Cricket Thread: Aus vs Bangladesh test series... just 4 months away

[Vader]

I actually get where you are coming from but it's a whole lot of if and buts. Smith could have gotten out for a goldie in Adelaide and the discussion is moot. Unfortunately, when you look at it in this regard, two of Travis' centuries were game winners when the series was on so even if Smith would have gotten a ton, it would have paled in comparison to the great man getting his from position number 1.

Still if you think Heads batting is good on the pitch, I saw his wife in the stands, nothing he has done this series adds up anywhere close to how he is batting there.

Agree it's largely hypothetical, based on what he could have done, rather than what he has actually done.

However, the fact that the poms haven't looked like getting him out all series, resulting in him having easily the highest average of any batsman in the Ashes, supports the hypothesis.

 

[Vader]

Mark Waugh scored more than 150 only once in test cricket.

Head has done it 7 times.

But neither have got close to Jason Gillespie's highest score... and he'll never let either of them forget about it!

 

[Mostyn]

Agree it's largely hypothetical, based on what he could have done, rather than what he has actually done.

However, the fact that the poms haven't looked like getting him out all series, resulting in him having easily the highest average of any batsman in the Ashes, supports the hypothesis.

It's an interesting thought experiment - except we're arguing between what someone did and what someone COULD have done. Ultimately, it's pretty obvious.

 

[Eagleboy2011]

Where have we been hiding Webster? Hope he gets to 100.

 

[Vader]

Can someone explain to me why Green has such a huge discrepancy between his Shield & Test records?

His Shield record is exceptional. His batting average is head and shoulders above his peers, which is why people rave about his "potential". In contrast, his Test record is diabolical.

Will he ever make it as a Test player, or will he become another Graham Hick - a batsman with an amazing 1st Class record, but who failed miserably at Test level?

 

[Vader]

Where have we been hiding Webster? Hope he gets to 100.

We've been playing Cam Green instead of him.

 

[Eagleboy2011]

Can someone explain to me why Green has such a huge discrepancy between his Shield & Test records?

His Shield record is exceptional. His batting average is head and shoulders above his peers, which is why people rave about his "potential". In contrast, his Test record is diabolical.

Will he ever make it as a Test player, or will he become another Graham Hick - a batsman with an amazing 1st Class record, but who failed miserably at Test level?

Green always appears to score heavily against the Rebacks. He's no dud, but he always appears in the "Test Potential" list.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Where have we been hiding Webster? Hope he gets to 100.

Hopefully the selectors are learning something... but I doubt it.

He could have been Vader 's man of the series.

 

[Eagleboy2011]

At least Boland won't be too tired to bowl.

Good for Webster's average as well.

 

[Vader]

Green always appears to score heavily against the Rebacks. He's no dud, but he always appears in the "Test Potential" list.

His Shield record is exceptional. Unfortunately he hasn't been able to translate that to Test level. The big question is why?

 

[Vader]

One English player who has enhanced their reputation is Josh Tongue. He's impressed me in all 3 Tests he's played.

He's picked up Steve Smith 4x in those 3 Tests, and apparently has claimed his wicket 6x in total. Smith has scored plenty of runs against him, so we're not talking bunny status - like McGrath/Atherton or Broad/Warner or Starc/Stokes - but he does have a notably good record against Smudge.

 

[Peter Doherty]

Statistically over he's career he's close to the mark, 32 with the bat, 36 with the ball.

8 tests in '25 he averaged 21 with the bat and 52 with the ball.

 

[StonesThrow]

Agree it's largely hypothetical, based on what he could have done, rather than what he has actually done.

However, the fact that the poms haven't looked like getting him out all series, resulting in him having easily the highest average of any batsman in the Ashes, supports the hypothesis.

Haven't looked like getting him out? He's looked shaky at times (like everyone) and they've got him out 4 times.

You realise his not outs inflate his average?

 

[Vader]

Kayo commentators going overboard this morning, explaining about Fox Ray (which is of limited interest to most viewers anyway). AJ just gave the 3rd explanation of it in the last hour. Enough already!

 

[Vader]

Haven't looked like getting him out? He's looked shaky at times (like everyone) and they've got him out 4 times.

You realise his not outs inflate his average?

I do... though his not outs generally have been lower scores, so not inflating it significantly. He's averaging 68.5 for the series, marginally better than Head's 66.7. No other player in the series has averaged more than 50, so these 2 are head and shoulders above the rest, and very closely matched - more closely than most people (including most of BF apparently) appreciate.

 

[StonesThrow]

I do... though his not outs generally have been lower scores, so not inflating it significantly. He's averaging 68.5 for the series, marginally better than Head's 66.7. No other player in the series has averaged more than 50, so these 2 are head and shoulders above the rest, and very closely matched - more closely than most people (including most of BF apparently) appreciate.

Unless my understanding is incorrect, not outs reduce the denominator so 3 of them would significantly increase the average no matter what he was on. Take them away and give him his 1st innings score and it would be a lot lower.

I don't think you'll find many people who agree that they are closely matched this series.

It's been Head.....Root, Smith, Carey...who cares at this point

 

[Peter Doherty]

Head has 200 more runs than Root and almost double the amount of Brook, who has 3rd most runs.

(Currently)

 

[Vader]

Cam Green having a pearler of a Test. Now he's dived across for a catch, only to grass it - the ball was going straight to Smith, who would have taken a regulation catch if Green had stayed out of his way.

 

[FR0GGY]

Bloody hell cam, you're making it hard to keep liking you.

 

[StonesThrow]

Cam Green having a pearler of a Test. Now he's dived across for a catch, only to grass it - the ball was going straight to Smith, who would have taken a regulation catch if Green had stayed out of his way.

Horrible test series. Dived in front of the best hands in international cricket

 

[FR0GGY]

Kayo commentators going overboard this morning, explaining about Fox Ray (which is of limited interest to most viewers anyway). AJ just gave the 3rd explanation of it in the last hour. Enough already!

I don't really understand the point of it for batting, its always seems a similar split for weight.
Bowling is a bit moire interesting.

 

[FR0GGY]

Horrible test series. Dived in front of the best hands in international cricket

and captain

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Horrible test series. Dived in front of the best hands in international cricket

He's mentally cooked.

Could tell he wasn't his normal self in the field af the Adelaide Test.

 

[FR0GGY]

Another horrible review

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Duckett is the only opener to fail to make a 50 for the series.

Surely England stick to using him for the white ball games.