Cory Bernardi

[Showbags]

Sherb it is easy to jump on kwikfix for his comment but standing back, many Australians don't appreciate that you often have to do it tough for a while to build a strong foundation.

sure not everyone has that opportunity (or capability) but many don't appreciate the value of hard work and then complain about life.

But this is the problem with people like yourself. You take a small sample of a group you are targeting and extrapolate that out to mean the whole group is doing it and should all be tarred with the same brush.

Are there dole bludgers unwilling to work? Yes. But the problem is your "solutions" also negatively affect the others whose unemployment is not actually a consequence of their actions or unwillingness to work.

 

[Power Raid]

But this is the problem with people like yourself. You take a small sample of a group you are targeting and extrapolate that out to mean the whole group is doing it and should all be tarred with the same brush.

Are there dole bludgers unwilling to work? Yes. But the problem is your "solutions" also negatively affect the others whose unemployment is not actually a consequence of their actions or unwillingness to work.

I see you didn't get to my second paragraph


further what solutions are you referring to?

 

[Showbags]

I see you didn't get to my second paragraph

TBF to you, at least you acknowledge that fact (unlike most others). But the underlying sentiment is still there in almost every post you do.

 

[Maggie5]

TBF to you, at least you acknowledge that fact (unlike most others). But the underlying sentiment is still there in almost every post you do.

What posters like PR don't understand is that if you are 18 and over, lack skills, experience or education the job market is very limited.
Most of the jobs created by this government have been part-time, low skill or manufacturing jobs are scarce and only going to get worse.
To get any decent job you need to know someone that knows someone.
Even apprenticeships are down and traineeships are almost non-existent.
Some people need to stop thinking from their position in their ivory tower.

 

[Gough]

What posters like PR don't understand is that if you are 18 and over, lack skills, experience or education the job market is very limited.
Most of the jobs created by this government have been part-time, low skill or manufacturing jobs are scarce and only going to get worse.
To get any decent job you need to know someone that knows someone.
Even apprenticeships are down and traineeships are almost non-existent.
Some people need to stop thinking from their position in their ivory tower.

Gutting the shit out of the TAFE system so private education providers can line their pockets is hardly helping things either.

 

[Power Raid]

TBF to you, at least you acknowledge that fact (unlike most others). But the underlying sentiment is still there in almost every post you do.

perhaps it reads like that, but I can assure you I am more socialist in practice than most including those who claim to be on the left on BF. Where it may get confused is I believe that life isn't easy, Australians have it easy compared to the world and thus live in a bubble, to maintain high standard of our socialist policies we need to work hard and take responsibility. Meaning, I don't believe socialist policies are paid for out of thin air, rather it is paid for by those that work hard and create wealth.

The whole reason we have socialist policies is because people can't look after themselves all the time (kids, the elderly, the sick etc). To carry that weight, the able have to work harder. Unfortunately some of the able are happy squeezing in on the governments teet and consuming resources allocated to our most vulnerable and needy. It is those that I raise eyebrows at.


Going back to Sherbs and kwikfix's comments; kwikfix made the representation that he has got off his arse, made sacrifices and did it tough for a bit. He has done exactly what able bodied people should do early in their lives to set themselves up.

Whilst guys like *****, want to smoke dope all day and complain that a life long dream of selling books stoned is not a great career option in the digital age. I single out *****, as he is clearly one of the more intelligent guys on BF and I assume able and capable (I also respect him).

So who should we be calling out? Kwikfix or guys like ****? I think that is part of the problem with Australia and Australian politics. As a nation we don't value hard work, sacrifice and success enough. We should be saying THANKYOU Kwikfix for looking after yourself and doing your bit contributing to our socialist policies paid for by you.


Instead we have too many ****'s and ****'s who vote and as such the policies of the nation tax wealth creation (rather than taxing wealth), focus on short-term-ism (Labor's CGT proposals), red/ green tape and hand outs to the middle class (Howard).

 

[Showbags]

I see you didn't get to my second paragraph


further what solutions are you referring to?

Sorry, I was indulging in a bit of what I accused you of, lumping you in with conservatives like Abetz etc who are looking to withhold Newstart from those under 25.

 

[Power Raid]

What posters like PR don't understand is that if you are 18 and over, lack skills, experience or education the job market is very limited.
Most of the jobs created by this government have been part-time, low skill or manufacturing jobs are scarce and only going to get worse.
To get any decent job you need to know someone that knows someone.
Even apprenticeships are down and traineeships are almost non-existent.
Some people need to stop thinking from their position in their ivory tower.

just the opposite Maggie.

I am pro giving people an opportunity to succeed and I do appreciate that opportunities are limited for many that you highlight. Where our views differ is what is the cause of this problem and how to remedy the situation.

For me, work is not just about creating wealth but participating, meaning the issue is two fold being an economic problem and a health/ social problem. Our current policy is to give people sit down money, sit out in the suburbs and rot quietly. We then crack the shits and lock people up for misbehaving. Further we are somehow surprised that our mental health problems are through the roof.


Imagine a situation where there was no dole, rather a subsidy payment for work to reach a minimum income. This addresses income and participation. Imagine a scenario where all workers were given equity in the business they worked, so they are aligned with the goals of the organisation and cared about performance. This also minimises the risk of tax evasion as those that work in an organisation are in a position of oversight.

Imagine a scenario where society DID NOT value education in the bullshit university scam we have today. Rather an education system where education centres and industry worked more closely together and paid for by industry but most importantly focused on value rather than seeing students as revenue. This already exists in some industries and some countries.

In regards to governments, they should govern. I remember the days of needing to take a day off from work to register a car at the DMV SA. Anyone suggesting government was wholesale better has forgotten how bad service was.

My ivory tower of Guinea, Philipines, Indonesia, Peru and the outback? Perhaps it is because I operate in busted arse locations that I appreciate what we have and how we achieved it.

 

[Power Raid]

Sorry, I was indulging in a bit of what I accused you of, lumping you in with conservatives like Abetz etc who are looking to withhold Newstart from those under 25.

FTR

any moron who witholds a few hundred bucks from the needy is complicit in crime.

From my experience living near Wellington square in East Perth, aborigines living in the park over the age of 18 were no trouble. The parents were happily pissing it up under a tree with their dole money with complete disregard to the kids needs (being fed).

It was the kids starving hungry who committed the crimes. but who could blame the kids for that.

Knowing that desperate people do desperate things. We have an obligation to help.



I am not sure of the detail of the withhold Newstart. If it is a straight out no payment then they are on drugs. If it is a requirement to work for the dole, then that is fine. In fact all welfare payments should come with participation requirements, be it working for the council, a charity, study etc.

 

[Maggie5]

just the opposite Maggie.

I am pro giving people an opportunity to succeed and I do appreciate that opportunities are limited for many that you highlight. Where our views differ is what is the cause of this problem and how to remedy the situation.

For me, work is not just about creating wealth but participating, meaning the issue is two fold being an economic problem and a health/ social problem. Our current policy is to give people sit down money, sit out in the suburbs and rot quietly. We then crack the shits and lock people up for misbehaving. Further we are somehow surprised that our mental health problems are through the roof.


Imagine a situation where there was no dole, rather a subsidy payment for work to reach a minimum income. This addresses income and participation. Imagine a scenario where all workers were given equity in the business they worked, so they are aligned with the goals of the organisation and cared about performance. This also minimises the risk of tax evasion as those that work in an organisation are in a position of oversight.

Imagine a scenario where society DID NOT value education in the bullshit university scam we have today. Rather an education system where education centres and industry worked more closely together and paid for by industry but most importantly focused on value rather than seeing students as revenue. This already exists in some industries and some countries.

In regards to governments, they should govern. I remember the days of needing to take a day off from work to register a car at the DMV SA. Anyone suggesting government was wholesale better has forgotten how bad service was.

My ivory tower of Guinea, Philipines, Indonesia, Peru and the outback? Perhaps it is because I operate in busted arse locations that I appreciate what we have and how we achieved it.

Instead of all the imagining, I would rather concentrate on Australia in the past three years and right now. Those countries you mentioned are not the concern of the those currently unemployed and doing it hard.

Years ago there were a lot more opportunities, now they are very limited. This is the reality!

When businesses like the MV and those in their supply chain, Steel, Aluminium, etc Manufacturing was/is amongst the biggest employers and they are closing down, who will fill those employer gaps?

I have read your thought on governments governing but surely their policies should also include policies that can stimulate the economy to encourage job growth and not just to increase the profits of their supporter base.

My work in the past has meant that I have ecountered a number of people in difficult circumstances and sadly you have no understanding of their plight.

Stop living in the past, it is gone there is a new reality and it is not good.

 

[Xsess]

Lets pretend that all of the 50% of Australian's drawing welfare are doing so out of necessity and therefore any debate about rolling welfare back is evil. What could possibly go wrong?

 

[Power Raid]

Instead of all the imagining, I would rather concentrate on Australia in the past three years and right now. Those countries you mentioned are not the concern of the those currently unemployed and doing it hard.

Years ago there were a lot more opportunities, now they are very limited. This is the reality!

rubbish, there is more opportunity now than ever in the history of man. the game has changed and our schools, family and political environment has not adapted fast enough. As such many feel very vulnerable, this is very different to having less opportunity.

That said when I walk around Sydney and Melbourne, I can't help but question why youth would live there unless you had a silver spoon.

When businesses like the MV and those in their supply chain, Steel, Aluminium, etc Manufacturing was/is amongst the biggest employers and they are closing down, who will fill those employer gaps?

killing off blue collar jobs is a huge mistake and thus why I was against pumping our FX up through the roof during the GFC. We would have been better as a society to take some medicine in the short term.

The car industry was always going to go but our refining capability could have stayed but instead we voted for expensive power. This of course means refining shifts overseas and so to it, blue collar jobs.

I have read your thought on governments governing but surely their policies should also include policies that can stimulate the economy to encourage job growth and not just to increase the profits of their supporter base.

yes, I agree.

Policies should promote an environment and economy that encourages wealth creation and jobs growth. That said the jobs growth needs to have the basic test of wealth generation (measured not just $s but participation as well).

Profits always remain the same (over the long term) based on a natural benchmark of risk/ reward compared to other alternatives. So there is no point chasing profits from a policy point of view. rather it is a default outcome if policy is right.

A big part of the equation is risk which can be created by poor policy implementation (carbon tax, mining tax, unions (yes I know you will disagree)). Picking on the mining tax (which I believe should be implemented) was shut appropriately repealed. The policy should have been introduced over time, fair for both foreign and local companies (Mk2 favoured foreign companies) and failed to properly address the real issues being state agreements (a type of title) and transfer pricing. The result of poor policy increased risk, decreased investment and ultimately a loss in jobs (most notably SA).

My work in the past has meant that I have ecountered a number of people in difficult circumstances and sadly you have no understanding of their plight.

Stop living in the past, it is gone there is a new reality and it is not good.

the past is gone and it is a fact life has never been better for so many. it doesn't mean there isn't challenges, pain or suffering. it is just a call to be honest with ourselves and the realities, so we can set the compass right to head in the right direction.

 

[Maggie5]

rubbish, there is more opportunity now than ever in the history of man. the game has changed and our schools, family and political environment has not adapted fast enough. As such many feel very vulnerable, this is very different to having less opportunity.

That said when I walk around Sydney and Melbourne, I can't help but question why youth would live there unless you had a silver spoon.



killing off blue collar jobs is a huge mistake and thus why I was against pumping our FX up through the roof during the GFC. We would have been better as a society to take some medicine in the short term.

The car industry was always going to go but our refining capability could have stayed but instead we voted for expensive power. This of course means refining shifts overseas and so to it, blue collar jobs.



yes, I agree.

Policies should promote an environment and economy that encourages wealth creation and jobs growth. That said the jobs growth needs to have the basic test of wealth generation (measured not just $s but participation as well).

Profits always remain the same (over the long term) based on a natural benchmark of risk/ reward compared to other alternatives. So there is no point chasing profits from a policy point of view. rather it is a default outcome if policy is right.

A big part of the equation is risk which can be created by poor policy implementation (carbon tax, mining tax, unions (yes I know you will disagree)). Picking on the mining tax (which I believe should be implemented) was shut appropriately repealed. The policy should have been introduced over time, fair for both foreign and local companies (Mk2 favoured foreign companies) and failed to properly address the real issues being state agreements (a type of title) and transfer pricing. The result of poor policy increased risk, decreased investment and ultimately a loss in jobs (most notably SA).



the past is gone and it is a fact life has never been better for so many. it doesn't mean there isn't challenges, pain or suffering. it is just a call to be honest with ourselves and the realities, so we can set the compass right to head in the right direction.

You have no idea...
Everything you post about is based on your own experiences, get out into the real world for a change and see how the other three quarters live and how their lives have been impacted.
This government is all about its supporter base, big companies and farmers (especially the farmers), they should face the consequences of risks and bad decisions just like the rest of the broader community.

 

[Power Raid]

You have no idea...
Everything you post about is based on your own experiences, get out into the real world for a change and see how the other three quarters live and how their lives have been impacted.
This government is all about its supporter base, big companies and farmers (especially the farmers), they should face the consequences of risks and bad decisions just like the rest of the broader community.

after all this time you still think the Libs represent big business, yet it is Labor that supports big business, centralisation of labour and centralisation of power.

 

[Maggie5]

after all this time you still think the Libs represent big business, yet it is Labor that supports big business, centralisation of labour and centralisation of power.

Okay if you think that this is the discussion is all about...

I have commented on this term of government, I have not given labor a pass so not sure what your point is.

 

[Power Raid]

Okay if you think that this is the discussion is all about...

I have commented on this term of government, I have not given labor a pass so not sure what your point is.

I was merely responding to your claim.

I also struggle with your logic about the real world. Does struggling give one better perspective about how to deal with social policy? Or does becoming financially successful, from a suburb like Parafield, provide an opportunity to reflect on the barriers to wealth? I dare say both have something to add.

 

[Maggie5]

I was merely responding to your claim.

I also struggle with your logic about the real world. Does struggling give one better perspective about how to deal with social policy? Or does becoming financially successful, from a suburb like Parafield, provide an opportunity to reflect on the barriers to wealth? I dare say both have something to add.

No, struggle does not give one a better perspective but seeing how others cope does. It also makes one appreciate what they have and is concerned about the circumstances of others not compare themselves to their own experiences which you do often.

You always resort back to your experiences and it almost like you don't see others as real people and respond theoretically.

 

[Power Raid]

No, struggle does not give one a better perspective but seeing how others cope does. It also makes one appreciate what they have and is concerned about the circumstances of others not compare themselves to their own experiences which you do often.

You always resort back to your experiences and it almost like you don't see others as real people and respond theoretically.

fair call

please note I have had to re-learn to read and write post my health issues. This may help explain why more posts are poorly articulated and appear a little crude for the reasons you highlight.

 

[kwikfix]

Farmers still can't get locals to work for them, apparently the $21 hourly rate isn't enough and the work is to hard for young Australians.

UPDATE 2pm: FARMERS across the nation are breathing a sigh of relief following the announcement the proposed and highly controversial 'Backpacker Tax' would be implemented at a reduced rate of 19%.

However, the agricultural community, fearing its temporary workforce would be decimated by this clear disincentive for backpackers to come to Australia, strongly opposed the measure.
http://www.northernstar.com.au/news/hogan-welcomes-slash-to-backpacker-tax/3094227/

 

[Maggie5]

fair call

please note I have had to re-learn to read and write post my health issues. This may help explain why more posts are poorly articulated and appear a little crude for the reasons you highlight.

I wasn't aware of any recent health issues as your positing style seems consistent with I have read since coming to this board.

 

[Maggie5]

Farmers still can't get locals to work for them, apparently the $21 hourly rate isn't enough and the work is to hard for young Australians.

UPDATE 2pm: FARMERS across the nation are breathing a sigh of relief following the announcement the proposed and highly controversial 'Backpacker Tax' would be implemented at a reduced rate of 19%.

However, the agricultural community, fearing its temporary workforce would be decimated by this clear disincentive for backpackers to come to Australia, strongly opposed the measure.
http://www.northernstar.com.au/news/hogan-welcomes-slash-to-backpacker-tax/3094227/

Maybe they should make a deal with Dairy Farmers, they seem to need work.

 

[kwikfix]

For those unfortunate people who don't get a weekly email from Cory, you can have a read below.

Dear Kwikfix,

The brave new world is upon us. Freedom of thought, freedom of expression and freedom of speech are all under threat by the politically correct social justice warriors (SJW). Their modus operandi is to pressure businesses, both large and small, into conformity with their agenda.

We have myriad examples in recent years, like when the Greens party led the anti-Semitic Boycott, Divestment, Sanctions (BDS) movement targeting Jewish businesses. The rainbow lobby have exerted their influence on our corporates to support and fund the homosexual marriage campaign. When one of our biggest companies, Telstra, withdrew their public support for the campaign they were targeted by the SJW and bullied back into acquiescence.

Rainbow lobbyists have also targeted small businesses in an attempt to stop them being involved with groups that have a different perspective on marriage or the Safe Schools Coalition program.

I personally experienced this when a speaking engagement was cancelled due to threats of violence by sections of the queer movement. It also happened a few weeks ago to the Marriage Alliance Forum when a conference had to be cancelled because of intimidation and threats to staff at the venue. No sensible person can support such behaviour.

However, there is a difference between that type of conduct and the non-coerced decision of an individual business to decide they don’t want your business – for whatever reason.

It happened last week to publishing company Connor Court. Their usual printer, McPherson’s, refused to print the book Stealing from a Child: the Injustice of ‘Marriage Equality’ due to the subject matter and content.

My guess is McPherson’s management only read the title and wouldn’t have a clue about the actual content, but the author Dr David van Gend defended their right to make the decision they did.

Van Gend said “…it is within their right as a private company to discriminate against people like me on ideological grounds …We are not like some people who would take anti-discrimination action. We do not think those sort of laws are worthy of a free society and we do not use them.”

Not everyone shares Dr van Gend’s views but in this instance he is right.

However, I cannot help but contrast the reaction if the boot was on the other foot, so to speak. If a printer refused to provide services to one of the sanctioned SJW causes I can only imagine all hell would break loose.

Complaints would be made, protests organised, owners named and shamed and legal action would be forthcoming.

We have seen as much happen to the Catholic Church in Tasmania for upholding Catholic doctrine. We have seen bakers fined in America for refusing to support homosexual weddings and we have seen a Christian baker in South Australia targeted for protests merely for saying they don’t support redefining marriage.

And yet, when commercial television networks or taxpayer-funded public broadcasters have refused to carry advertisements supporting traditional marriage there has been little comment.

These display a similar conscientious refusal but completely different responses.

And this is the essence of the dilemma we now face; is it okay for any business to say they simply don’t want your business for any or no reason? Personally I think it is, but that freedom has to be defended and protected so that it applies to any business, no matter what side of a debate they are on.

Until next week.

Cory Bernardi

P.S Don't forget to listen to my regular podcast at www.corybernardi.com/podcast or subscribe to it here.

 

[Showbags]

For those unfortunate people who don't get a weekly email from Cory, you can have a read below.

It is quite astonishing that people actually take the time out of their busy lives to bother listening to or reading an opinion from Cory Bernardi.

You would think that these people would want to conserve as many of the small amount of braincells they actually possess.

 

[medusala]

A hardcore Mick upset about freedom of expression.

Yep, his church has always been known for that.

Knob.

"freedom has to be defended"

via a rat line to South America?

 

[Power Raid]

I wasn't aware of any recent health issues as your positing style seems consistent with I have read since coming to this board.

I joined BF in 2004 to remain connected with Port Adelaide given the Port articles in "The West" were few and far between but I rarely posted. It wasn't until the wheels had fallen off, a few years later health-wise, that I started posting. BF was a fun tool to improve my reading and writing again as the posts are short and about footy stuff.

I didn't start posting in the SRP board until after the health issue, which explains the consistency.

Health these days is much better but every 6 weeks my body attacks itself, with the most common; incredible kidney pain, the joints which occasionally prevents me from walking and my eyes which is not only painful but effects my vision (ala now).

What is ridiculous is if I was in my 20s, no one would hire me as they would suggest I couldn't do "the job" because of the health issues or my inability to read and write. Yet no one questions these issues sitting at the board table. I'm just lucky the wheels fell off when they did, rather than earlier, as I would never have been given an opportunity. Perhaps that's why I believe in giving others opportunity.