Current Claremont Murders - The Bunker

[theartofwar]

This kook's meltdowns are becoming more and more frequent.

Must be the extra pressure from the renewed interest yesterday.

 

[Happy Freo]

This kook's meltdowns are becoming more and more frequent.

Must be the extra pressure from the renewed interest yesterday.

Speak of the Devil. There he is. Knew he would’nt be creeping too far away in the shadows.

 

[Kurve]

This kook's meltdowns are becoming more and more frequent.

Must be the extra pressure from the renewed interest yesterday.

Cutler thread Freo suggested it was a good day yesterday to have a look around Cottesloe for 'fixated persons'. I have very good intel there was in fact a very strange looking individual creeping around the corner there in disguise, taking pictures of ordinary people walking their dogs.

I hope it wasn't Freo because while this rank amateur was taking what he thought were covert pics, the cops and every journalist at the site were onto it and were taking their own.

 

[one eyed spy]

It could happen ie hair fibres etc but you have to be careful about not getting lost in transfer ie can a reasonable person infer other forms of transfer either through
1. close contact - Murdoch tried to use this as the reason his DNA was on the back of Lees jacket
2. Cigarette butt- can it be inferred that someone else transferred these
3. Hair fibres from hairbrush

The above is a little scary but ultimately the police still need to physically place the person at an appropriate time to the event. I could visit someones place and never go back and 2-3 weeks later an accident happens.

The onus is on them to prove I returned

Thats the problem though in WA at least. You cant trust police to not throw a case forward regardless of what the evidence says as a whole and you put almost any DNA evidence to a jury and your as good as done. They just dont get it. Try to argue it was contact DNA or the like found in a place you were never at and you may as well be speaking in tongues.

I was actually picturing something along the lines of a couple of heavy dudes forcing an innocent person to spit in a jar then spraying his DNA all over a victim or a crime scene or something.
Or creating a multi person DNA spray to contaminate anything they may touch whilst they commit a crime, just to make it impossible to ever differentiate one profile from another.

You wouldnt even need a scapegoat/patsy either, just a few of your mates adding their DNA to a mix would be enough to not be able to determine the exact contributors with any certainty. Get a 5 person mix and results would be totally worthless I'd assume?
Imagine it would really throw a spanner in the works as far as DNA goes if every crook starts getting around with DNA mixes in their arsenal. Or am I simplifying this too much perhaps?

 

[petedavo]

So nobody here knows who the ex SAS commando and / or retired military intelligence analyst Phantom62 is?

Vietnam veterans and SAS commandos have a reputation for never talking much about their service. Combine the two and you'd probably never be told anything much. Service records in the Australian archives are embargoed from that time and will be for another 20 odd years yet.
It's therefore easy to get a lopsided view of that era, of noble soldiers, hard done by, and suffering PTSD etc. It's something I was used to, being a kid in that era and my mum's cousin coming back missing a leg, showing us a news clipping of a then opposition politician named John Tonkin going into bat for him against the Army so that he could stay in rather than be discharged to a life as an invalid. And yes Jim, was that typical hard attitude a' hole who suffered PTSD and stayed in the Army to become the meanest and angriest RSM with a prosthetic leg that ever lived. He eventually told us a few years before dying of old age how he lost his leg to an RPG.
But it wasn't till I started courting my now wife that I learnt a different view of lives of soldiers in Vietnam. Her family used to get phone calls at night from an uncle of hers that lived in Exmouth, who used to get on the turps and ring his siblings and abuse them. I asked her step dad and her aunty who he was and they just said he was uncle Fred and he did this all the time. He had a traffic accident whilst he was in the Army in 1975 and the windscreen glass went in his eyes and blinded him. Some years after we got married, her parents divorced and my mother-in-law came to stay with us. Then Fred started ringing to abuse his sister. Anyhow, almost always my wife was on shift at work and my mother-in-law was out, so I answered his calls. Anyways how do you deal with a drunk belligerent uncle-in-law? I figured after listening to his complaining about his brothers, sisters, ex-wife and estranged kids, it'd be best to deflect his attention to talking about himself.
Let me cut a long winded story story here, and skip to the chase.
Fred was in the Provost Corps. Although based at Holsworthy and telling his family he was only on bivouac when he was away, he was actually in a group of very special military policeman. You might've seen movies about Vietnam some of which dealt with POWs and how they were treated by the NVA. I remember 1 such movie and it also dealt with an issue of some prisoners turning their loyalties and working with the NVA, I think it was called Missing in Action or something. This is where Fred comes in - he told me that it was worse than even the movies portrayed. Some weren't just working in the camps, some were participating in NVA operations, doing intelligence work, running guns or drugs and actually killing. I won't go into the whole story that Fred told about how his unit got the intelligence, but let's just say that he reamed off names, dates and locations. His unit was tasked with retrieval and prosecution, or elimination of the Australian criminals that they identified. The provosts in Vietnam dealt with AWOLs and miscreants on our bases, but Fred's unit dealt with those who were not. So he'd fly out from Australia and was parachuted where intelligence suggested his target was operating. His task then was to capture the target and return him to the nearest allied base for evacuation back to Australia for detention or failing that eliminate the target. Fred did say that he usually had to sit in a tree for a few days before he got his man, and not all were happy to see him and a few firefights ensured, and on one occasion when escorting a prisoner that he had wounded in one such firefight, they were both fired upon when trying to enter an American base, however when he finally got on the base with his prisoner and told the story of the weeks spent on the man hunt, he was lauded as some sort of hero come Kadaitcha man, as his prisoner was notorious as one of the worst NVA turned POWs that was a real thorn in the side to the safety of those American troops at that base, and apparently might of been responsible for a number of deaths.
Anyhow back to Fred and his drunken phone calls. He had a great memory for a slush, names, dates, facts and figures. He never told anyone apparently. It was all secret stuff he said. I asked him if they gave him a medal, but that set him off. He hated the thought of medals, then told me how when Bob Hawke was visiting H.Holt in Exmouth one year "some brass nut rang him and said they wanted him to receive a gong from Bob, and I told him where he could shove that gong into the Prime Minister!" Old Fred was an eye opener into a whole different bunch of Vietnam veterans. Some where drug traffickers, pimps, gun runners, rapists, murderers and real nasty evil bastards. Not all, mind you, but don't kid yourself that everyone's story is of noble soldiers who were hard done by circumstance. There are records, names, dates and they know who did what to who, I kid you not, in some very secretive files, if not the memories of special units of the military police.

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[Happy Freo]

Police know who he is? There is going to be broader investigation after this I can see it.

“Some where drug traffickers, pimps, gun runners, rapists, murderers and real nasty evil bastards. Not all, mind you, but don't kid yourself that everyone's story is of noble soldiers who were hard done by circumstance. There are records, names, dates and they know who did what to who, I kid you not, in some very secretive files, if not the memories of special units of the military police”

Many people know who it is and who their associates are.

 

[sprockets]

“Some where drug traffickers, pimps, gun runners, rapists, murderers and real nasty evil bastards. Not all, mind you, but don't kid yourself that everyone's story is of noble soldiers who were hard done by circumstance. There are records, names, dates and they know who did what to who, I kid you not, in some very secretive files, if not the memories of special units of the military police”

Many people know who it is and who their associates are.

You've claimed previously in here to knowing who P62 is, so why keep asking if anyone knows him?

I don't remember ever reading that he was in the SAS, is that a 'new one' or did I just miss that bit?

 

[GreyCrow]

Thats the problem though in WA at least. You cant trust police to not throw a case forward regardless of what the evidence says as a whole and you put almost any DNA evidence to a jury and your as good as done. They just dont get it. Try to argue it was contact DNA or the like found in a place you were never at and you may as well be speaking in tongues.

I was actually picturing something along the lines of a couple of heavy dudes forcing an innocent person to spit in a jar then spraying his DNA all over a victim or a crime scene or something.
Or creating a multi person DNA spray to contaminate anything they may touch whilst they commit a crime, just to make it impossible to ever differentiate one profile from another.

You wouldnt even need a scapegoat/patsy either, just a few of your mates adding their DNA to a mix would be enough to not be able to determine the exact contributors with any certainty. Get a 5 person mix and results would be totally worthless I'd assume?
Imagine it would really throw a spanner in the works as far as DNA goes if every crook starts getting around with DNA mixes in their arsenal. Or am I simplifying this too much perhaps?

Ahh I see. Yes overload the scene rather than try and clean it. Feasible

I do agree on your juries and lazy dna

 

[Kurve]

Thats the problem though in WA at least. You cant trust police to not throw a case forward regardless of what the evidence says as a whole and you put almost any DNA evidence to a jury and your as good as done. They just dont get it. Try to argue it was contact DNA or the like found in a place you were never at and you may as well be speaking in tongues.

I was actually picturing something along the lines of a couple of heavy dudes forcing an innocent person to spit in a jar then spraying his DNA all over a victim or a crime scene or something.
Or creating a multi person DNA spray to contaminate anything they may touch whilst they commit a crime, just to make it impossible to ever differentiate one profile from another.

You wouldnt even need a scapegoat/patsy either, just a few of your mates adding their DNA to a mix would be enough to not be able to determine the exact contributors with any certainty. Get a 5 person mix and results would be totally worthless I'd assume?
Imagine it would really throw a spanner in the works as far as DNA goes if every crook starts getting around with DNA mixes in their arsenal. Or am I simplifying this too much perhaps?

Just curious, do you know if when DNA is used as evidence in for example, a murder trial and the accused DNA is identified if the defence is made aware of how many other DNA contributors were detected and if they were found? Who they are etc.?

I'm thinking of someone out clubbing all night, in and out of the bathrooms, brushing up against people and murdered on the way home. There could be DNA from several people on the body and clothing.

 

[GreyCrow]

Just curious, do you know if when DNA is used as evidence in for example, a murder trial and the accused DNA is identified if the defence is made aware of how many other DNA contributors were detected and if they were found? Who they are etc.?

I'm thinking of someone out clubbing all night, in and out of the bathrooms, brushing up against people and murdered on the way home. There could be DNA from several people on the body and clothing.

I'm not sure because the Australian system seems to be included rather than excluded.

ie a person is identified as a suspect and DNA is searched on that suspect alone.

In the UK everybodys DNA is excluded one by one on the basis they cant have committed the crime based on alibi , age, sex (sometimes) etc etc

 

[sprockets]

I think having a mix of 5 or so people's DNA would be sus. A mix of 5 people would be strange but that same mix all over the place would be almost impossible, unless it was planted. Forensics would be looking for individual DNA and only find one person's there, not all five individually.

 

[Sorbet Bliss]

All this talk of Phibes, Phantom62, DM's book and ham radios, I'm reminded of this rather intriguing post by Phibes taken from the readers comment section regarding an article about Deb Marshall's Lost in the Devils Garden book launch, which is no longer available for public viewing.



"They left out an electronic diagram that I drew by hand,.........It was only a radio circuit diagram. Nothing sinister"

Based on above comment I'm also reminded of this article from the "Post Newspaper" regarding hand drawn diagrams found in a wall cavity of a government road building (across from Karrakata cemetery) Published 13 years later.



Using Phibes words " radio circuit diagram" I did a search and came across something that closely resembles the government road diagram imo

Both have what looks like some kind of wiring armature disc, the colours of the wires appear to be the same and there's an ear piece.

There's so many coincidences that encompass this case is this another one?

*Project ultra image used only as an example.

 

[Kurve]

"They left out an electronic diagram that I drew by hand,.........It was only a radio circuit diagram. Nothing sinister"

Peak sinister ...

 

[Happy Freo]

You've claimed previously in here to knowing who P62 is, so why keep asking if anyone knows him?

I don't remember ever reading that he was in the SAS, is that a 'new one' or did I just miss that bit?

Was actually answering the question posed by Melsy.

A lot of people know him.

And his associates - male and female.

It’s not a question - it’s a statement.

Yes - P74 is apparenty ex SAS.

Try harder.

 

[theartofwar]

Was actually answering the question posed by Melsy

It’s not a question - it’s a statement.

Try harder.

So nobody here knows who the ex SAS commando and / or retired military intelligence analyst Phantom62 is?

Try eliminating the question mark if it's a statement champ

 

[Happy Freo]

Try eliminating the question mark if it's a statement champ

Different question champ.

Apparently no-one on BF knows the retired military intelligence analyst Phantom62 who posted extensively about the CSK case elsewhere, who Dr Phibes called out as an ex Vietnam vet.

Who according to a brief I’ve heard about from sources is ex SAS.

 

[theartofwar]

Different question champ.

Apparently no-one on BF knows the retired military intelligence analyst Phantom62 who posted extensively about the CSK case elsewhere, who Dr Phibes called out as an ex Vietnam vet.

Who according to a brief I’ve heard about from sources is ex SAS.

Cool man

Seeing as you are only now investigating the Gary Hughes blogs does this mean you are on target to make your first arrest 12 yrs after WAPOL made theirs? Keep up the good work

 

[Happy Freo]

Cool man

Seeing as you are only now investigating the Gary Hughes blogs does this mean you are on target to make your first arrest 12 yrs after WAPOL made theirs? Keep up the good work

Guess that’s up to the relevant authorities to decide what is appropriate and when.

Unsure how SAS or military would react to nefarious activities by one of their own though.

 

[Kurve]

Unsure how SAS would react to nefarious activities by one of their own though.

What is he supposed to have done?

 

[Happy Freo]

What is he supposed to have done?

Nefarious activities. Use a dictionary.

 

[theartofwar]

Unsure how SAS or military would react to nefarious activities by one of their own though.

You said a few months ago when the end was nigh that you did know how they would react.

 

[Happy Freo]

You said a few months ago when the end was nigh that you did know how they would react.

You are confusing me with someone else.

Have read that poster and a few others in earlier and other related threads and heard from sources about this brief.

Being a local things then became very clear.

Perth is a small place after all.

 

[theartofwar]

You are confusing me with someone else.

Have read that poster and a few others in earlier and other related threads and heard from sources about this brief.

Being a local things then became very clear.

Perth is a small place.

Im not confusing you.

Type SAS into the search bar at the top right of the screen and you can reread through all your old posts across this forum.

 

[GreyCrow]

Im not confusing you.

Type SAS into the search bar at the top right of the screen and you can reread through all your old posts across this forum.

Not very smarty is he...oops ?

 

[Happy Freo]

Not very smarty is he...oops ?

Tijuana Cartel was rather good last night.

Seems I was right about you being too piss weak to defend rapists and murderers face to face.

Missed laughing at Royal offspring too.

Village of the damned.