D3 Ammos

[Old Warrior]

Seems to have gone unnoticed in these parts that South Melbourne’s Dean Bell was given one of the extra premiership medals after the win last week.

Is this the same Dean Bell that was banned from ever attending another South Melbourne game ever again?

You know, the one that the South president and captain both put in writing to the league, saying that the club would never have anything to do with him again?

What a crock that turned out to be.

Turned out to be a complete lie, just to avoid the club getting fined for one of its players assaulting VAFA officials.

I didn’t look too closely, but I wonder if D’Andrea (#43) who over the course of the year – racially abused, spat at and eye gouged players, also got a medal.

Absolute joke.

The bloke's paid the ultimate price and missed out on a premiership with all his mates. He's going to be hurting about that for the rest of his life.

He got a medal - big deal.

 

[bigw]

The bloke's paid the ultimate price and missed out on a premiership with all his mates. He's going to be hurting about that for the rest of his life.

He got a medal - big deal.

Well said.

 

[saints]

Dean Bell will always be welcome at the districts, been there for years and alot of friends. Deserved to get a medal. Maybe a few are jealous that they play for a side not good enough to win their own medals.

Now season is over recruiting players will start. Know for a fact that 2 old Sth Districts players are returning to the club next year. One Marko Stefandakis from Collegians and Luke Keely from Port Melbourne Colts. Big chance that Tom Paterakis may play next year coming from Sandringham.

May help next year in the higher division.

Now who ever this is, i will go with jack cronan, you should know better. dont start rumours. You know as i do that there are a few thinking of returning, Marko, Steve Bracchi, Zak Lewis, Tom Paterakis and Luke Kealy.

With the last 2 will be hard for tom to pass on the money he will be offered, and hard for kealy to leave after 2 premeirships in 2 years.
Maybe your passing the heat to others so your move to st marys goes un noticed.

 

[Bemuse Me]

Dean Bell will always be welcome at the districts, been there for years and alot of friends.

That's fair enough, but the question remains, why did the captain and the president both put in writing to the VAFA that he was told he is no longer welcome at the club???


Obviously it was just some bullsh*t statement to avoid the club getting fined.

As for Dean Bell's new club next year, if the Ammos decide to pursue assault charges, as they should, he might be able to get a game with the HM Barwon Prison representative side.

 

[Turbs23]

He got a medal - big deal.

It's worth its weight in gold if part of the winning 22 on grand final day. Otherwise it's only a round, cheap peice of lead covered in tin that is worth nothing but empty memories and what-ifs.

 

[the lip]

That's fair enough, but the question remains, why did the captain and the president both put in writing to the VAFA that he was told he is no longer welcome at the club???


Obviously it was just some bullsh*t statement to avoid the club getting fined.

As for Dean Bell's new club next year, if the Ammos decide to pursue assault charges, as they should, he might be able to get a game with the HM Barwon Prison representative side.

mate would you like to meet the bloke in person? let me know so i can pass the message on?

 

[harper]

Obviously it was just some bullsh*t statement to avoid the club getting fined.

As for Dean Bell's new club next year, if the Ammos decide to pursue assault charges, as they should, he might be able to get a game with the HM Barwon Prison representative side.

As if South can afford a fine, get over it d1ck head, enough has been said.

 

[BlackMamba]

As if South can afford a fine, get over it d1ck head, enough has been said.

It's a fair enough question isn't it.... and the defensive stance people on this forum have taken pretty much confirm that South never had any intention of keeping their word.
OK, we've heard that Dean has many friends at South, and has been there for a long time....so good on him, let him stay at South, it's no biggy.
He cops his sentence, misses a Grand Final, and moves on....
It would've been fine if the club didn't say anything but an apology to the league, that's all.

When I first heard about the letter, I honestly thought that South Melbourne must have really strong morals. I gave them a lot of credit for making a strong point that that kind of behaviour by any player was frowned upon by the club. Good on them for doing so. It was seen as a very respectful decision.
Now however, if this stuff is all true, then all that repect goes down the drain.

IF, and that's a big IF, Dean can and does play for the club next year, then South will have lost a lot of credit from many people, including the VAFA, who will no doubt 'have it in' for them next year.
Once again, IF that is the case, all they have done is shot themselves in the foot, and they can expect no mercy from the League.

 

[knackers_2]

As if South can afford a fine, get over it d1ck head, enough has been said.

iTap, Big W, the_lip, harper et al - can any of you confirm the content of a letter to the VAFA stating Bell wouldn't be welcome at Souths next year, and if he is likely to be around?

 

[The Tigers Nuts]

If he's been deregistered he won't get a game, pure and simple.

If he is around, and acts up in the crowd, expect a few investigations and fines for conduct unbecoming. SM will get the message eventually.

Tigernuts

 

[Bemuse Me]

mate would you like to meet the bloke in person? let me know so i can pass the message on?

No I don't want to meet him.

He has clearly shown from his petulant childish antics at the tribunal that he is an unstable sociopath who can't be trusted to walk the streets, let alone play a contact sport.

Why would I want to meet him?
I just want to make sure that I can play a game of footy (or sit in a tribunal hearing if the case may be) without having an anti-social lunatic throw a chair at me.

And I notice no one has refuted my suggestion that SOUTH MELBOURNE BLATANTLY LIED IN AN OFFICIAL LETTER TO THE VAFA JUST TO AVOID GETTING A FINE!

Proves two things - one that the VAFA huffs and puffs, but when the big decisions have to be made they are weak as water, and two that South Melbourne are a bunch of liars who will do anything to save their own arse..

 

[iTap]

And I notice no one has refuted my suggestion that SOUTH MELBOURNE BLATANTLY LIED IN AN OFFICIAL LETTER TO THE VAFA JUST TO AVOID GETTING A FINE!

Proves two things - one that the VAFA huffs and puffs, but when the big decisions have to be made they are weak as water, and two that South Melbourne are a bunch of liars who will do anything to save their own arse..

Have you asked the VAFA to explain their stand in the issue? That might make more sense than to come on here under a pseudonym and try to antagonise a bunch of blokes who are all too busy celebrating a fantastic end to a brilliant season.
I can't speak for all my team mates but I have never read this letter, I'm not aware of the conditions imposed on Dean Bell and I'm not certain if he will play with us next year. All I can do is hope that he will be able to as he is a valuable member of the team, albeit one with anger issues which need working out.
As this is an issue which seems to vex you greatly perhaps you could be so kind as to get in touch with the VAFA, voice your concerns, and then report back to this forum and enlighten us all as to the situation.

Now if you'll excuse me I have to go back to polishing my medal.

 

[crownies2]

The truth to the matter is that the VAFA have taken the necessary action. Dean Bell's Permit to play in the VAFA has been revoked which means he can't play with South or anyone else for that matter.

His Tribunal Record has also been passed onto Football Victoria who now have the ultimate responsibility of banning him from playing with any competition in the state.

So he has done himself a fair bit of damage.

 

[Old Warrior]

Any news on the coaching front for other clubs in D3?

At OW Fab Gatti has been reappointed for 2007 as senior coach, Danny Hickey as reserves coach and Matt Campbell has taken the step up from being assistant in the seniors to U/19 coach for the coming season.

Congratulations to Paul Chalmers for taking out the senior B&F this year and Stu Burnham for winning the ressies.

 

[espresso]

No I don't want to meet him.

blah blah blah

You need to step back and take a good look at the situation. The club stood by their word, which was to suspend him from the club - that means no training and no playing. I can confirm that during GF week Spide was not allowed at the club.

The letter never siad he'd be banned from the club. your little brain and big mouth are getting a bit hot on this point. South cannot stop a person from watching their games, and should not be stopped from rewarding a plyer who had a great season and one slip up - which was at the VAFA, not the actual incident that got him there (it was more criminal that he got 2 weeks ).

Spider cannot play with the club next year - as they have stood by their word and suspended him, and so have the VAFA - who have removed his permit.

He is still agreat asset to the club and will be welcome back once the VAFA and club committee agree it is appropriate in a non playing role - if of couse he wants to. He has the full support of all players and officials.

If you ever manage to pull your head out of your arse, you'll realise that many happen beheind the scenes. Actions cannot be reversed, but they can be remedied. In this case, Spide, the club and VAFA are seeking a solution, not a crucifixion.

The strength of South as a club and as a community is part of the reason we are premiers.

RIP the LIP.

 

[BlackMamba]

hahaha....."one slip up"

makes it sound like it was more of an accidental thing....

We got the full run-down of what happened from our representative, and it was hardly a split-second moment of anger. Apparently he went down the corridoor smashing windows, tables, doors.....anything in sight.
Is that really the kind of person that you'd like at the club?
Lets hope he's not an angry drunk....imagine the club functions!

Look, I agree that the 2 week suspension wasn't fair, and it's a serious problem with the Ammos.....they don't care to listen to your case, it's pretty much "oh, you were reported....well.....2 weeks then" ...
Maybe that's what got Dean so angry in the first place.....still, it definately doens't warrant assualt and property destruction......our guy just copped his sentence and quietly walked out the door.

 

[The Tigers Nuts]

...and it's a serious problem with the Ammos.....they don't care to listen to your case, it's pretty much "oh, you were reported....well.....2 weeks then" ...

Well looking at the last two months tribunal results, we have (pass the envelope please)...

* 20 found guilty
* 10 found not guilty
* 3 accepted set penalty
* 1 charge withdrawn

So tossing out the "you got me bang to rights Guv" set penalties, the facts show that 33% of reports are found not guilty... that's hardly an automatic two weeks, now is it?

Pity you said that, it was a good post otherwise.

Tigernuts

 

[iTap]

Proves two things - one that the VAFA huffs and puffs, but when the big decisions have to be made they are weak as water, and two that South Melbourne are a bunch of liars who will do anything to save their own arse..

You owe us an apology for that particular call I believe.

I won't hold my breath waiting for one though.

 

[Turbs23]

Apparently next year the Ammos might be bringing in an appeal system similar to the AFL.

 

[Archangel17]

IF you add in two investigations instigated by losing grand final sides, that then failed you may find that there are even more found not guilty

 

[BlackMamba]

So tossing out the "you got me bang to rights Guv" set penalties, the facts show that 33% of reports are found not guilty... that's hardly an automatic two weeks, now is it?

Is that for all divisions?
Just from what I've heard from my teammates, and my opponents, no-one has got off. Everyone knows that Dean Bell barely hit our guy, same thing with Charlie McFadden, our potential Grand Finalist who was suspended.

Earlier in the year a guy from Bentleigh was reported for bumping someone. It may have been close to what you'd call a shirt-front, but he copped two weeks.
He is a big guy, absolutely massive. He was sprinting after the bouncing ball, eyes down, and just ran into someone. Completely on accident. It was even a stretch for it being a free kick. The guy he ran into wasn't even hurt, and was surprised that he got the free.
The umpire saw that a big bloke knocked over someone, and automatically pulled out his book.

He rocked up at the tribunal, and once they saw how big he was they gave him two weeks. I asked him about the hearing and he said, "They just wouldn't listen to me. They didn't care for my side of the story. It only mattered what the umpire said, nothing else."

I suppose it's difficult to have a tribunal hearing without having any supporting video footage, but from the stories I've heard it seemed like you're condemned before you get there.

Maybe the League just hates the D3 clubs!!! hehehe

 

[GE Saint]

Maybe they do hate D3 clubs, we had 5 guys reported this year, 4 got found not guilty at the tribunal and one took the prescibed penalty.

 

[Bemuse Me]

The letter never siad he'd be banned from the club. your little brain and big mouth are getting a bit hot on this point. South cannot stop a person from watching their games, and should not be stopped from rewarding a plyer who had a great season and one slip up

A letter from South president Maureen McGee dated September 6, 2006 stated:

"This, of course, is no excuse for his behaviour and as a result, he is being suspended from the Club and will not be permitted to attend our remaining games."

Which kind of makes you wonder why the club then nominated him to be at the ground to accept a premiership medal just ten days later.

It just shows that they wanted to be seen to be washing their hands of the incident just to avoid a fine. Ie, lying.

As for the "one slip up", I know for a fact that when he was downstairs waiting for the hearing, he told the Bentleigh player that "If I'm found guilty, I'll go off my head." which means it was pre-meditated and not a spur of the moment thing.

At least Dean lives up to his word, unlike some.

 

[Red Gum]

Rumour goes that the Ivanhoe coach was asked not to re-apply and has headed off to Eltham Turtles.

 

[bearo]

Bemuse Me, your nothing but a lagging dog... You give up!!!!