Roast Cotchin

[Maybenextyear]

I don't think anyone is blaming the wind for the loss. We were totally outplayed , didn't chase hard and basically looked totally cooked.

But seriously....why the hell would you kick against the wind. Getting off to any kind of decent start was always going to be important. Just looked to be a really stupid decision.

 

[Maybenextyear]

Not sure the wind had a great deal to do with goals kicked by Port in the 1st, not to many were kicked from outside 50. I think the lack of pressure had more to do with it.

When i coached junior footy many moons ago, i always instructed my team to kick into the breeze in the 1st, as you were fresh, and could come home with it when you were tired in the last quarter.

Well Cotchin must have played in your junior team as in all my years of juniors and open age playing footy I have never once seen a side kick against the wind winning a toss. Just stupidity.

 

[Frustrated Tiger]

Not sure the wind had a great deal to do with goals kicked by Port in the 1st, not to many were kicked from outside 50. I think the lack of pressure had more to do with it.

When i coached junior footy many moons ago, i always instructed my team to kick into the breeze in the 1st, as you were fresh, and could come home with it when you were tired in the last quarter.

Looks like all junior coaches read the same coaching book....probably why we were shit....lol

 

[RichoLedio]

It was a very poor decision from Cotch, had we gone the other way maybe we kick a couple early and quiet the crowd down and make a real game of it, seemed to me that when they banged on the first couple we just lost the plot and couldn't hit a target if it was 2m in front of us

 

[NUFC Tiger]

Lol Port still outscored and outplayed us kicking into the wind. If we're going to use that as an excuse then we're living with our head in the sand!

From the first bounce, only 1 team looked like winning and sadly it wasn't us. A lot didn't go our way/pan out like we wanted yesterday but putting all the blame on the coin toss is laughable.

 

[Tiger71]

Melbourne would have beaten us again today.

Spot on. It is as simple as we had a shocker. Unfortunately we had a shocker during a final but it does happen.

 

[RECORDS!]

I find the criticism of the OP astounding.

We led clearances, contested possessions, uncontested possessions and tackles at 1/4 time. These KPI results would nearly always have us in front. The problem was that we were turning the ball over because we were kicking into a bloody 5 goal wind.

Also everyone knows you don't give Port a loose if you can avoid it. We could have avoided it by kicking with the wind and playing man on man in the first quarter.

Most of their goals in the first quarter were directly from turnovers.

Shocking lack of smarts and leadership by everyone involved.

 

[tgrs]

The real problem was that the team didn't show up on the day. The kicking against the wind theory can't be blamed for our poor performance, the only reason it is even getting this much traction is because the commentators made it an issue by constantly talking about it as a means to justify why one side was so much better than the other. Anyone watching the game could see that Port wanted it more; they were running harder, hitting targets and finishing clinically whilst we lacked intensity in the contest from the outset, we kept kicking it to the ****ing spare and making stupid turnovers as well as withdrawing further into our shells with each goal rather than accepting the challenge posed to us which is what good teams do.

 

[mauricerioli]

Not sure the wind had a great deal to do with goals kicked by Port in the 1st, not to many were kicked from outside 50. I think the lack of pressure had more to do with it.

When i coached junior footy many moons ago, i always instructed my team to kick into the breeze in the 1st, as you were fresh, and could come home with it when you were tired in the last quarter.

That`s what I remember from junior footy too.

I find it strange when people say you should always kick with the wind in the first quarter.

 

[CoggaRules]

Only conceivable reason I can come up with, why we kicked against it in the first was that we wanted to come home to the end where the tiger army was. I will stand my ground on this, in hindsight it cost us any chance of saving the game. Our kicks couldnt penetrate into our FL, balls were stopping in flight and dropping straight down, one kick from a port player was sailing deep into a rampant FL and end of story. Had we kicked with the wind, even taking into consideration the surge by the power, we go into qtr time, say 4 down and mentally not of out of it. We learn another lesson as we move on with our development. Positive? we come from the clouds and clinched a spot, after one of the most ****ed up starts in our last 5 years...had we finished ninth, most here would be talking us up for next year as contenders with a few improvements, nothing changes dudes, we are on the verge of a great run of finals footy over the stretch.

 

[TigerTank]

Choosing to kick against the wind is as stupid a decision as electing to bat second in one day cricket.
Sunday's game was all about Port's momentum in the first quarter. Would we have won if we kicked with the wind? No one will ever know.

 

[CoggaRules]

Choosing to kick against the wind is as stupid a decision as electing to bat second in one day cricket.
Sunday's game was all about Port's momentum in the first quarter. Would we have won if we kicked with the wind? No one will ever know.

And here we were watching it at a pub and when we won the toss, we were cheering thinking we had first dibs on the wind...like WTF was that about?? I mean seriously, we are talking about an AFL team with plans etc coming out or our arses and we get the basic rule that even junior footy teams get right, wrong? Just doesnt make sense.

 

[living_in_syd]

It was silly. Probably not Cotchins choice? If it was, then I still blame RFC Footy department for being stupid and leaving it up to him.

Momentum was massive in this game, it would have created confidence.

Once Port was in front, they played with risk and flair.

If we had the wind, we MAY have given us a shot of making it close, and you never know what would have happened since Port would have played a lot tighter.

Silly RFC. We always seem to be the club that makes the simple mistakes.

 

[Tigey]

For those who were there, my mail was the wind was not a factor, as it was almost blowing across the ground?

Lack of desire and a playing a better side on the day seems more the problem

 

[DrMike]

I find the criticism of the OP astounding.

We led clearances, contested possessions, uncontested possessions and tackles at 1/4 time. These KPI results would nearly always have us in front. The problem was that we were turning the ball over because we were kicking into a bloody 5 goal wind.

Also everyone knows you don't give Port a loose if you can avoid it. We could have avoided it by kicking with the wind and playing man on man in the first quarter.

Most of their goals in the first quarter were directly from turnovers.

Shocking lack of smarts and leadership by everyone involved.

We were also leading turnovers, fumbles, mistakes and poor effort

 

[Tigey]

We were also leading turnovers, fumbles, mistakes and poor effort

GOLD

 

[Richo is God]

In his defence, we did the pre game warm up at the "windy" end and the ball was all over the place then we went to the other end before the bounce.

We had the "wind" in the 2nd qtr and still got outscored.

 

[RECORDS!]

We were also leading turnovers, fumbles, mistakes and poor effort

I mentioned the turnovers. Which in turn leads onto mistakes.

Really leading 'poor effort' when you are leading clearances, contested possies and tackles? That would be unusual.

 

[SumTingWong]

For those who were there, my mail was the wind was not a factor, as it was almost blowing across the ground?

Lack of desire and a playing a better side on the day seems more the problem

I was there and definitely thought there was a big advantage at one end. Griff had a shot in the first quarter (on the run?) and didn't make it from 50 where he kicked a point from 60 easily in the second. The wind doesn't mean you don't chase and make stupid decisions though.

 

[Barry_Badrinath]

 

[TiggerMan22]

I don't think anyone is blaming the wind for the loss. We were totally outplayed , didn't chase hard and basically looked totally cooked.

But seriously....why the hell would you kick against the wind. Getting off to any kind of decent start was always going to be important. Just looked to be a really stupid decision.

He didn't. As has been said many times, the wind was swirly at the time and neither end seemed to have an advantage.

 

[TiggerMan22]

Choosing to kick against the wind is as stupid a decision as electing to bat second in one day cricket.
Sunday's game was all about Port's momentum in the first quarter. Would we have won if we kicked with the wind? No one will ever know.

I do. The answer is no. We would've lost by 10 goals.

 

[TiggerMan22]

I find the criticism of the OP astounding.

We led clearances, contested possessions, uncontested possessions and tackles at 1/4 time. These KPI results would nearly always have us in front. The problem was that we were turning the ball over because we were kicking into a bloody 5 goal wind.

Also everyone knows you don't give Port a loose if you can avoid it. We could have avoided it by kicking with the wind and playing man on man in the first quarter.

Most of their goals in the first quarter were directly from turnovers.

Shocking lack of smarts and leadership by everyone involved.

Maybe have a look at Ken Hickleys post game interview? He said that the wind was SWIRLY, and that there was no obvious option of which way to kick.

 

[WATiger86]

We led clearances, contested possessions, uncontested possessions and tackles at 1/4 time. These KPI results would nearly always have us in front. The problem was that we were turning the ball over because we were kicking into a bloody 5 goal wind.

Never have stats meant so little. Waiting in line for a few beers at half time i was reading the LCD screens showing the stats. All our KPIs were pretty much even at half time, except we had not yet had a single mark inside 50?!

 

[tigs2010]

It was a very poor decision from Cotch, had we gone the other way maybe we kick a couple early and quiet the crowd down and make a real game of it, seemed to me that when they banged on the first couple we just lost the plot and couldn't hit a target if it was 2m in front of us

Doubt it. We didn't get the ball in the first few minutes and when we did we kicked it to Port.