News Crows eye Walker, Jacobs

[Aphrodite]

Do you know what number their 2nd rounder is?

Pick 33 & their 3rd Rnd pick is 50

 

[Sin City]

Pick 33 & their 3rd Rnd pick is 50

They would've been laughed out of the room if they offered their 2nd round pick. Time for them to get serious or go into next season with a D grade ruck division again and be made to look like pricks for committing to Sauce and not getting a deal done.

 

[THE_GUN]

so the saints 1st round is 25 & crows 2nd round is 33 you guys dont think that jacobs will say .. your stuffing me around for 8 places !!

get the deal done , i want to go to the crows

 

[Vader]

Can I ask why Jacobs chose Adelaide over Port. Apart from the fact that it's a shithouse club.

Same opportunities at both clubs? Or does he have connections at the Crows?

Probably because Adelaide approached him and put a very good offer on the table (allegedly $1m for 3 years), while Port have consistently shown no interest in trading for him at all.

Then there's the whole Port vs Adelaide club issue as well, but I really don't want to go there...

 

[Aphrodite]

so the saints 1st round is 25 & crows 2nd round is 33 you guys dont think that jacobs will say .. your stuffing me around for 8 places !!

get the deal done , i want to go to the crows

It's actually 24 & what is your interest in Jacobs when it doesn't concern your pathetic rabble of a club

 

[Sin City]

so the saints 1st round is 25 & crows 2nd round is 33 you guys dont think that jacobs will say .. your stuffing me around for 8 places !!

get the deal done , i want to go to the crows

Have you ever, even once, made an intelligent post on BigFooty?

 

[BACCS]

Have you ever, even once, made an intelligent post on BigFooty?

Have you? Your previous post suggest otherwise. (I am joking, btw) The 2nd rounder is not a joke, and if Carlton want more than that, then I couldn't care less if Jacobs is playing for us next year. FFS, Mitch Clark is worth pick 14 and a 2nd rounder, not Sam Jacobs for goodness sakes.

 

[Sin City]

Have you? Your previous post suggest otherwise. (I am joking, btw) The 2nd rounder is not a joke, and if Carlton want more than that, then I couldn't care less if Jacobs is playing for us next year. FFS, Mitch Clark is worth pick 14 and a 2nd rounder, not Sam Jacobs for goodness sakes.

Great, another bright spark. Mitch Clark is worth a hell of a lot more than that. The 2nd rounder is a joke and I doubt your staff really would've been silly enough to offer it but if they did they would've been laughed at.

 

[parrot]

so the saints 1st round is 25 & crows 2nd round is 33 you guys dont think that jacobs will say .. your stuffing me around for 8 places !!

get the deal done , i want to go to the crows

There's no rush. Looks like the crows have already sidelined themselves with this trade, and we're getting on with dealing with more professional clubs and not wasting anytime on the regional amateurs.

We should do well out of this one. There's a lot of demand. He's a quality ruck. desperate for more opportunity.

 

[parrot]

Probably because Adelaide approached him and put a very good offer on the table (allegedly $1m for 3 years), while Port have consistently shown no interest in trading for him at all.

Then there's the whole Port vs Adelaide club issue as well, but I really don't want to go there...

Would be funny if port trumps the sa crows for Sammy. Anyway, I think this trade is just too big/complex for the sa clubs. Out of their depth.

 

[THE_GUN]

Have you ever, even once, made an intelligent post on BigFooty?

so your stuck for words then !!

 

[Vader]

Great, another bright spark. Mitch Clark is worth a hell of a lot more than that. The 2nd rounder is a joke and I doubt your staff really would've been silly enough to offer it but if they did they would've been laughed at.

Funny.. the guys running the Trade Week chat thing on the AFL website were asked about his value several times. They all responded with the same answer:

Steve Lavell: Second-round pick, Ruffy. Would be third-round if he wasn't a ruckman.

They're also reporting that Carlton are trying to play hardball and asking for more than that (they won't get it).

 

[Sin City]

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so your stuck for words then !!

Pretty much. It's hard to respond when most of what you say doesn't make sense and the rest of it is too ridiculous to take seriously.

 

[C4[2]Yo`DooR]

Funny.. the guys running the Trade Week chat thing on the AFL website were asked about his value several times. They all responded with the same answer:


They're also reporting that Carlton are trying to play hardball and asking for more than that (they won't get it).

... So the guys running the Trade Week chat now are the experts in what Jacobs is worth to a club, are they?

 

[Sin City]

Funny.. the guys running the Trade Week chat thing on the AFL website were asked about his value several times. They all responded with the same answer:

The also gave the exact same value for David Hale. Think about it for a second.

As far as this playing hard ball stuff goes, we heard we wouldn't get Judd for less than picks 1 & 3, Warnock would go to the PSD if we didn't give better than a second rounder and we wouldn't get anywhere near fair compensation for Fevola. These clowns come up with the same stuff every year but they really underestimate Swann and Icke.

 

[parrot]

Funny.. the guys running the Trade Week chat thing on the AFL website were asked about his value several times. They all responded with the same answer:....

So the Crows use on-line chat to work out a players value now? Perhaps that's why the crows were cut out of trade negotiations already. Regional Amateurs.

 

[Sin City]

So the Crows use on-line chat to work out a players value now? Perhaps that's why the crows were cut out of trade negotiations already. Regional Amateurs.

They also gave David Hale the exact same value. They are real group thinkers that just hear ruckman and think second round pick. Jacobs is a few grades ahead of Hale.

 

[Jeremias]

Those guys are just people with opinions, much like us on here.

To hang your hat on what they have to say in terms of the value of a player is absolutely laughable and clutching at straws.

Was I the only one that cracked up when they said his value would be different if he wasn't a ruckman? That's going out on a limb right there

Ablett would be valued differently if he was a list clogger rather than a dual premiership player, a Brownlow medallist, a son of one of the best players to ever play the game, and one of, if not the best player in the competition right now.

I can't believe they are paid to make comments like that.

 

[TheKITC]

Damien Barrett, just speaking on Trade Week Radio, said he spoke to Ratten last week and they do indeed to play hardball with Jacobs as they legitimately don't want to lose him.

He reported a pick and a player were Carlton's preference in exchange for Sauce.

Fairness would suggest that Adelaide's first pick would not be a part of the trade if this was to be the case.

The problem with this scenario from a Carlton perspective is that players Adelaide would be willing to involve in conjuction with one of their picks would most likely be one that we do not want at Carlton ie. Seller

It seems like what is going to appease us at Carlton, seems to be slighty unfair in the eyes of Adelaide, and vise versa. And it's probably fair enough when you look at the options.

I would gladly take pick 14 for Jacobs, whether or not the Adelaide powerbrokers are on the same page as their posters on this forum remains to be seen. I can certainly see why Adelaide fans would be against giving it up. It's probably a touch too much to hand over for Sauce IMHO, probably by 6-10 spots in the draft. However, one must remember that Adelaide have almost certainly approached Sauce and offered him a decent contract, so they are keen on our player, and it is the only pick in isolation that would be fair compensation to Carlton. This is an impass that might or might not be overcome.

I don't think Carlton are going to take their second rounder, that simply isn't good enough. I don't think they are keen even with Seller involved, again fair enough.

McKernan is one that I would be happy to accept in the trade for Jacobs. Looks as though he might find it tough to get into the Adelaide side with their KPP players and is a VIC lad. A swapping / upgrading of draft picks also might be involved, but if not, a straight swap would appease me for Jacobs, who has shown more and played more in a concern area for Adelaide, yet is out of contract and wishes to return home.

Will be a very interesting trade, which I have every confidence will get done.

 

[C4[2]Yo`DooR]

IMHO I think that Carlton are playing hard ball for a good reason with Adelaide.

I think that the Carlton mentality that we have at the moment is Pick #14 for Jacobs, otherwise we use the PSD threat (WCE/Richmond) to get Jacobs to re-sign (even if only for another year).

I wouldn't be at all un happy re-signing Sauce and having him on the list for another season, as opposed to getting unders for him from Adelaide.

 

[parrot]

TheKITC, that's a nice summation.

Gut feel is the Crows will put up a quality (i.e. previously "untouchable") player so they can get back involved in this trade.

 

[tipstar]

I've been following this thread for quiet a while and decided to enter the ring with my thoughts.

I think the question that none of these Adelaide supports have asked themselves is:

If big sauce was in this compromised draft where would he get picked?

It would be a fair assumption to say that he would be the best ruckman available, so asking pick 14 would be reasonably fair seeming that if he was in the draft he could possibly go top 10 as a young and proven AFL quality ruckman and would be a better choice than a Daniel Gorringe who if you read the AFL Top 25 Draft prospects has him a number 8....

Just my opinion on the matter...

 

[Mister Carlton]

IMHO I think that Carlton are playing hard ball for a good reason with Adelaide.

I think that the Carlton mentality that we have at the moment is Pick #14 for Jacobs, otherwise we use the PSD threat (WCE/Richmond) to get Jacobs to re-sign (even if only for another year).

I wouldn't be at all un happy re-signing Sauce and having him on the list for another season, as opposed to getting unders for him from Adelaide.

Great post.

 

[Vader]

They also gave David Hale the exact same value. They are real group thinkers that just hear ruckman and think second round pick. Jacobs is a few grades ahead of Hale.

Given that Melbourne have apparently offered 12 & 32 for Hale & 17, I'd suggest that a 2nd rounder is probably not too far off Hale's value... just as it's bang on the money for Jacobs' value. Most reporters are expecting this to go through fairly early tomorrow morning.

Personally, I think Hale has zero value as a ruckman - but as a KPP forward who's able to pinch hit in the ruck when required his value rises significantly. Jacobs is clearly the better ruck, but his lack of fitness means that he doesn't offer any flexibility.

 

[Vader]

If big sauce was in this compromised draft where would he get picked?

It would be a fair assumption to say that he would be the best ruckman available, so asking pick 14 would be reasonably fair seeming that if he was in the draft he could possibly go top 10 as a young and proven AFL quality ruckman and would be a better choice than a Daniel Gorringe who if you read the AFL Top 25 Draft prospects has him a number 8....

Gorringe & Lycett would both go before him.

We wouldn't be grabbing him at #14 because our biggest need is for a high quality midfielder. Our ruck division, while not absolutely stunning, is good enough to get the job done. Heck, it's been good enough to take Carlton's rucks to the cleaners in 4 of our last 5 encounters. Jacobs isn't THAT much of an improvement on Maric that we'd be prepared to waste pick #14 on him in this draft.

If he were prepared to play the same silly games that Ball did last year (refusing to be interviewed by any other club, refusing to have medicals with any other club and putting a high price tag on his head) then I'm quite confident that he'd be there at our 2nd selection - even assuming we trade the Bock pick to Richmond for Tambling. I doubt he'd be there at our 3rd selection though. The question then becomes how strong Jacobs' new found attachment to Adelaide is? Is he prepared to play hard ball the way Luke Ball did? I don't know - and I sincerely doubt that any of Carlton's BF supporters do either.