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HODGEYROAD said:
What's the reason ? I haven't watched and Andrews, Sutton or Mikakos presser in well over 2 months.
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Changes to Aged Care reporting between the home the feds and the states to standardise and allow auditing.

Not Vic Specific but it means they are getting updated information now
 

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HODGEYROAD said:
Not that I'll watch the presser today, but hopefully it gives Victorians some sort of hope, wouldn't bet on it though.
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I think we’re all looking for some clarity around how and when.

Cabinet meeting at 11am

 
They are prepping us for staying in stage 4 until the seven day average is around 10 cases a day looks like.

They aren't expecting those kind of numbers for another month

Hopefully we get some good clarity
 
Gralin said:
They are prepping us for staying in stage 4 until the seven day average is around 10 cases a day looks like.

They aren't expecting those kind of numbers for another month

Hopefully we get some good clarity
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Ouch that'll be 10 weeks of stage 4 by that point and 14 consecutive weeks of stage 3 +

That mismanaged hotel quarantine setup and contact tracing really causing lots of pain and suffering on all fronts.
 
HODGEYROAD said:
Ouch that'll be 10 weeks of stage 4 by that point and 14 consecutive weeks of stage 3 +

That mismanaged hotel quarantine setup and contact tracing really causing lots of pain and suffering on all fronts.
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If they link easing of restrictions to numbers we won't know how long until we get there.

We will know the conditions required and they have models to guess but yeah
 
Gralin said:
They are prepping us for staying in stage 4 until the seven day average is around 10 cases a day looks like.

They aren't expecting those kind of numbers for another month

Hopefully we get some good clarity
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Clarity - Dan doesn't exactly specialise in clarity
 
From the outside looking in I just feel awful for everyone

politically it’s a nightmare
For those living there it’s a nightmare
Economy is suffering
Elderly are unnecessarily dying
And Morrison is making a cubby house for his tween

the only one winning atm is Rona
 
Off The Couch said:
From the outside looking in I just feel awful for everyone

politically it’s a nightmare
For those living there it’s a nightmare
Economy is suffering
Elderly are unnecessarily dying
And Morrison is making a cubby house for his tween

the only one winning atm is Rona
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I'm sure Morrison can make a cubby house for his tween - I guess they are in Canberra or NSW!!
 
The Ruby Princess is easily the greatest debacle in virus management in Australia - 28 people died before the outbreak was completely closed.

To put that in perspective if the Ruby Princess continued to dock every single week in Sydney that would now be up to a total of 672 deaths.

In contrast Dan is doing a super job with hotel quarantine - just two hotel outbreaks - just a mere 666 deaths so far - neither outbreak contained yet.
 

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MightyHawks said:
The Ruby Princess is easily the greatest debacle in virus management in Australia - 28 people died before the outbreak was completely closed.

To put that in perspective if the Ruby Princess continued to dock every single week in Sydney that would now be up to a total of 672 deaths.

In contrast Dan is doing a super job with hotel quarantine - just two hotel outbreaks - just a mere 666 deaths so far - neither outbreak contained yet.
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Yes - Dan is responsible for casualisation and infected workers moving between federally controlled nursing homes.
 
Off The Couch said:
Yes - Dan is responsible for casualisation and infected workers moving between federally controlled nursing homes.
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The key difference between the numbers of the Ruby Princess and the Hotel Quarantine is that:
While Ruby Princess started with a much much larger number of infected people, the problem was contained quickly and efficiently.

Victoria had months to get their systems in place and didn't.

Public communication was poor - how many days did it take before it was publicly announced that there had been an outbreak in the hotels?
Contact tracing team didn't have a proper IT system set up until very recently
Some people who had the virus linked the hotel outbreak kept not following DHHS directives

For some reason the Victorian government doesn't like to tell you about outbreaks until they are reasonably large. Compare that to NSW and QLD who tell you all the places that if you've been to recently at particular times you should get a test.

Rydges outbreak was May 25 I think, next Victorian death was June 24 and then two on July 6, so ignoring the actual stuff up at Rydges if they had:
1. Fixed the systems so Stamford Plaza didn't happen (they had 3 weeks to do that)
2. Totally contained the Rydges outbreak within a month

then maybe no deaths would have happened linked to Hotel Quarantine at all
 
MightyHawks said:
The key difference between the numbers of the Ruby Princess and the Hotel Quarantine is that:
While Ruby Princess started with a much much larger number of infected people, the problem was contained quickly and efficiently.

Victoria had months to get their systems in place and didn't.

Public communication was poor - how many days did it take before it was publicly announced that there had been an outbreak in the hotels?
Contact tracing team didn't have a proper IT system set up until very recently
Some people who had the virus linked the hotel outbreak kept not following DHHS directives

For some reason the Victorian government doesn't like to tell you about outbreaks until they are reasonably large. Compare that to NSW and QLD who tell you all the places that if you've been to recently at particular times you should get a test.

Rydges outbreak was May 25 I think, next Victorian death was June 24 and then two on July 6, so ignoring the actual stuff up at Rydges if they had:
1. Fixed the systems so Stamford Plaza didn't happen (they had 3 weeks to do that)
2. Totally contained the Rydges outbreak within a month

then maybe no deaths would have happened linked to Hotel Quarantine at all
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The difference is with the ruby Princess they had a passenger list.
 
Gralin said:
The difference is with the ruby Princess they had a passenger list.
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That they did.

But they also managed to trace successfully any of the passengers close contacts over subsequent days.

I'm sure that the Vic Gov had a list of the 6 or 7 security guards and the 1 hotel staff member...
 
MightyHawks said:
That they did.

But they also managed to trace successfully any of the passengers close contacts over subsequent days.

I'm sure that the Vic Gov had a list of the 6 or 7 security guards and the 1 hotel staff member...
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You're missing the point. By the time they knew where the outbreak came from it was already too late.

Ruby Princess still took over a month to get under control and caused NW Tassie to be locked down. Passengers went overseas as well as all over Australia so it wasn't just NSW health dealing with it and they had known first contacts to go and start with.
 
MightyHawks said:
The key difference between the numbers of the Ruby Princess and the Hotel Quarantine is that:
While Ruby Princess started with a much much larger number of infected people, the problem was contained quickly and efficiently.

Victoria had months to get their systems in place and didn't.

Public communication was poor - how many days did it take before it was publicly announced that there had been an outbreak in the hotels?
Contact tracing team didn't have a proper IT system set up until very recently
Some people who had the virus linked the hotel outbreak kept not following DHHS directives

For some reason the Victorian government doesn't like to tell you about outbreaks until they are reasonably large. Compare that to NSW and QLD who tell you all the places that if you've been to recently at particular times you should get a test.

Rydges outbreak was May 25 I think, next Victorian death was June 24 and then two on July 6, so ignoring the actual stuff up at Rydges if they had:
1. Fixed the systems so Stamford Plaza didn't happen (they had 3 weeks to do that)
2. Totally contained the Rydges outbreak within a month

then maybe no deaths would have happened linked to Hotel Quarantine at all
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The ruby princess was contained more effectively because the infected were spread across the states and the world. We’ve no idea what the death rate from the ruby princess fiasco was overseas.

I’m not sure what systems could have been put in place to prevent people going to work at multiple locations as was the case. Once it was in nursing homes that had no infection control in place there was no chance at all of containing the outbreaks and because they are highly susceptible it stands to reason that the deaths continue.

He has made mistakes there’s no doubt about that - there are things that have been done differently but that’s happened In each state. Contrary to what people think I don’t agree that the national cabinet has been a success - if it had then every state would of been on the same plan, using the same resources and working together. As it stands every state is now doing its own thing and confusion reigns

Responsibility also has to be taken by the federal government - what happened to the much vaunted app that we were encouraged to download.

Why didn’t they step up when the first outbreak occurred in Newmarch house and 17 people died - why didn’t directives go out across Australia as to what needed to be done in to prevent outbreaks like that occurring again

I also don’t think enough was done in educating the multicultural hubs - how many messages went out in different languages. How many people didn’t answer the door out of fear Or because they didn’t understand.
How many people continued to go to work because they couldn’t afford to stay home because jobkeeper didn’t go to casuals which was a disastrous decision considering it’s what this country seems to be built on these days

Anyway I don’t live there so it’s easy for me to sit back and offer up opinions without having a clue to how difficult it’s been - just hope that regardless of yesterday’s protest that people continue to go the distance and you come out the other side in a good space
 
Off The Couch said:
The ruby princess was contained more effectively because the infected were spread across the states and the world. We’ve no idea what the death rate from the ruby princess fiasco was overseas.

I’m not sure what systems could have been put in place to prevent people going to work at multiple locations as was the case. Once it was in nursing homes that had no infection control in place there was no chance at all of containing the outbreaks and because they are highly susceptible it stands to reason that the deaths continue.

He has made mistakes there’s no doubt about that - there are things that have been done differently but that’s happened In each state. Contrary to what people think I don’t agree that the national cabinet has been a success - if it had then every state would of been on the same plan, using the same resources and working together. As it stands every state is now doing its own thing and confusion reigns

Responsibility also has to be taken by the federal government - what happened to the much vaunted app that we were encouraged to download.

Why didn’t they step up when the first outbreak occurred in Newmarch house and 17 people died - why didn’t directives go out across Australia as to what needed to be done in to prevent outbreaks like that occurring again

I also don’t think enough was done in educating the multicultural hubs - how many messages went out in different languages. How many people didn’t answer the door out of fear Or because they didn’t understand.
How many people continued to go to work because they couldn’t afford to stay home because jobkeeper didn’t go to casuals which was a disastrous decision considering it’s what this country seems to be built on these days

Anyway I don’t live there so it’s easy for me to sit back and offer up opinions without having a clue to how difficult it’s been - just hope that regardless of yesterday’s protest that people continue to go the distance and you come out the other side in a good space
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I agree that the Prime Minister could have done better with the App and with Aged Care, but that was in NSW too - IIRC a number of people from the Ruby Princess I think went home to an aged care home didn't they?

But the problem we have is because we let it in through the poorly run hotel system and then didn't contain it from the 6 security guards and 1 hotel staff member. They really could have done better to contain it in May/June

NSW and QLD have handled things very differently to Victoria, it's not even remotely comparable. This doesn't mean that NSW or QLD will eventually lose control of the virus, but they are clearly more organised than Victoria.
 
Looks like one of the most promising vaccine the astrazenica/oxford one has serious problems.

Trial paused when one patient developed transverse myelitis,

Will this lead to a rethink in victoria? If no safe vaccines are available= how long can we lock down for?
 
therubbernub said:
Looks like one of the most promising vaccine the astrazenica/oxford one has serious problems.

Trial paused when one patient developed transverse myelitis,

Will this lead to a rethink in victoria? If no safe vaccines are available= how long can we lock down for?
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We are locked down to get community transmission under control.

Nothing to do with a vaccine.
 
Abasi said:
We are locked down to get community transmission under control.

Nothing to do with a vaccine.
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Get it under control and then what?
Get it down to zero like NZ did ?
And then??
Argue furiously about why it came back?

Many smarter people than you or I have admitted that an infectious virus like this is impossible to eliminate
 
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