot use this test to either prove infectious etymology or diagnose an infectious disease. Unfortunately Mullis, a Nobel Prize winner, died of pneumonia in August 2019, because he would be one of the loudest detractors of anyone against using this test to diagnose CV 19.

Surrogate tests cannot be used to prove anything. They take one part of RNA sequence and amplify it between 25 – 40 times. After 35 cycles you can start to see viral changes. 40 times see many false positives. Amplify 60 times it will show this virus in 100% of people. Don’t know how many false positive or false negatives as nothing to compare with.

Every country has its own standard of amplification cycles. A manufactured crisis that the number of amplifications, influence the number of positive CV 19 tests. Depending on the amplification used it picks up viral shedding which indicates that sometime in the past the person may have had a virus.

Other Drs have came out and said that the PCR test does not tell us if we have an active virus in a person, when it records a positive, but it’s been called by the media “a case”. A positive PCR test does not mean an active CV 19 case. A case is when someone gets sick from a disease that’s completely different from a positive test.

Fauci “Even if there is asymptomatic transmission has never been the driver of outbreaks.”

 

[BlueE]

It's interesting to do a comparison for COVID 19 pandemic to the 2009 H1N1 flu pandemic.

US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) has estimated the global death toll from the 2009 H1N1 influenza pandemic at more than 284,000 about 15 times the number of laboratory-confirmed cases.

The CDC-led team, which included researchers from several other countries, based its estimates on H1N1 case data from 12 countries and case-fatality ratios (CFRs) reported from five countries. Their report was published online in the Lancet Infectious Diseases.

The team estimated that 80% of those who died were younger than 65, which is in accord with previous observations that the pandemic H1N1 burden fell heavily on younger people, unlike the pattern for seasonal flu or CV 19.

The authors also estimated the years of life lost to the pandemic by multiplying the estimated number of deaths in each age-group by the number of years of life expected for each age-group by country. They came up with a figure of 9,707,000 years.

It would be very interesting to compare "estimated years of life lost" in CV 19 deaths, especially when the average age of death is around the estimated age of death, so that figure would be close to zero in Australia.

CDC estimate of global H1N1 pandemic deaths: 284,000

www.cidrap.umn.edu

 

[BlueE]

 

[BlueE]

https://cairnsnews.org/2020/11/02/police-blow-whistle-on-coronavirus-deception/

We are writing to you to raise concerns we have about the use of the police to enforce the ongoing restrictions placed upon our citizens relating to COVID-19, which has seriously eroded community trust in our great police force.

With these frightening projections ( from the Imperial College in the UK [1] and the Peter Doherty Institute here in Australia, indicating a catastrophic number of cases) it became evident that we needed to find a way to quickly diagnose the disease. Yet the Centre for Disease Control in the US states that “no quantified virus isolates of the 2019-nCoV are currently available”. [3] So even without the virus being isolated, the RT PCR test was picked to become the gold standard for testing.

We note that the modelling was later found to have serious calculation errors, such that experts who later reviewed it have said “no serious scientist gives (it) any validity”. [4, 5] And now the RT PCR test has been proven to be unreliable at best, with the inventor stating it should “never be used to diagnose infectious disease”, because it cannot tell if what it detected is alive or dead. [6, 7, 8] This test is still being relied upon to make critical decisions in the interest of public health and safety.

In the same way we cannot use an inaccurate speed detection device to proctor a civilian’s speed, the same must be demanded of a faulty RT PCR test and as such, police should not in any way mandate testing for covid-19, or rely on any outcome of the results. Now that we have almost 12 months of statistical data that can be relied upon, in place of flawed computer modelling, these statistics show a reality that is far from the modelling projections, which were relied upon by National Cabinet in their response. Here are some statistics which reflect this reality:

For example, we now know that around 45% of people who contract the virus are asymptomatic [9] and asymptomatic transmission is between 0-2.2% [10]. We also know that 80% of people who contract the virus will only have mild symptoms [11] and it is overwhelmingly the elderly and immuno-compromised who are at risk of severe symptoms that could result in death. [12] At the time of writing, the world-wide survival rate for covid-19 is 97.3%. [13] The ordinary flu is 99.9%. [14] Furthermore, statistics clearly show that while the confirmed cases may be on the rise, the percentage of deaths is plummeting.

Sweden and Taiwan did not enforce lockdown on its citizens like much of the world did. Although Sweden failed to take better precautions to protect the elderly in the early stages, their death rate is comparable, and Taiwan’s is outstanding. The statistics show there is a high infection rate across the globe, but very low deaths; regardless of whether there was forced lockdowns or not. What we can derive from analysis of this is that these two distinctly different ways have resulted in much the same outcome.

We note from the recent Federal budget, huge debt and unemployment, is that our lockdowns have created a series of problems that now seem to outweigh the threat this virus poses. In our line of work, we know that the socioeconomical problems created here will transpire into a greater threat down the track, as people struggle to deal with the collateral damage this is causing.

We have been told that the advice from the World Health Organization is a key aspect to the National Cabinet response, yet Dr David Nabarro of the WHO recently stated “We in the World Health Organization do not advocate lockdowns as the primary means of control of this virus,” [15] So in spite of the facts, as they stand now, it would appear that the National Cabinet has been lagging in its capacity to adapt to the reality of the situation and this is causing them to fail in their duty to respond in proportion to the risk. The risk being overwhelmingly with the elderly and immunocompromised. [16, 17, 18]

What is even more concerning is the prohibition on prescribing hydroxychloroquine for COVID-19 [19], when over 121 peer reviewed scientific studies have shown it to be effective in treating and preventing the disease [20, 21, 22]. Instead, the federal government has done a vaccine deal with AstraZeneca [23] and Australians told we cannot expect to go back to normal until a vaccine arrives.

AstraZeneca has been found guilty of offences relating to off-label or unapproved promotion of medical products, making false claims, kickbacks and bribery, consumer protection violation, healthcare offences, government-contracting violations and more. Since 2000 they have been fined over US$1.1billion dollars for these offences and violations. [24] Still, they have been granted protection from future product liability claims relating to its COVID-19 vaccine [25].

Alarmingly, Prime Minister Scott Morrison stated they will make the vaccine “as mandatory as you can possibly make it” [26], in spite of the criminal record of its producer, their exemption from liability claims, the fact we already have at least two approved and extremely safe medications in Ivermectin [27] and hydroxychloroquine; shown to be effective treatments and the reality that the virus does not pose a serious threat to the healthy. It seems these decisions appear to be corporate interests, not in the best interests of public health and wellbeing as is claimed.

All this indicates that the ongoing restrictions on the healthy population is a disproportionate response, yet the police are still expected to continue to enforce these measures and at risk of being forced to vaccinate against a disease that is showing not to be virulent, with a vaccine that has had no long-term safety studies and then forcing it upon the population. The evidence would suggest resources are better directed to protect the vulnerable.

We are concerned with the legitimacy of the actions we are being told to take against the citizens of Australia. States and territories cannot rise above the commonwealth constitution as well as international treaties we are signatories to, yet this is occurring. Under the state of emergency, the emergency requirements are qualified and restricted by the significant fact that emergency requirements and directions cannot request an individual to be isolated, detained, tested, vaccinated, medically treated or bodily searched in the absence of a biosecurity control order issued to the individual.

It goes on and is fully referenced. Cops don't want to take mandated vaccines especially from AstraZeneca which have caused serious side effects and deaths, for a virus that has been shown to have the same or lower death rate in Australia as the flu and there are effective and safe medications for.

 

[Tiger Toffee]

Head scratcher moment number 1:

I can't sit down in a food court at a shopping centre because it is too dangerous so i need to remain standing......................

I can't stand up at a pub/cafe/restaurant because it is too dangerous so i need to remain seated.

WTF

 

[Run n Spread]

Head scratcher moment number 1:

I can't sit down in a food court at a shopping centre because it is too dangerous so i need to remain standing......................

I can't stand up at a pub/cafe/restaurant because it is too dangerous so i need to remain seated.

WTF

That's simply bureaucracy. The rules are just stupid. Even offices with a legionnaires outbreak never had this. Meningitis anyone?
Useful idiots I believe is the term used for those enforcing this crap.

 

[Run n Spread]

From another perspective. Something off about this vaccine. Every message about it. The track and trace and arrest powers I get as police and governments have pulled that shit for years. But why a vaccine been mandatory? When anyone who wants it can get it? Without going full smart blood or tracking conspiracy there is something suss about it and how it's pushed. Probs just a money grab thou could be more to it