Cricket Discussion - Part 1

[GranFormaggi]

I remembered Waugh did it a lot after VVS and Ponting and Clarke rarely did. I reckon its the no Warne and McGrath effect to go with the other stuff mentioned in that article about short break to tests. You knew as a skipper Warne and McGrath were good for another 60 overs after a follow on.

Indeed they were handy weapons.

 

[GranFormaggi]

Ok so let me get these post VVS effect follow on / non follow on stats stats right

Waugh 7 opportunities to enforce the follow on, did enforce it 7 times, for 7 wins.

Gilchrist 2 opportunities to enforce the follow on, did enforce it 0 times .
2 times didn't enforce it he won 1st Test and 3rd Test of 2004-05 series in India - he remembered VVS

Ponting 13 opportunities to enforce the follow on did enforce it 4 times for 3 wins and 1 draw but rain
9 times didn't enforce it he won

Clarke 5 opportunities to enforce the follow on did enforce it 1 time for 1 win
4 times didn't enforce it he won

Smith 6 opportunities to enforce the follow on did enforce it 1 time for 1 win
4 times didn't enforce it he won + tonight's non enforcement

So excuse any sloppy maths....I am doing this on the bus...33 opportunities but enforced only 13 times?

 

[mic59]

SA had a glimmer when the 5th QLD wicket fell at 203 but 90 has been added since then with no loss. QLD are still 192 runs behind but unless they collapse the innings will last till tea at least and SA may not have much of a lead on the first innings. Or maybe none at all. Leaving very little time for two innings to be completed.

 

[1954]

An Aussie lead of anything over 350 should be enough to win this test.

 

[Grave Danger]

Aussies 7/105, with a lead of 320. Probably already enough, but England never seem to be able to keep the foot on the throat for long enough, so the tail will probably add another 150...

 

[Greasyrhys]

Guess the Deadbacks will get a draw, always seems to be one Test prospect to halt their progress, in this instance Burns.

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

Did anyone see Anderson crash into the stumps trying to take the catch? Did he hurt himself or just a big rip in his dacks?

 

[raptalia]

Starc to Cook with the GEOF MOTLEY RACE proudly displayed in the background. The vision is beamed back to the UK, how sweet it is and how long before the SMA cover the sign up? Maybe we should look at a Power logo on the race?

 

[mic59]

Does anyone else think the bonus point system in the Sheffield Shield should be overhauled? Looking at the scores at 100 overs(when bonus points stop) Qld were 5/281 and SA would have been around 8/350. They were 8/323 at 94.5 So QLD had 1 bowling bonus point(.5 for the 5th wicket and .5 for the 7th) and SA had .5 of a bowling point for the 5th wicket. QLD got .81 batting point (.01 for every run above 200) and although SA scored about 350 by 100 overs they only had .69 of a point extra. I feel a bit more reward for quicker scoring should be in place.

 

[mic59]

With QLD declaring 96 behind and with around four sessions left they probably have the only chance to win now. It's difficult for Travis Head to judge when he can declare safely and still have time to bowl QLD out, and he would have to hope for them to collapse. Whereas QLD can hope for two things, a collapse by SA or a misjudgment by Travis Head and an early declaration.

 

[Greasyrhys]

The Aussies need wickets ASAP!!!

 

[LFC2010]

The Aussies need wickets ASAP!!!

no they don't, a win will just paper over the cracks in the batting line up.
They hardly ever change winning teams.

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

Smith loses 2 reviews in about 5 balls. That's it for this innings.

These drop in pitches are bouncing more than old natural AO pitch.

 

[mic59]

Had a look at the viewers verdict on live.cricket.com.au. voting is closed and 74% are for an Australian win, 15% for an English win and 11% for a draw. The 11% for a draw seems pretty ridiculous as the weather is good and even when it rained it did not mean much play was lost. The England win percentage could be because the voting closed when they were none down.

 

[1954]

Had a look at the viewers verdict on live.cricket.com.au. voting is closed and 74% are for an Australian win, 15% for an English win and 11% for a draw. The 11% for a draw seems pretty ridiculous as the weather is good and even when it rained it did not mean much play was lost. The England win percentage could be because the voting closed when they were none down.

Agreed, there will definitely be a result in this game, a draw is no chance.
At this stage I reckon the percentage is no more than about 60 - 40 The Aussies way, and if they don't get Root out tonight it will get closer to 50-50.

 

[mic59]

Agreed, there will definitely be a result in this game, a draw is no chance.
At this stage I reckon the percentage is no more than about 60 - 40 The Aussies way, and if they don't get Root out tonight it will get closer to 50-50.

You may be right about the percentage now, but I don't think things could swing much in Englands' favour by the end of the day. England bowled a bit over 30 more overs to Australia today, Australia have bowled 54 now. There will be less than 10 overs to bowl today, the only noticeable swing today could be towards Australia if they get a wicket. England may score 20 more runs or so at the most which is neither here nor there.

 

[Greasyrhys]

Pretty poor to have not taken any wickets this session, could be history in the making for the Poms at this rate

 

[mic59]

Pretty poor to have not taken any wickets this session, could be history in the making for the Poms at this rate

So you're the person to put the commentators'curse on England. Although if it was Root then I'd be giving them no chance now.

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

What a great day of test cricket. That last sesion was classic battle of bat in ball in Test cricket. Great innings by Root so far to put the game in the balance. Australia would still be favourites but the first 16 overs tomorrow before the new ball might determine the game. If Woakes can go the tonk and can put on 50 without losing a wicket then the Poms might get up.

Root will be the key. If he doubles his score I think the Poms win.

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

Crowd of 28,443 today/tonight takes test aggregate to 179,049. It beats the 172,361 for the 1932-33 Bodyline test. That now places it as the 3rd biggest test crowd in Australia outside of the MCG Tests. Below is the list of the 10 highest attended Tests at the SCG. Looks like that Bodyline test was the biggest outside the MCG until 1958-59.

I reckon more than 16,210 will turn up tomorrow and beat Sydney's highest figure, and if the poms bat well in the first session more than 21,000 should rock up and break the 200,000 barrier.

Given the first pick ball test v NZ in 3 days drew 123.7k, and last year v SAF 125.9k attended in 4 days which was the two biggest ever non Ashes test attendance at AO, you can bet your bottom dollar that the day night test at AO will be locked in for a decade. And you can bet NSWCA and SCG Trust will be asking the NSW government for some funds to upgrade parts of the SCG to compete with AO given the government have committed up to $2.5bill to knockdown and rebuild 3 stadiums - Paramatta (already started), Olympic (2020) and the SFS (2019) next to the SCG.

Attendance Opponent Series
195,253 England 1946-47
181,053 India.... 2003-04
180,190 England 1950-51
179,004 England 2010-11
178,027 England 1974-75
174,357 England 2002-03
172,848 England 1958-59
170,168 England 2006-07
170,109 England 1928-29
166,626 England 1962-63

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

The Poms are up against history. They have never made 354 runs in the 4th innings to win a test. They have had 3 scores between 300 and 332 to win a test, the last in 2001 made 4/315 against the Aussies at Headingly when Waugh was injured, Gilly declared on overnight score and Butcher made a great ton 170 odd not out. Root will probably have to make a similar score for them to win here.

They have made more to draw including the famous 1938/39 when they had to stop the game at the end of day 10 as the boat back to England left the next morning and were 5/654 chasing 696. They have made a couple of other scores over 350 to draw a test, and over a dozen scores of 350 but lost.

The other thing going against them is only twice has a side that did not enforce the follow on have lost. SAF in 1950 in SAF against Australia, game was rain affected, and in 2000 that dodgy 0/0 declarations by England and SAF to get a result after days 2 ,3 and 4 were washed out with rain. Hanse Cronje was involved in a betting scandal in this and that's why he talked England into declaring at lunch time, where he declared both SAF's innings and the poms their 1st at lunch time break.

 

[1954]

I have a feeling the poms are going to get the runs, the key of course will be Root, but records are made to be broken.

Ordinary captaincy by both camps though, Root's decision to bowl after winning the toss copped plenty of criticism, but Smith not enforcing the follow on wasn't any better, and according to reports he didn't consult his bowlers before making that decision, which was baffling given the way the ball was moving around at the time.

The above aside, apart from a couple of batsmen in each team, ( specifically the two captains ) both countries have brittle batting line ups.

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

I have a feeling the poms are going to get the runs, the key of course will be Root, but records are made to be broken.

Ordinary captaincy by both camps though, Root's decision to bowl after winning the toss copped plenty of criticism, but Smith not enforcing the follow on wasn't any better, and according to reports he didn't consult his bowlers before making that decision, which was baffling given the way the ball was moving around at the time.

The above aside, apart from a couple of batsmen in each team, ( specifically the two captains ) both countries have brittle batting line ups.

Root is the key, but are the rest good enough to hold out Starc, Hazelwood and Cummins?? The new ball will be taken after 18 overs, so the new ball will be about 45 overs old at the dinner break. That will play a key part as well.

 

[mic59]

NSW 4 wickets from an innings defeat to Tasmania. Maybe they are better than we gave them credit for when they beat us at AO? SA 199 ahead of QLD on the last day. Still not save if there is a collapse. Even if the last 8 wickets add 100 QLD would still have a good show of chasing down 300 in less than two sessions. It would need some pretty aggressive batting from Burns and Pierson and a few others but it could happen.

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

NSW 4 wickets from an innings defeat to Tasmania. Maybe they are better than we gave them credit for when they beat us at AO? SA 199 ahead of QLD on the last day. Still not save if there is a collapse. Even if the last 8 wickets add 100 QLD would still have a good show of chasing down 300 in less than two sessions. It would need some pretty aggressive batting from Burns and Pierson and a few others but it could happen.

Put Cummins, Hazelwood, Starc, Smith and Warner in any line up and they are a 500 run better side over 4 innings. And Lyon probably makes it 600 runs.