Dale Thomas.

[Bloben]

I think Rhyce will play on Judd but I doubt that Stevens and Murphy will get hard tags. I would like us to start aggressively and make Carlton worry about negating our midfielders than starting on the back foot. Obviously if things don't go as planned then Clarke tag.

 

[Blues_Man]

I think Rhyce will play on Judd but I doubt that Stevens and Murphy will get hard tags. I would like us to start aggressively and make Carlton worry about negating our midfielders than starting on the back foot. Obviously if things don't go as planned then Clarke tag.

Most of your midfielders negate themselves .

 

[Bloben]

Most of your midfielders negate themselves .

I would be reasonably confident that we will beat you in the ruck. Fraser is in career best form in terms of tap work and Cam Wood has really been a revelation.

It is true though that some of our mids hasn't hit their straps in 2008 yet such as Burns, O'Bree, Pendles and Clarke. The thing is though is because we rotate so heavily that is not so much of a problem. Leon Davis has played very well in the middle. Medhurst and Didak also can play in the centre and can be very damaging.

We've never had a glamorous midfield however we have a team of very disciplined guys who play for each other and get the job done. Dismiss at your peril Blues_Man

 

[mattys123]

Useless argument, to put the draftee's in top 3 order from that year;

1. Scott Pendlebury

2. Dale Thomas

3. Marc Murphy

Having said that, they'll all be 200 + game players, all win B + F's, but only
Pendles and Daisy will ever see a grand final, let alone a final.

 

[fraser25]

It's easy to pump up players who are doing well in a better side.

Murphy's done just about as well as you could expect, perhaps better, sure thing gun.

 

[Silvagnis]

Useless argument, to put the draftee's in top 3 order from that year;

1. Scott Pendlebury

2. Dale Thomas

3. Marc Murphy

Having said that, they'll all be 200 + game players, all win B + F's, but only
Pendles and Daisy will ever see a grand final, let alone a final.

Funny how you didn't write premiership.

 

[FevolasFox]

Funny how you didn't write premiership.

BANG!

 

[stui magpie]

^
Funny how you didn't argue about finals.

 

[Collingwoodrow]

It's easy to pump up players who are doing well in a better side.

Murphy's done just about as well as you could expect, perhaps better, sure thing gun.

I would think Pendles and Thomas are a big part if why we are a better side than Carlton.

This BS that Murphy has had a heavy tag since day dot is a myth perpetrated by Carlton folk looking to make excuses for his second season being perceived as somewhat ordinary.

He is a small, young midfielder on a terrible team. It is not an ideal place to shine....but he is doing ok in my book.

The thing I find hilarious is the Carlton folk that protect Murphy and make excuses for him using the poor talent around him line would be the same idiots that use to say "Buckley is only a good player because he stands out on a crap team" in the 90's.

 

[thylacine60]

I would think Pendles and Thomas are a big part if why we are a better side than Carlton.

This BS that Murphy has had a heavy tag since day dot is a myth perpetrated by Carlton folk looking to make excuses for his second season being perceived as somewhat ordinary.

He is a small, young midfielder on a terrible team. It is not an ideal place to shine....but he is doing ok in my book.

The thing I find hilarious is the Carlton folk that protect Murphy and make excuses for him using the poor talent around him line would be the same idiots that use to say "Buckley is only a good player because he stands out on a crap team" in the 90's.

Sorry, I can't have that. He was a brilliant player. In a crap team.

 

[BlueBelle]

I would think Pendles and Thomas are a big part if why we are a better side than Carlton.

This BS that Murphy has had a heavy tag since day dot is a myth perpetrated by Carlton folk looking to make excuses for his second season being perceived as somewhat ordinary.

He is a small, young midfielder on a terrible team. It is not an ideal place to shine....but he is doing ok in my book.

The thing I find hilarious is the Carlton folk that protect Murphy and make excuses for him using the poor talent around him line would be the same idiots that use to say "Buckley is only a good player because he stands out on a crap team" in the 90's.

Take your black and white glasses off for a second.... Stevo down and out, who was our next best midfielder? Marc Murphy.

Not very ideal considering he was a second year player but unfortunately that was the case and yes he was tagged.

 

[mediumsizered]

I would think Pendles and Thomas are a big part if why we are a better side than Carlton.

This BS that Murphy has had a heavy tag since day dot is a myth perpetrated by Carlton folk looking to make excuses for his second season being perceived as somewhat ordinary.

He is a small, young midfielder on a terrible team. It is not an ideal place to shine....but he is doing ok in my book.

The thing I find hilarious is the Carlton folk that protect Murphy and make excuses for him using the poor talent around him line would be the same idiots that use to say "Buckley is only a good player because he stands out on a crap team" in the 90's.

You do realise that in his 11th game of AFL football (Round 11, 2006), Murphy was tagged by Tyson Stenglein. The following week, in his 12th game of AFL football, he was tagged, first by Brady Rawlings & then by Michael Firrito. In 2007, with no Nick Stevens to worry about, the opposition regularly singled Murphy out for attention of various types, including in the game against the Brisbane Lions, Troy Selwood blatantly punching Murphy in the 'bread basket' while the ball was more than 100 metres away (because the ball was so far away, no umpires or cameras saw the incident & Selwood escaped any attention from the MRP). This was to be expected, as there were very few other players in Carlton's midfield that would have been of concern to opposition coaches.

As Carlton supporters we have seen a lot more of Murphy in action than the majority of opposition supporters, so we have a bit more of an idea of what he has been up against in his 38 games of AFL football. Rest assured opposition coaches have been focussing more on Murphy in their match plans, than they have been on Thomas or Pendlebury. Partially because of Murphy's ability to win the ball & use it well, & also because of the lack of experienced players in Carlton's midfield to draw the attention of opposition 'stoppers'.

 

[Silvagnis]

I would think Pendles and Thomas are a big part if why we are a better side than Carlton.

This BS that Murphy has had a heavy tag since day dot is a myth perpetrated by Carlton folk looking to make excuses for his second season being perceived as somewhat ordinary.

He is a small, young midfielder on a terrible team. It is not an ideal place to shine....but he is doing ok in my book.

The thing I find hilarious is the Carlton folk that protect Murphy and make excuses for him using the poor talent around him line would be the same idiots that use to say "Buckley is only a good player because he stands out on a crap team" in the 90's.

Don't care.

Collingwood would have picked Murphy ahead of both Pendlebury and Thomas if he was there two or five.

Murphy has done more and done it for longer than both your players since he debuted.

Marc was regarded by some as the only home run in his draft.

My view on that still hasn't changed after seeing Pendlebury, Ryder and Thomas play footy.

^
Funny how you didn't argue about finals.

I didn't?

 

[Collingwoodrow]

Rest assured opposition coaches have been focussing more on Murphy in their match plans, than they have been on Thomas or Pendlebury.

You are in a navy blue and white four walled world........

Lets focus on the Murphy scouting report from 2006-2007 when the oposition had the ball in one word.....unaccountable.

In 2006 in that scary game at Subi where he played his nuts off he was awesome. In 2007 Stenglein was near best on ground in rnd3 or 4 against him with nearly 30 touches going the other way.

He is a good player...no doubt. But the truth is if you guys stop believing in him as being anything other than a future legend of the game (same with Gibbs)......that the light at the end of the tunnel seems to get a lot smaller and far less bright - hence your reasons for over rating your own.

 

[Lupton Warchild Pittman]

Collingwood would have picked Murphy ahead of both Pendlebury and Thomas if he was there two or five.

And if the draft was now, we would have taken Pendlebury and Thomas ahead of Murphy.

Murphy wouldn't have "aided" us either in 06' or 07'. Sure he gets disposals in the forward line, but he's rather limited. Pendlebury/Thomas have/can both play forward in addition to playing in the midfield. Murphy can't.

 

[mediumsizered]

And if the draft was now, we would have taken Pendlebury and Thomas ahead of Murphy.

Murphy wouldn't have "aided" us either in 06' or 07'. Sure he gets disposals in the forward line, but he's rather limited. Pendlebury/Thomas have/can both play forward in addition to playing in the midfield. Murphy can't.

You do realise Pendlebury hasn't kicked a goal this year? And is only averaging 16 disposals per game? By comparison, Murphy has kicked 3 goals & is averaging 22 disposals per game, in a team that has yet to win a game for the season. So Murphy is ahead of Pendlebury in both his midfield output & forward output (I haven't bothered with Thomas' stats because he plays mostly as a HF, much like his teammate Medhurst, so that would be comparing apples & oranges).

 

[Lupton Warchild Pittman]

You do realise Pendlebury hasn't kicked a goal this year? And is only averaging 16 disposals per game? By comparison, Murphy has kicked 3 goals & is averaging 22 disposals per game, in a team that has yet to win a game for the season.

We've played 3 games in 08, it's a bit too early to make comparisons just yet (that is why I used 06 & 07) including 06, 07 & 08. Pendles kicked 20 goals in 07, he is 190 CM & has a build suited to forward line play (FYI Tazz is only 1cm taller). Murphy hasn't, his best return in a season is 10 goals.

He has played shifts of a game on the likes of Bolton (the defender) from Sydney & McPhee from Essendon and taken them to the sword. Murphy will never be able to do this owing to his vanilla midget build. He simply doesn't have Pendlebury's height & his and DT's overhead skills. Both are more versalitile, that is why they bring more options to the table.

 

[Blues_Man]

It's a known fact that these ferals overrate thier players ...pendulbury has done nothing this year, while thomas flashes in and out of the game with either big marks or brain fades.

Murphy is a much better performed player than either ...only a fool or a feral would argue otherwise .

 

[blue gunslinger]

Regardless if one Carlton fan cheers Dale Thomas on tomorrow then they have to deal with me. He might play well, take a mark, kick a goal but he is a show pony AND plays for the filth. I say 2 poor man's thumbs down!

 

[PieLebo87]

As frustrating as this may seem to some, its actually an interesting discussion. Its rather immature and pointless to argue who will be the better player, because you just can't tell what may happen in a month, let alone a year. This is a good DISCUSSION only.

Its irritating to hear that Dale Thomas is an outsider because those people obviously watch very little Collingwood matches. Dale Thomas is one of our hardest at the footy and loves to be in a contest. He can run with the footy and can finish but is definitely not soft or an 'outsider'.

Stats such as possessions an average goals are really irrelevant in this discussion because its about the impact they have on the game with the dsposals. I cannot say a thing about Murphy, because I don't watch him, personally, but when you are playing as a midfielder, you are exposed to the footy a whole lot more, and you're prone to getting more opportunity at possessions. The difference between a good midfielder and a great midfielder is Nathan Buckley in his prime, where his disposal was damaging, and when he got it 30 times a game, it made a major difference with his immaculate kicking. Scott West is a champion midfielder, but he handballed alot more, so would you rather West's 40 possessions or Buckley's 30? I hope that made sense, and I know it was a shocking example.

Someone mentioned before that Murphy is an 'honest citizen' midfielder and Thomas is more of a matchwinner/showpony. I don't know if I can agree with that but I think the Magpies would be a whole lot better with Marc Murphy in its midfield and Carlton would be very impressive with Dale Thomas complimenting Fevola in the forward line. But obviously, us Pies supporters are more then happy with Daisy over Murph and vica versa with you guys.

Murph and Daisy play separate roles, and it is unfair to try and compare. Both will provide great viewing in years to come, and without a doubt, will be stars of the competition over the next decade. It'll create immaculate discussions over the years

 

[Pie eyed]

You do realise Pendlebury hasn't kicked a goal this year? And is only averaging 16 disposals per game? By comparison, Murphy has kicked 3 goals & is averaging 22 disposals per game, in a team that has yet to win a game for the season. So Murphy is ahead of Pendlebury in both his midfield output & forward output (I haven't bothered with Thomas' stats because he plays mostly as a HF, much like his teammate Medhurst, so that would be comparing apples & oranges).

If you visit our board you will notice that Pendles and Daisy's slow start to the year is no great secret. In fact most acknowledge that the Pies look a little underdone overall...but we have 2 wins and a 2 point loss to Brissy at home where we have won only one game since 1995. We're doing alright thanks.

Your young fellas are going ok but it pretty hard the compare as they don't play in the same situation...ala...the pressure of the loosing streak and long term lack of success onfield.

Good luck tomorrow,
Go Pies.

 

[FevolasFox]

I take it back, I take it all back, frustrated and very annoyed with our form this year, i must have been seeing red, today has convinced me we have mae the right choice.. I love ya smurph....



















Thomas is still a champ though...

 

[hellfire]

Murphy was all class today. Really carved us up. Certainly better than our whole team haha.

Thomas was pretty good considering how bad we were. He kicked 2, including that very good running goal from 50 which should've lifted us, and deserved 3 I thought (missed that one he worked really hard for before getting it touched off the boot). He didn't turn the ball over and worked pretty hard from limited game time.

Murphy certainly better on the day, but the jury is still out (on who will be better).

 

[[ToTTi]]

I take it back, I take it all back, frustrated and very annoyed with our form this year, i must have been seeing red, today has convinced me we have mae the right choice.. I love ya smurph....






Thomas is still a champ though...

Now this is an opinion of yours I like!

 

[Blues_Man]

I would think Pendles and Thomas are a big part if why we are a better side than Carlton.

This BS that Murphy has had a heavy tag since day dot is a myth perpetrated by Carlton folk looking to make excuses for his second season being perceived as somewhat ordinary.

He is a small, young midfielder on a terrible team. It is not an ideal place to shine....but he is doing ok in my book.

The thing I find hilarious is the Carlton folk that protect Murphy and make excuses for him using the poor talent around him line would be the same idiots that use to say "Buckley is only a good player because he stands out on a crap team" in the 90's.

Game enough to show your face in here feral and take your punishment ?
I'm tipping you won't . Murphy carved the pies up today .