News Crows eye Walker, Jacobs

[Sin City]

Adelaide's ruck situation isn't dire

It's worse than dire, seriously. Any time some delusional Adelaide fan lists your rucks we hear a bunch of hacks and undersized kids. Your midfield has no hope of being competitive with those rucks and your club knows it.

 

[amer]

It's worse than dire, seriously. Any time some delusional Adelaide fan lists your rucks we hear a bunch of hacks and undersized kids. Your midfield has no hope of being competitive with those rucks and your club knows it.

The club knows it could do with improvement and hence they've made a play for someone who may have the potential to offer that. It's not bull at a gate, get him at all costs stuff. You can continue rejecting this if you'd like, but that's where it sits regardless.

 

[Sin City]

It's not bull at a gate, get him at all costs stuff.

You keep telling yourself that. We'll see what Rendell thinks on Monday morning when he still hasn't got the deal across the line.

 

[Malifice]

Any bets on the post count of this thread before a deal gets done?

Im guessing around 3000.

 

[Wickzki]

All piss taking aside; and it's been golden mmmgood brahs; there's a skerrick of misconception about where things sit here. Adelaide's ruck situation isn't dire, though it could do with improvement. .

I could pick some random basketball player from the local recreation leagues whose 6'6" or taller and it'd be a major improvement on your ruck division.

Isn't dire? You have maybe one that is AFL quality. The rest are hopeless.

Even the most one-eyed Crows supporter realizes how much even an average ruckman would transform your side.

 

[Crow-mo]

Exactly. I find it interesting that we have Crows fans here telling us that we better trade Jacobs for their low-ball offer because he will be gone otherwise. Are we talking about the same Jacobs who has come out and said that he wont walk out on the team if we can't do a trade?

hold on.

ignore our export flogs, and yours that you sent our way, how do you think this works?

Jacobs can't just stay. he has to agree a new contract. fine. maybe he does.

we're offering something in the range of 320 - 350K per year. he can get that, but going psd. whether to us, or Melbourne if they miss out on hale.

heck he might ask for a little bit more on the basis of his acquiring team having traded nothing.

so he has say 350 (ish) on the table.

maybe you can convince him to sign - I don't know, and neither do you - but on what sort of terms do you think he would?

its not like Walker staying who is under contract. Jacobs is out of contract, and needs a new deal whether from us, melb, or you.

he is not going to leave a chunk of cash on the table. if you want to keep him, you can negotiate with him.

market terms have been set.

I'm not convinced he'd leave if you matched his offer in terms of cash and assured him of your plans for him in the team.

 

[HARKER]

Any bets on the post count of this thread before a deal gets done?

Im guessing around 3000.

You're a numbers man Mal?
I'll guess 2250 as today may just be the day.

We may get 14 yet, but not on its own as more likely an exchange for 18 + player.

Just because we aren't hearing much doesn't mean we aren't doing much.
I like our style, but if a trade is not to be then that's just the way it is.
Move on.

 

[zeeCFC]

Are we just debating for the sake of getting this thread to 2000 posts now?

in which case, TALIA AND PICK 14 FOR JACOBS AND GRIGG!!

 

[HARKER]

Deal. ..........1925

 

[Faz 2000]

If round 1 is too high for Jacobs, round 2 is too low, what about:

Jacobs and Carlton's second-rounder
for
Adelaide's first-rounder?

Does either team do this?

 

[zeeCFC]

If round 1 is too high for Jacobs, round 2 is too low, what about:

Jacobs and Carlton's second-rounder
for
Adelaide's first-rounder?

Does either team do this?

As i've said before, reckon it will be:

Blues gain: pick 14 and 33
Crows gain: pick 18 and Sauce

That's the fairest deal I can think of unless we're given McKernan instead of 14

 

[Blue and Silver]

If round 1 is too high for Jacobs, round 2 is too low, what about:

Jacobs and Carlton's second-rounder
for
Adelaide's first-rounder?

Does either team do this?

Nah it is a bit too much loss for mine. This changes if the Grigg deal nets us a second rounder. It is shaping up to be a last minute thing

 

[Drakescoffeecake]

As i've said before, reckon it will be:

Blues gain: pick 14 and 33
Crows gain: pick 18 and Sauce

That is the fairest deal for both clubs.

 

[Go_Blues!]

hold on.

ignore our export flogs, and yours that you sent our way, how do you think this works?

Jacobs can't just stay. he has to agree a new contract. fine. maybe he does.

we're offering something in the range of 320 - 350K per year. he can get that, but going psd. whether to us, or Melbourne if they miss out on hale.

heck he might ask for a little bit more on the basis of his acquiring team having traded nothing.

so he has say 350 (ish) on the table.

maybe you can convince him to sign - I don't know, and neither do you - but on what sort of terms do you think he would?

its not like Walker staying who is under contract. Jacobs is out of contract, and needs a new deal whether from us, melb, or you.

he is not going to leave a chunk of cash on the table. if you want to keep him, you can negotiate with him.

market terms have been set.

I'm not convinced he'd leave if you matched his offer in terms of cash and assured him of your plans for him in the team.

I actually don't think it is about money. I think Sam would like to get to a club where he can get regular senior games and a SA club seems to be the logical place since he is a native. It is clear to everyone that has seen him play that he should be playing regular AFL level football. It is also clear that Adelaide need to strengthen their ruck devisions and that Carlton have too many quality rucks on their list who are all about the same stage in development. There are too many reasons why this trade should be done for it not to happen. The only issue is that Sam is worth less than pick 14 and more than pick 33 and both clubs know this. At some point before the monday deadline this deal will get done otherwise everyone loses. The other thing that helps in this trade is that Adelaide has a strength in key position players where Carlton has a weakness. I don't know how this will end up but I feel very confident that a trade will get done and it won't be a straight swap for either 14 or 33.

 

[sticks74]

Not sure why we wouldnt trade Hampson and promise Sauce a regular starting spot next year...

Why would you give away a great prospect for a second round pick...
40 odd hitouts in a final...

He must really want to go home which will make it hard for us to get what he is worth!

 

[Faz 2000]

Nah it is a bit too much loss for mine. This changes if the Grigg deal nets us a second rounder. It is shaping up to be a last minute thing

Yeh, I'm touch and go on it. However moving up 20 places in the draft, from late-ish second to mid first round is probably reasonable for Sauce, at this stage.

Adelaide have sent a few picks away, obviously, in the Tambling trade, so may be interested in getting more picks. Two in the second round, plus Tambling and Jacobs would be an OK outcome for them, wouldn't it?

I also was thinking we should be looking at getting back into the second round with Grigg.

If we could work out SOMETHING like the following, I'd be happy:

Jacobs+2nd pick for Adelaide's 1st pick
Grigg for Richmond's 2nd pick
Walker to stay
Thornton for a bag of footies
Setant for Bevan (if this is legitimately being floated)

End up with double-dip in the first round, a better second rounder than we started with, Walker and Bevan. *Shrug* Dunno, seems OK to me. Maybe Crows and Tiges don't like it though. Hard to tell how everyone is valued.

 

[Faz 2000]

Not sure why we wouldnt trade Hampson and promise Sauce a regular starting spot next year...

Why would you give away a great prospect for a second round pick...
40 odd hitouts in a final...

He must really want to go home which will make it hard for us to get what he is worth!

Cos it's not entirely up to us. Jacobs is not content with playing in the VFL. Fair enough, I say. Football is his trade, he's good at it, but he's just not really able to practice it at Carlton (at AFL level) because he IS behind Kreuzer and Warnock. Jacobs wants to go.

Hampson, on the other hand, can't really make a compelling case for being more than a VFL player right now. HE knows he has plenty of development to do. We can all see the physical gifts he's got - if he ever puts it together he could be a monster. But he's nowhere near it yet, and no team would be playing him 22 games a year.

That's my take.

 

[Stamos]

Not sure why we wouldnt trade Hampson and promise Sauce a regular starting spot next year...

2 words: Kreuzer and Warnock

 

[Go_Blues!]

Yeh, I'm touch and go on it. However moving up 20 places in the draft, from late-ish second to mid first round is probably reasonable for Sauce, at this stage.

Adelaide have sent a few picks away, obviously, in the Tambling trade, so may be interested in getting more picks. Two in the second round, plus Tambling and Jacobs would be an OK outcome for them, wouldn't it?

I also was thinking we should be looking at getting back into the second round with Grigg.

If we could work out SOMETHING like the following, I'd be happy:

Jacobs+2nd pick for Adelaide's 1st pick
Grigg for Richmond's 2nd pick
Walker to stay
Thornton for a bag of footies
Setant for Bevan (if this is legitimately being floated)

End up with double-dip in the first round, a better second rounder than we started with, Walker and Bevan. *Shrug* Dunno, seems OK to me. Maybe Crows and Tiges don't like it though. Hard to tell how everyone is valued.

Yeah, but Adelaide seem pretty committed to pick 14. It maybe that they have someone in mind for that pick. I know that trade week contains a lot of big-talk by clubs to members via the media, but it is hard to imagine that Carlton and Adelaide are not doing everything they can to get a trade across the line. It seems the only two things entirely ruled out are Adelaide trading 14 and Carlton accepting 33 on its own. We may yet see a player come our way. Also, my perception is that Adelaide, like Carlton, do not really speak rubbish in trading. If they say 14 is off the table, it probably is. They are a pretty good club to deal with.

 

[Blueboys7]

As i've said before, reckon it will be:

Blues gain: pick 14 and 33
Crows gain: pick 18 and Sauce

That's the fairest deal I can think of unless we're given McKernan instead of 14

I'm starting to think it will be Sauce and our 3rd pick for 33 and Mckernan.

 

[Blueboys7]

Has anyone taken the time to think that all the Crows fans say that he is worth a 2nd round pick and that BF agrees. Pick 33 in years gone by is a 3rd round pick, so taking that into account we need more than pick 33.

 

[Wood_Duck]

Has anyone taken the time to think that all the Crows fans say that he is worth a 2nd round pick and that BF agrees. Pick 33 in years gone by is a 3rd round pick, so taking that into account we need more than pick 33.

Oh yeah, massive difference between pick 32 and 33.

 

[Blue and Silver]

Oh yeah, massive difference between pick 32 and 33.

33 is too low, 14 is too high.

Everyone knows this.

 

[Go_Blues!]

Oh yeah, massive difference between pick 32 and 33.

I think the point is that if this was not the year of draft concessions, Adelaide would have pick 6 and 22 (assuming no priorities). I think 22 is about what Jacobs is worth. Would be an easy trade. As it is, he is not worth 14 and 33 is too little. Adelaide might need to trade into a mid 20's pick but the problem is, most of those are first round picks and clubs are not going to want to trade them for anything but a solid first 22 player.

 

[Blueboys7]

Oh yeah, massive difference between pick 32 and 33.

We all know he is worth more than that and in a compromised draft where picks ar devalued pick 33 is a lot further away from being a second rounder.