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Saw the term in this article on Neil Craig in The Age. Dunno, just found it amusing. You guys will like the article, plus it has a photo of NC in the state guernsey in 1984 you should've worn for this year's heritage round.

Craig's example
July 6, 2006

Neil Craig's performance at Adelaide shows that great coaches do not have to have been great player, writes Jake Niall.


HERE'S a little-known piece of history about Neil Craig. In late 2002, after Terry Wallace walked out on the eve of round 22, the Western Bulldogs approached the present Adelaide coach to sound him out about his interest in the senior coaching position at Whitten Oval.

Craig had been recommended to Bulldogs president David Smorgon by AFL commissioner and former Crows chairman Bob Hammond, who was well versed in Craig's unique blend of sports science and football nous.

"Bob Hammond suggested we have a talk to him," Smorgon confirmed yesterday. "We got feedback pretty quick that he really wasn't interested in talking."

Craig stayed in Adelaide and bided his time under Gary Ayres, as Peter Rohde took the Bulldogs job in an ill-fated union. The Dogs did not land their own master until Rodney Eade returned from exile two years later.

Smorgon is not sure whether the Bulldogs would have chosen Craig had he put his hand up, but it remains an indictment on a good number of Victorian clubs that, to my knowledge, only one other club — West Coast — seriously considered hiring the man now gaining Guus Hiddink-like mystique in the AFL.

Craig had no profile east of Edenhope and one can imagine the boards of various clubs wondering how supporters would accept an obscure Croweater who had been involved in track cycling.

Invisible outside of SA a few years ago, Craig has grown in stature now that the Crows are the competition colossus, with a stratospheric percentage (171), two defeats by an aggregate of five points and an astonishing average points against of 65 a game.

What is most imposing, in a sense, about Craig's "Crowbots" is that while they are producing super numbers, they are not a super group of players in the vein of Essendon 2000, Brisbane 2001-03 or Hawthorn 1988-89.

The Crows' players are not a quantum leap above the rest and their supremacy is based on a superior system, on highly organised training and playing methods, rather than the outlandish talent that marked the Hawthorn and Brisbane hegemonies.

It's a tribute to the rigorous professionalism of West Coast that the Eagles identified Craig's special qualities and were set to hire him at the end of 2001 when Craig abruptly withdrew from the running, allowing John Worsfold an easy rails run.

Craig is one of the select foursome to have coached at the highest level over the past 40 years without a VFL/AFL pedigree. The others were Col Kinnear (Sydney 1989-91), Allan Miller (South Melbourne 1967-68) and Wayne Brittain (Carlton 2001-02).

One would think that Craig's success would put paid to the ludicrous notion that a coach must have a high media "profile" or have played 150 games of AFL football to coach. Alas, the AFL industry is not yet that clear-sighted, not in Victoria anyway, where the marketing cart is often placed before the football horse.

Already, there is speculation about whether James Hird, Michael Voss and Nathan Buckley will coach. Nothing against these champions, who might well possess the raw material to coach, but history suggests there is little correlation between playing and coaching ability.

The elite NFL coaches, such as Mike Shanahan (Denver) and Bill Belichick (New England) did not play at the top level. They proved their bona fides as coaches, serving long college apprenticeships. Joe Montana does not coach the 49ers.

Even in our game, the bulk of the better coaches have been schooled in the back pocket and Leigh Matthews and Malcolm Blight are exceptions to the indentikit of winning coach.

"Profile" should not be confused with a candidate's media capabilities, which Smorgon considered "a fundamental aspect" of coaching today.

When will the industry, particularly Victorian luddites, recognise that the best coaches might not even be AFL players, much less great league footballers?

"It will take more than one Neil Craig to do it," said coaching elder David Parkin, whose promotion of Brittain foundered on Carlton's collapse. One Craig, though, ought to be enough.
 
Not a bad article..bit over the place for mine.

I think it is NCs sports science background that is helping him

Ric Charlesworth switched from Hockey to Football in assisting the Dockers and implied more code switching can happen. Though it will always be NCs 300 game SANFL career that people will look at first and foremost

I had this fantasy of NC applying for the coach of the Aussie Futbal team :p
 
Ford Fairlane said:
Craig is one of the select foursome to have coached at the highest level over the past 40 years without a VFL/AFL pedigree. The others were Col Kinnear (Sydney 1989-91), Allan Miller (South Melbourne 1967-68) and Wayne Brittain (Carlton 2001-02).

John Todd? Bob Hammond? Gerard Neesham?

And Mick Nunan's VFL/AFL "pedigree" consists of 1 game while on leave from National Service. That was the making of him.

Poor bit of research, and not the best thing I've read from Jake Niall.
 

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kimirocks06 said:
Shows how highly they think of the SANFL doesn't it. A great career both coaching and playing, served him no justice. But meh, its Victoria, and we care not what they think, for we have Craigy and the Crowbots.

I found this an extremely condescending article. Never played football at the highest level? Get Farrked. What playing nearly 300 games in the SANFL doesn't count for anything? Playing State footy is not the highest level? Does it mean if you played a season of VFL back in the seventies or eighties you by definition are a better footballer than someone who played over 10 seasons in the SANFL when it was a relatively strong league?
Whilst the article was supposed to be about the fact that you dont have to be a VFL/AFL champion to make a great coach, the air of smug superiority still drenched the article. A sense of superiority that since the non Victorian teams have entered the league can in no way can be justified.
 
I find it highly amusing the current focus on the Crows being robots and by impliction not as talented as some teams.

We have Roo Goodwin Edwards Burton Hentschel Johncock McLeod etc etc who are supremely talented.

The fact that they are disciplined doesn't make them robots.

I think the players have plenty of licence to make their own decisions out on the field, its just that we are making more and more correct ones.
 
Jars458 said:
We have Roo Goodwin Edwards Burton Hentschel Johncock McLeod etc etc who are supremely talented.

Yes not acknowledging that is patently ridiculous.
 
Jars458 said:
I find it highly amusing the current focus on the Crows being robots and by impliction not as talented as some teams.

We have Roo Goodwin Edwards Burton Hentschel Johncock McLeod etc etc who are supremely talented.

The fact that they are disciplined doesn't make them robots.

I think the players have plenty of licence to make their own decisions out on the field, its just that we are making more and more correct ones.

Same thing for mine footy is easy when you have not got the ball you have to man up and if your skills are better than the others they will rarley see the ball.Sounds easy and it is its just a matter of mind set and PRATICE
 
Jars458 said:
I find it highly amusing the current focus on the Crows being robots and by impliction not as talented as some teams.

We have Roo Goodwin Edwards Burton Hentschel Johncock McLeod etc etc who are supremely talented.

The fact that they are disciplined doesn't make them robots.

I think the players have plenty of licence to make their own decisions out on the field, its just that we are making more and more correct ones.

I personally take the "Crowbots" reference not to indicate a lack of talent (from what I've heard from Niall, that's not something that he'd question) but to suggest that the style of play is programmed and perhaps even boring.

The perception of boring-ness comes largely from the 5 minutes of keepings off against the Pies, and the Richmond game. Once perceptions are there, they are hard to change.
 
marvin said:
John Todd? Bob Hammond? Gerard Neesham?

And Mick Nunan's VFL/AFL "pedigree" consists of 1 game while on leave from National Service. That was the making of him.

Poor bit of research, and not the best thing I've read from Jake Niall.

Bob Hammond was the obvious omission from that list that stuck out to me when I read the paper this morning - I'd forgotten about Todd. IIRC Neesham played a handful of games for Sydney.
I love the way these type of articles on Craig neglect to mention that he captained SA in the 80's and I'd say state football is a "pretty" high level of football:rolleyes:
I'd also rank Craig's playing career high above some current day AFL coaches (Pagan, Connolly, Clarkson, Laidley and Thomas come to mind pretty quickly)
 
Leaping Lindner said:
Bob Hammond was the obvious omission from that list that stuck out to me when I read the paper this morning - I'd forgotten about Todd. IIRC Neesham played a handful of games for Sydney.
I love the way these type of articles on Craig neglect to mention that he captained SA in the 80's and I'd say state football is a "pretty" high level of football:rolleyes:
I'd also rank Craig's playing career high above some current day AFL coaches (Pagan, Connolly, Clarkson, Laidley and Thomas come to mind pretty quickly)

My mistake on Neesham - I'd forgotten how his 9 games with the Swans shaped him so signficantly. :eek:

And sorry to our mates down the road. I forgot Jack Cahill, who amazingly coached 2 AFL clubs without ever playing in the VFL/AFL.
 
marvin said:
My mistake on Neesham - I'd forgotten how his 9 games with the Swans shaped him so signficantly. :eek:

And sorry to our mates down the road. I forgot Jack Cahill, who amazingly coached 2 AFL clubs without ever playing in the VFL/AFL.

Of course. I'd forgotten about Jack as well:o

9 games in the AFL/VFL is a 100 times better than 200 games in the WAFL or SANFL:rolleyes:
 
PerthCrow said:
Not a bad article..bit over the place for mine.

agreed, it's not bad - it's ****ing terrible.

sure it's reverential on one level, but the whole premise is that Craig doesn't come from a footy background. look how well he did, without playing at the highest level.

what bunkum. say what you like, and I was never his biggest fan as a player, but 300+ SANFL games, Captain of SA etc. suggest he knows a thing or two about the game. which the article is trying to suggest he doesn't.

this clown makes it sound like Craig played a season or two for murrimbidgee thirds :thumbsd:
 

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Richard Hinds has written a good article on Craig in today's Sydney Morning Herald which is more respectful of Craig's past than his colleague Jake Niall.

King of the Crowbots

Rather than take up all the space I'll highlight 3 sentences I thought were interesting/better than Niall's acknowledgement of Craig.

But, while other clubs might employ some of the gadgetry and scientific methods used by Craig, none is enjoying similar success. Beyond the fact he inherited an underachieving list boasting such stars as Andrew McLeod, Mark Ricciuto, Simon Goodwin, Brett Burton and Tyson Edwards, is there a secret?

[ Do you guys think this his a fair call? IMO the Crows best 6 for the last decade has been the equivalent of any other clubs best 6. It was the rest of the list that didn't always cut it.]

In that regard, Craig's background provides an obvious advantage. After a distinguished career in the South Australian National Football League in which he played 321 games, Craig worked as a sports scientist at the South Australian Institute of Sport and with the Australian Institute of Sports track cycling program under head coach Charlie Walsh.

[Unlike Niall an appropriate acknowledgement of a wonderful career.]

However, the obsession with Craig's scientific background tends to overshadow an impressive football CV. A tough midfielder, he had the chance to play with Western Bulldogs but decided to stay in Adelaide where his football wages paid for his education.

[Once again putting things into proper perspective.]

I think Adelaide Hawk's comment on Craig on the main board was spot on.
Adelaide Hawk on Craig's career
 
RussellEbertHandball said:
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But, while other clubs might employ some of the gadgetry and scientific methods used by Craig, none is enjoying similar success. Beyond the fact he inherited an underachieving list boasting such stars as Andrew McLeod, Mark Ricciuto, Simon Goodwin, Brett Burton and Tyson Edwards, is there a secret?

[ Do you guys think this his a fair call? IMO the Crows best 6 for the last decade has been the equivalent of any other clubs best 6. It was the rest of the list that didn't always cut it.]

The amazing thing about Neil is that those players who did not use to cut it now are and have become players in their own right.

Hayden Skipworth is the only one of those who can't get back in but the likes of Shirley,Massie,Doughty,Mattner,Perrie,Stevens,Bode and to a lesser extent Rutten and Reilly have all become important regulars in a team that is based on team team team.

Every one knows there role and they do it even the knew players come in and just pick up from where they are expected to be.
 

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