Crows new coach

[WaynesWorld19]

Originally posted by macca23
Stiify, you're simply putting a slant on it that just isn't there.

Wallace clearly says that you would build this running game rather than what might be your high marking philosophy if that's the type of player you have.

You're actually criticizing him for being flexible and saying that you have to adjust your actual game plan to what you've got rather than play some theoretical game plan for which you just don't have the man power. That would sem eminently sensible in my book.

The man is not the bloody idiot you're trying to interpret him to be

The point I'll add to the discussion is that I'm not in favour of playing a game style based on the personnel you currently have.
Yes it does win you games, Yes it will get you in the finals.

I'm more in favour of playing a gamestyle that will win a premiership, and keep you up or near the top for a period of time.
This means bringing in and trading players that will fit your style.
Mathews has done this bring Brown in, trading for Michael, and converting Leppitsch from a forward to a CHB.

I hope Wallace if he were successful opts for the latter, you may lose more games early on, but the prize could be better in the longrun.

Whilst we have a query on Wallace in this regard, I'm not sure we can say Craig is not of the same fabric.

 

[Jerome]

Very happy to hear that Wayne Jackson is being considered as part of the coaching committie.

To get in someone independent of the club would be a very good move. If it was just left to the old boys club, I'd be worried.

Hopefully they can keep Wayne around for a review of the whole club.

 

[macca23]

Originally posted by Wayne's-World
The point I'll add to the discussion is that I'm not in favour of playing a game style based on the personnel you currently have.
Yes it does win you games, Yes it will get you in the finals.

I'm more in favour of playing a gamestyle that will win a premiership, and keep you up or near the top for a period of time.
This means bringing in and trading players that will fit your style.
Mathews has done this bring Brown in, trading for Michael, and converting Leppitsch from a forward to a CHB.

I hope Wallace if he were successful opts for the latter, you may lose more games early on, but the prize could be better in the longrun.

Whilst we have a query on Wallace in this regard, I'm not sure we can say Craig is not of the same fabric.

I've got no doubts on Wallace at all. Anybody who watches Fox Footy regularly, and White Line Fever in particular, has the advantage of seeing first-hand just how astute Wallace really is by comparison to 99.9% of the footy judges of today.

Last week, Wallace and Tony Shaw conducted a two and a half hour analysis of the 16 teams - their strengths, weaknesses, their futures, what they need, and where they'll finish this year. Wallace's ability to do this and dissect a team and it's players was brilliant and very enlightening.

On the contrary, there are many many question marks on Neil Craig which a period of 9 weeks can't possibly answer.

As Graham Cornes said this morning, Wallace stands head and shoulders above the others as the best coaching candidate available.

 

[Jerome]

Originally posted by Stiffy_18
No I read the article and I understood what he is saying BUT you seem to be taking it on face value. Lets discuss this a bit further.

Wallace sees our midfield as our strength and as such will build a game plan around it. His main priority is to win so what he will do is select the side that will win him the game. Just like he did at WB he will get settled into that team structure and will not be all that keen to play around with it by introducing talls that are not made for the structure that he is likely to implement.

I cringe every time he mentions running players because we all know he has an obsession with them and as I said earlier all the comments that he has made up to date tell me that he hasn't learned as much as you think. If he does get appointed you will see the same style you saw with the doggies and the structure of the side that you see now will not be the same under Wallace. If he implements this structure I am pretty sure you won't be going into a game with 8 talls (2 ruckman, 3 tall defenders and 3 tall forwards). If he has learned something from his stint in the media then his first priority would be to build a strong spine, find a marking ruckman or 2 and THEN add to it running players.

It would appear that his obsession with running players has not been cured.

I agree his recruiting at WB was'nt that flash, with his lack of key possie players.

I also agree that no matter who gets the main gig next year, we need ruckman and at a couple of big key defenders for 2005.

However, if you have a look at our squad, there is already a number of young KPP's here he can use.

You've often said our spine could be very strong in a few years with Krueger, Hentschel and Watts in attack and McGregor in defence. Parker could be a handy addition to the back half, but he needs to shine with the Bays first.

There's a chance that Wallace could get away with a running game plan and recruiting midfielders if our current KP players live up to expectations next year.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Originally posted by macca23
I've got no doubts on Wallace at all. Anybody who watches Fox Footy regularly, and White Line Fever in particular, has the advantage of seeing first-hand just how astute Wallace really is by comparison to 99.9% of the footy judges of today.

Last week, Wallace and Tony Shaw conducted a two and a half hour analysis of the 16 teams - their strengths, weaknesses, their futures, what they need, and where they'll finish this year. Wallace's ability to do this and dissect a team and it's players was brilliant and very enlightening.

On the contrary, there are many many question marks on Neil Craig which a period of 9 weeks can't possibly answer.

As Graham Cornes said this morning, Wallace stands head and shoulders above the others as the best coaching candidate available.

Macca I'm confident that given the same exposure the "scientific" mind of Craig would come through and be equally as impressive.

Having said that, experience V inexperience, one brilliant footy thinker V another, you still come up with Wallace.

 

[spindoctor]

Originally posted by Jerome
Parker could be a handy addition to the back half, but he needs to shine with the Bays first.

Er...I think he has been. He's been in their top players every week since moving there...

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Originally posted by spindoctor
Er...I think he has been. He's been in their top players every week since moving there...

Yes and surely Parker has done enough over 2 years to get an opportunity either as an upgraded rookie, or by elevation to the main list next season.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Originally posted by Wayne's-World
Yes and surely Parker has done enough over 2 years to get an opportunity either as an upgraded rookie, or by elevation to the main list next season.

Would be more deserving than some other players on our list!

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Been listening to Wallace on 3AW for the last hour.
He's very impressive and very thorough.

Although not contacted to do so, he is sitting in on the Fox commentary team for the U18 championships.

He is already analysing the lists of prospective clubs, and determining who stays and who goes.

He has confirmed he's had no discussions at all with Adelaide.

This guy is really really hungry for success, and he's in the heart of footy territory, speaking to all the experts, watching all the teams ala Blight.



PS just an add-on to the conversation; he said he hasn't spoken to anyone, not that he wsan't going to?
Read into that what you will

 

[Stiffy_18]

Originally posted by Wayne's-World
The point I'll add to the discussion is that I'm not in favour of playing a game style based on the personnel you currently have.
Yes it does win you games, Yes it will get you in the finals.

I'm more in favour of playing a gamestyle that will win a premiership, and keep you up or near the top for a period of time.
This means bringing in and trading players that will fit your style.
Mathews has done this bring Brown in, trading for Michael, and converting Leppitsch from a forward to a CHB.

I hope Wallace if he were successful opts for the latter, you may lose more games early on, but the prize could be better in the longrun.

Whilst we have a query on Wallace in this regard, I'm not sure we can say Craig is not of the same fabric.

Now this I agree with.

You don't come up with a game plan to suit your list. You come up with a game plan and you recruit players that fit it.

If Wallace or anyone else for that matter comes up with a game plan that suits the list then we are in strife. Yes we might make the finals but the style and players Wallace recruited when at Footscray is not what wins premierships. Plain and simple.

 

[macca23]

Originally posted by Stiffy_18
Now this I agree with.

You don't come up with a game plan to suit your list. You come up with a game plan and you recruit players that fit it.

If Wallace or anyone else for that matter comes up with a game plan that suits the list then we are in strife. Yes we might make the finals but the style and players Wallace recruited when at Footscray is not what wins premierships. Plain and simple.

Crap.

If a coach gets his players to play to a game plan for which they don't have the players, they will get slaughtered.

A coach may be well aware of the appropriate game plan to win a premiership, but if he doesn't have the cattle, it will take some time - 2,3 or more years - to draft the necessary players for the positions he is light on.

A smart coach will start with the game plan that gets the best results from what he has, while adjusting that game-plan each time he gets a further necessary piece of the jigsaw.

The ultimate goal of course is to end up with a flag winning game plan with all the necessary pieces in place.

 

[Stiffy_18]

Originally posted by macca23
Crap.

If a coach gets his players to play to a game plan for which they don't have the players, they will get slaughtered.

A coach may be well aware of the appropriate game plan to win a premiership, but if he doesn't have the cattle, it will take some time - 2,3 or more years - to draft the necessary players for the positions he is light on.

A smart coach will start with the game plan that gets the best results from what he has, while adjusting that game-plan each time he gets a further necessary piece of the jigsaw.

The ultimate goal of course is to end up with a flag winning game plan with all the necessary pieces in place.

You mean the same process Wallace carried out with the Bulldogs??????

we all know how that developed don't we?

 

[tribey]

Originally posted by Stiffy_18
You mean the same process Wallace carried out with the Bulldogs??????

we all know how that developed don't we?

Within a whisker of a pair of flags, reinvigorating the careers of many old and recycled players while introducing the likes of Montgomery and Brown to AFL footy?

 

[macca23]

Originally posted by dyertribe
Within a whisker of a pair of flags, reinvigorating the careers of many old and recycled players while introducing the likes of Montgomery and Brown to AFL footy?

And within a poverty-stricken club, while having to be it's PR manager as well as coach.

And with sh*thouse facilities.

And not getting paid his coaching fee for 6 to 7 months in his last year because the club had no money.

Yeah, Wallace had a silver spoon in his mouth, and failed miserably!!

 

[Crow-mosone]

Originally posted by Stiffy_18
You mean the same process Wallace carried out with the Bulldogs??????

we all know how that developed don't we?

pretty bloody well from what I can see.

you have to play your strengths, not your wishlist of players.