Racing Cox Plate

[Viva la Mattner]

That $3.80 from yesterday is looking an absolute spoil. Just needs to win now...

The $8 about when Paris first spruiked it to us was better (May have been $13 actually)

 

[Veer Right]

I see TAB has some Cox Plate head to Heads

Shark $1.80 V Danceteria $2
MJ $1.80 V Castle $2
Wand $1.85 V Good Hope $1.95

Let me know if you find a Very Elegant head to head somewhere.

 

[Gavin Excell]

Let me know if you find a Very Elegant head to head somewhere.

To support or bat against?

 

[Viva la Mattner]

Same race multi presents some value

 

[Veer Right]

To support or bat against?

support. I would love her vs Avi.

 

[Viva la Mattner]

As does this one with LG not winning

 

[Temploar]

Dafuq??

Form behind Magical and beat home Anthony van Dyke last start
He’s a real live winning chance

You're correct mate, sorry. I worded my post wrong. I meant that "I" as an individual would not have bothered with choosing that head to head, as I had limited knowledge on the international form.

Yeah it's a live winning chance. I should have worded my post correctly.

 

[FallingLiefs]

I think i have it

LG
MW/CV/TAS
Kluger/AVI/MJ

 

[iluvparis]

The $8 about when Paris first spruiked it to us was better (May have been $13 actually)

$11s when I posted and was $9 that night

 

[HeathySure]

Same race multi presents some value

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mugs bet. Box the 1st 4 and it will pay thousands

 

[Temploar]

We're punters.
We'll never truly "get" it.

We'll only get our utmost confidence within ourselves that our selections are correct, only to have our wallets and ego torn down, or on those odd occasions we absolutely bloody nail it and that's what makes it all worth it

 

[rideclutch]

LG
TAS
Kluger
Magic Wand.

Not much changed from previous thoughts. Fave brings consistent form and is tactically versatile so barrier shouldn't be an issue. Most likely winner.

TAS is my speculative pick, just like the horse. New test for him but bred to get the trip easy so I'm not overly concerned. Gate probably consigns him to last in the run which is less ideal.

Kluger is the overs; (although he literally just trimmed up as I'm typing) his price made no sense. His Japanese form is C grade for sure, but that's good enough for our races. 2 starts ago he's 2nd to Winx and he's (was) 2nd outsider in this?

I'm not a huge wrap for Magic Camel as referenced by my earlier trashing of her, but her Tom Melbourne Euro efforts are probably good enough to beat some of these. Maps to get a perfect run and clear Tri/F4 player.

 

[Cuzz09]

Homesman each way

4 5 9 13 exacta and tri

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[iluvparis]

mugs bet. Box the 1st 4 and it will pay thousands

Agree - have to think the actual exotics are going to pay a shitload more than these same race multis will

 

[Temploar]

Does Kluger get a pass simply because he's Japanese and was second to winx once?

I'm not too impressed by him in my own opinion.

Hasn't done anything to make me warrant him over other picks

 

[FallingLiefs]

Does Kluger get a pass simply because he's Japanese and was second to winx once?

I'm not too impressed by him in my own opinion.

Hasn't done anything to make me warrant him over other picks

2nd to Winx is solid. Some of these internationals you have to take on the fact they have proven to travel well. Too often we see inferior horses beat their better credentialed counterparts in Australian conditions. He might improve in Australia, albeit Sydney.

 

[iluvparis]

Does Kluger get a pass simply because he's Japanese and was second to winx once?

I'm not too impressed by him in my own opinion.

Hasn't done anything to make me warrant him over other picks

Anything apart from run second to Winx in a QE and storm home in a Doncaster for 4th? What do you want him to have done?

 

[Viva la Mattner]

MW being smashed now into $9

 

[Jugada]

Punters finally waking up

 

[Jugada]

plays tall 1 what sort of collect have you got riding on the Wand?

 

[Temploar]

Anyone else find those TAB machines a ****ing nuisance to work?

Wanted to box my Quinella in race 1 but I'm totally in another world it seems.
I've got ideas man into Mildred straight up first and second

Either I'm going to be the biggest idiot or a lucky genius

 

[Viva la Mattner]

plays tall 1 what sort of collect have you got riding on the Wand?

Think he got on at $151 ? Would be at least $1500 you’d think

 

[Veer Right]

Does Kluger get a pass simply because he's Japanese and was second to winx once?

I'm not too impressed by him in my own opinion.

Hasn't done anything to make me warrant him over other picks

If Kluger is rated a chance then LG must be the best of good things. A grader against a C grader in Japan.

Kluger at group level

G1 - 3 runs for one second (in Australia) to Winx - weaker G1 compared to Japan/Hong Kong
G2 - 3 runs for one second
G3 - 7 runs for one second two thirds

Regular races - 9 runs for four wins two seconds 1 third

Lys

G1 - 11 runs for two wins five seconds one third
G2 - 4 runs for two seconds, two thirds
G3 - 3 runs for two wins one third

Regular races - 2 runs for one win one second

So since Lys had her two runs as a two year old she has raced at the highest level in Japan and Hong Kong her whole career. She's running at 83.33% to run a place at group level. 72.7% at G1 level to place.

Absolutely no comparison other then "it's a Jap so it must be good to".

 

[Cuzz09]

Still rate this Cox Plate as a cracking run by Adelaide



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[Temploar]

If Kluger is rated a chance then LG must be the best of good things. A grader against a C grader in Japan.

Kluger at group level

G1 - 3 runs for one second (in Australia) to Winx - weaker G1 compared to Japan/Hong Kong
G2 - 3 runs for one second
G3 - 7 runs for one second two thirds

Regular races - 9 runs for four wins two seconds 1 third

Lys

G1 - 11 runs for two wins five seconds one third
G2 - 4 runs for two seconds, two thirds
G3 - 3 runs for two wins one third

Regular races - 2 runs for one win one second

So since Lys had her two runs as a two year old she has raced at the highest level in Japan and Hong Kong her whole career. She's running at 83.33% to run a place at group level. 72.7% at G1 level to place.

Absolutely no comparison other then "it's a Jap so it must be good to".

And I'm prepared to look like an absolute fool if he wins the Cox Plate too, but Kluger is a group 2 horse and nothing else.

Happy clapper finished second to winx. G2 horse. Youngstar, G2? Horse, Ventura Storm, G2 Horse, Le Romain (is that even a group horse?)... Even Foxplay gave winx a fright (although Bowman's fault)

I know we all love winx but the history will always show she beat up on G2 horses a lot. There's at least 7 horses in this Cox Plate field better than Kluger.

But, maybe Kluger will prove me wrong? Who knows. I would like to see it.