News Crows eye Walker, Jacobs

[a1092115]

What was the pick that the Pies offered?

We won't miss Jacobs, we have plenty of ruck depth but I see what you are saying. The thing is we will be lucky to get anything worth while at that selection. On that note, it's worth sending a message to other clubs.

We will not be ****ed. We are Carlton, we do the ****ing.

I think they offered a fringe player plus 3rd or 4th round pick. Whatever it was it was pretty s^&t. From the sounds of things, adelaide aren't being quite as moronic as collingwood were, so you'd expect a deal to get done on Monday.

 

[Vader]

Just a suggestion on that one Vader. Outline it in the thread title.

Not everyone opts to read the OP, when the thread title says: "Jacobs & Walker. What is a fair price"?

Good idea. Done!

Imagine how much we'll clean up if the mediators step in.

Given that there is not a single non-Carlton supporter who says anything other than "2nd rounder", I suspect you would be bitterly disappointed by the mediator's decision.

Consider the recent record of trading ruckmen:

Sydney gained Seaby pick 28 and pick 55
losing Buchannon, pick 22 and pick 118

Jolly went for pick 14 and 46
Jolly>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Jacobs
therefore Jacobs is worth less then that (2nd round pick would be fair on that)

Warnock and pick 69 went for picks 24, 56 and 72
according to your own fans Warnock is better then Jacobs, so maybe ditch the slight trade up with 69 to 56 and you've got what he's worth, and oh my god, that's pick 24 (2nd rounder) and 72 (4-5 rounder)
Guess you deserve our 2nd rounder here

John Meesen for pick 38, Jacobs is better then Meeson so he's worth more then 38 (3rd rounder)

Brad Moran for pick 34, when fit they're probably equal, maybe just leaning towards Jacobs, so maybe early 3rd, late 2nd is fair.

Wood, yeah, Collingwood got absolutely r*ped there, no point in bring that one up into a debate

Hudson and pick 43 for 30 and 38, so if Adelaide goes down 5 spots in 1 part of it, Hudson is worth about a pick 25, Hudson > Jacobs, so under pick 25 is fair (mid 2nd)

so looking at the trades involving ruckman in the last 3 years, it has come to the conclusion that he's worth anywhere from a mid 2nd to an early 3rd.

There's not a skerrick of evidence to suggest that Jacobs value is anywhere near pick #14, while pick #33 is right in the middle of the ballpark.

Your telling us that you feel comfortable going forward with those names as your ruck division... Laughable really.

Quite comfortable. Maric is a vastly underestimated ruckman and I'm quite confident our mobile backups will be stepping up to the grade sooner rather than later.

 

[Malifice]

Mal, you have to understand there are swings and roundabouts with trading and negotiations.

Sometimes the posters on BF get stuck on a Roundabout and go around in circles.

Yeah bro.

But there havent been any 'swings'.

Its literally been 'Pick 14' and 'Not worth it'

As a Hypothetical (assuming all picks from 10 - 30 were available) what do people think his actual value as a player would be worth?

 

[Sin City]

Given that there is not a single non-Carlton supporter who says anything other than "2nd rounder", I suspect you would be bitterly disappointed by the mediator's decision.

That's on BigFooty you moron

You really have no idea about a players value if you think Jacobs is only worth pick 33 in a weakened draft.

Your suspicions are wrong.

 

[Vader]

That would explain why Adelaide played finals this season & Carlton didn't....oh wait.

Obviously Adelaide have such a good playing list. Must be poorly coached.

Either that, or we had the mother of all injury lists to overcome. Oh wait, we did!

No, because it may end up being Talia or Walker yet, wouldn't put it past Swann and Icke to land it

No harm in dreaming. You have no chance of landing Talia, Walker or pick #14 - but you can always dream.

 

[parrot]

I'm actually enjoying the pressure we're putting on these amateurs. We've been calm and firm throughout, watching the cows officials spill their "look-at-me" incoherent ramblings in the media, like A-grade amateur's do. It's a little embarrassing actually. We just need to kick back and watch this circus for a few more days before they inevitably blink.

 

[Chism]

If Jacobs was a 18-19yo kid in this years draft having showing what he has shown allready you cannot honestly tell me it is not worth pick 14.

FFS he would go top 5. It is not as if he is 28-29 years old and nearing the end of a career you are trading for a 10 year ruckman who is still getting better and just had 44 hitouts in a final and shown a stack of ability in the hardest position on the field with limited chances.

Delusional ********s.

 

[GoBlues!]

Pick 14 categorically off the table, just confirmed by Rhode.

I think what Adelaide are saying is that a straight swap of Jacobs for pick 14, which Carlton has requested, is not on.

However, I thought that Jacobs + Pick18 for Pick 14 + suitable player is another thing altogether. So maybe Pick 14 isn't categorically off the table, and could be on the table with other picks/players involved.

Anyway, I'm sure if Adelaide can put a good enough player in return for Jacobs then there wouldn't be a need worry and argue about trading Pick14.

 

[mediumsizered]

Interesting that Rendall has stated they did the trade for Tambling because Richmond were more conducive than Carlton to doing a deal. In other words, Richmond were a little bit keener to unload Tambling than we are to let Walker go. I wonder if Rendall realises why Richmond were so eager to do a trade for Tambling.

 

[Gravyman]

Josh fraser for a first rounder washed up hack.
Surely we get something better.

 

[sticks74]

Pick 33 and McKernan will suffice...

Think this is a win/win deal for both Clubs!

 

[The Flying Doormat]

Pick 14 categorically off the table, just confirmed by Rhode.

Has Rhode jumped ship and doing the Crows bidding now?

 

[mac25]

Good idea. Done!

Given that there is not a single non-Carlton supporter who says anything other than "2nd rounder", I suspect you would be bitterly disappointed by the mediator's decision.

Consider the recent record of trading ruckmen:

There's not a skerrick of evidence to suggest that Jacobs value is anywhere near pick #14, while pick #33 is right in the middle of the ballpark.

Quite comfortable. Maric is a vastly underestimated ruckman and I'm quite confident our mobile backups will be stepping up to the grade sooner rather than later.

If we look at the Warnock trade two years ago, at the same point in time of both being traded, they are both fairly much line ball possibly Jacobs just slightly in front of Warnock in terms of performing better at their clubs prior to being traded, we gave up 24 in a UNCOMPROMISED DRAFT, so just following this logic places Jacobs valve in that 15-25 range, so your point of no evidence to support Jacobs being near 14 is rubbish.

The reality is that unless a better offer than pick 33 is on the table most Carlton fans would support letting him walk to PSD for a player that will play for the next 8 years.

 

[The Flying Doormat]

Quoting Steven Rowe on channel crow, so this is about as credible as anything KB dribbles.

Apparently we have offerred Jacobs and #18 in exchange for #14 & #33.

 

[KennyHunter9]

Good idea. Done!

Given that there is not a single non-Carlton supporter who says anything other than "2nd rounder", I suspect you would be bitterly disappointed by the mediator's decision.

Consider the recent record of trading ruckmen:

There's not a skerrick of evidence to suggest that Jacobs value is anywhere near pick #14, while pick #33 is right in the middle of the ballpark.

Quite comfortable. Maric is a vastly underestimated ruckman and I'm quite confident our mobile backups will be stepping up to the grade sooner rather than later.

Independent views: you obviously haven't heard Wayne Schwass' view on the issue. Search it out.

Evidence: let's leave picks out of it, since they can be argued either way. Ask yourself why AFC won't trade player for player, like for like. Three times I have asked Adelaide supporters to explain which player they will trade to us who will play 150 games in a KP. Still no answer. Why? They are all untouchable. Poor bastards. Some of them might even want to come home. Understand the hypocrisy?

On Maric: yes he's even underestimated by your own club who seem willing to offer some fringe player like Jacobs $1m.

On Rendell: suggesting that AFC could not go after both Tambling and Walker because of salary cap pressures ... what an idiot. I am very happy that an innumerate is doing your trades.

You have no clue.

 

[1981]

Vader, you really aren't a good advertisement for Moderators. I might be mistaken, but I thought Mods were suppose to be sensible? Not antagonistic?​

Suggest you stay out of this forum, and keep to your own little forum.​

You really don't know what you are talking about. It's really quite embarassing. ​

Have you seen Sauce play much this year? Have you seen how good he has become? That he is a ruck on the rise, big time? Did you see his VFL efforts (and before you open your big mouth, he plays some VFL bec we have Warnock and Kruez) ? Prob not given you are a SA person. Which would mean you are completely ignorant.​

A few home truths for you...​

- Carlton fans know Sauce's form best, bec we see him every week. You don't. The fools off the trade radio prob don't see him as much as we do. We are the people with the educated view, not you.​

- where's all the talk about your love child Griffin? Doesnt seem to be as much demand for him as there is for Sauce. Griffin is going backwards, whereas Sauce is on the rise. Your refusal to acknowledge this fact is laughable.​

- how do you know mids are your preference? Do you work at the club? Inside oil? Your talking crap mate, total crap, and making a fool of yourself. ​

Look, I think you should go back to your forum. Your obviously upset your club gave up too much for a chop in Tambling. I laughed my arse off when I heard that trade deal last night. And you think your recruitment guys have as much cred as ours? Laughable. Swann is the numero uno of club administrators. Yours play games through the media, and you watch if things don't go according to their words, the joke will be on them. Ours are smart, they keep it to themselves. Your guys are media whores. ​

 

[Sin City]

No harm in dreaming. You have no chance of landing Talia, Walker or pick #14 - but you can always dream.

You keep telling yourself that. Rendall is out of his league dealing with Swann and Icke.

 

[The Goon]

Steven Rowe on channel crow, so this is about as credible as anything KB dribbles.

Apparently we have offerred Jacobs and #18 in exchange for #14 & #33.

You guys must have a really keen eye on someone you think will go in the 14-17 selection range, because you sure are going hell for leather for the upgrade. This looks like the closest to an acceptable deal for all parties yet.

 

[Sin City]

You guys must have a really keen eye on someone you think will go in the 14-17 selection range, because you sure are going hell for leather for the upgrade. This looks like the closest to an acceptable deal for all parties yet.

It was only on 5 double Crow, don't take it as gospel.

 

[parrot]

It's becoming increasingly obvious we're going to win this trade. When the other-side are resorting to using the media to push their case, you know you have them on the ropes. This will be sweet.

 

[Sin City]

It's becoming increasingly obvious we're going to win this trade. When the other-side are resorting to using the media to push their case, you know you have them on the ropes. This will be sweet.

You're right, they are starting to sound a bit desperate. They really are a bunch of amateurs.

 

[Hardballget5]

Ok, so demons have come out and offered there 2nd round for David Hale who is a fully developed hack being kept out by a developing ruckman in Goldstein and Hansen a developing forward

BUT!!!

Carlton are asking way way way to much wanting pick 14 to be part of a trade with adelaide according to one G. Lyon and the rest of the tools at Triple M and Croc Media for a Talented up and comer in Jacobs, Clubs want players who stand up when it counts, thats why Jacobs was picked for our EF and Davis was dropped for the 2nd GF.

 

[amer]

Has Rhode jumped ship and doing the Crows bidding now?

Bill Rhode will not budge.

 

[Sin City]

Bill Rhode will not budge.

He's out of his depth.

 

[mediumsizered]

Quoting Steven Rowe on channel crow, so this is about as credible as anything KB dribbles.

Apparently we have offerred Jacobs and #18 in exchange for #14 & #33.

This seems like a reasonable deal. Adelaide still have a first round draft pick & get the ruckman they want (one that they believe is worth a 3 year contract), while we get a slight upgrade on our first round pick & a second round pick which would be a speculative pick at best in a compromised draft.