Dan Connors - the forward?

[Bazzar]

In the old news? I don't get what point you're trying to make. He did it, now he's trying to improve and show himself as a different person but it takes a long time to build that trust back, he has a long way to go.

Point is simple. Way back i posted Nathan Browns take that since the preseason issue he has been nothing more than extremely professional and his attitude first class. So i responded to Juss who said he has a poor attitude and off field issues which is clearly false unless someone can prove otherwise.

And how do you know he has a long way to go? D o you know something we dont.

 

[dean33]

Talented, but I reckon he has a poor attitude, doesn't work hard enough, has off field issues and is a selfish footballer. Don't think he will make it, but obviously hope he does. Second half of this year is his last chance.

agree wholeheartedly with this... people getting carried away by saturday. didnt show much difference to what he has in the past.

 

[Bazzar]

agree wholeheartedly with this... people getting carried away by saturday. didnt show much difference to what he has in the past.

So you also agree he has a poor attitude and off field issues.

 

[DrMike]

Point is simple. Way back i posted Nathan Browns take that since the preseason issue he has been nothing more than extremely professional and his attitude first class. So i responded to Juss who said he has a poor attitude and off field issues which is clearly false unless someone can prove otherwise.

And how do you know he has a long way to go? D o you know something we dont.

Because, given past examples such as Cousins and Fevola, their issues haven't gone away. While Connors may have behaved with nothing but professionalism and attitude this year, he broke the trust of the playing group, the club and the supporters and that blemish on his record will never go away. It's something he will have to continue to live with for the rest of his career and only something you can really assess at the end of his career.

The things Connors did impacts on the brand that is Richmond football club and he may have cost the club members as a result, no I have nothing to back that up but that's the way of image. Obviously for Connors to be where he is, he's built the trust back up with the playing group and the club, now he has to prove that he's a player the club will stick with and one the fans can respect. While the inner coterie may respect him, he has a long way to go for everyone else to.

I know he had off field issues, a fact is a fact. I don't know if he has a poor attitude but for a player to be given the opportunity to play with a club and then throw that in their face by having the issues he did, that makes you think that his attitude was poor. I really hope he has sorted his life out and can become a great player.

I thought he played well on the weekend but you're probably reading too much into what everyone says, people are going to criticise him because of his past and you can't change peoples opinions on that.

 

[jstone]

My opinion was similar to a recent post (surprised and nervous at his inclusion in the team). He definently won a bit of respect back from me. Sure all the credit should go to robbie nahas for his takle that led to the conners goal, but he put it through the sticks when it counted. I think he played a decent game in the conditions, and deserves another run up forward. If we are scared of his kicking, atleast he will only turn it over taking a mark inside 50, or kicking inside 50 while playing forward, therefore nearly eliminating his weakness. Like everyone is saying, if he picks up the pressure and enthusiasm, we may have another sneaky/talented forward that gets other teams worried.
I say give him more game time!

 

[Del65166]

Deserves another chance IMO.

It'll be much more of a test against Adelaide but at least we'll know if we've found a HFF.

 

[Bazzar]

I thought he played well on the weekend but you're probably reading too much into what everyone says, people are going to criticise him because of his past and you can't change peoples opinions on that.

You miss my point. I dont care about his past. What i was on about was how it was mentioned he has off field issues, and i was wondering what they are at the moment.

 

[Goldust]

Because, given past examples such as Cousins and Fevola, their issues haven't gone away. While Connors may have behaved with nothing but professionalism and attitude this year, he broke the trust of the playing group, the club and the supporters and that blemish on his record will never go away. It's something he will have to continue to live with for the rest of his career and only something you can really assess at the end of his career.

The things Connors did impacts on the brand that is Richmond football club and he may have cost the club members as a result, no I have nothing to back that up but that's the way of image. Obviously for Connors to be where he is, he's built the trust back up with the playing group and the club, now he has to prove that he's a player the club will stick with and one the fans can respect. While the inner coterie may respect him, he has a long way to go for everyone else to.

LET's at least be factual. We can debate the pros and cons of Daniel Connors' attitude, poor past record, the fact isf he has or hasn't turned over a new leaf, but accusations of lost members?????
Fact, when the Tigers recruited Ben Cousins, our membership exploded ....be cause of him.
What figure did our membership reach a mere week or two ago ... was it 50,000.
Connors costing the club mmebers .... BULLS**T.
I think a lot of people on here like to lead on they know more than they know about the situation, or think their opinion is the right one (hey and opinion is an opinion), truth is none of us know the real-depth of the Connors situation and we should all breathe a little easier for the time being knowing the guy has calmed down and is committed to playing good football.
People talking down his contribution on Saturday either have a grudge or don't know decent football if they see it!

 

[Jade's]

Actually he had 12 disposals for 0 clangers
http://www.afl.com.au/stats/tabid/73/default.aspx#page=player&roundid=1096&fixtureid=7758&teamid=42

Think you might be confusing clearances with clangers champ. 5 clangers 0 clearances

 

[Saturday@2]

Actually he had 12 disposals for 0 clangers
http://www.afl.com.au/stats/tabid/73/default.aspx#page=player&roundid=1096&fixtureid=7758&teamid=42

Actually that would be 0 clearances.

 

[Jade's]

LET's at least be factual. We can debate the pros and cons of Daniel Connors' attitude, poor past record, the fact isf he has or hasn't turned over a new leaf, but accusations of lost members?????
Fact, when the Tigers recruited Ben Cousins, our membership exploded ....be cause of him.
What figure did our membership reach a mere week or two ago ... was it 50,000.
Connors costing the club mmebers .... BULLS**T.
I think a lot of people on here like to lead on they know more than they know about the situation, or think their opinion is the right one (hey and opinion is an opinion), truth is none of us know the real-depth of the Connors situation and we should all breathe a little easier for the time being knowing the guy has calmed down and is committed to playing good football.
People talking down his contribution on Saturday either have a grudge or don't know decent football if they see it!

Or they expect more from a 24 year old flanker than what he has achieved and weren't blinded from an otherwise poor game by the fact he got on the end of three goals (two from the square)

 

[Goldust]

Or they expect more from a 24 year old flanker than what he has achieved and weren't blinded from an otherwise poor game by the fact he got on the end of three goals (two from the square)

His game was not poor .... I think you could comfortably say Connors was "busy" and put himself in good position to win the football.
Not disagreeing his career to this point has been disappointing, but his game Saturday was good and hopefully the start of something.

at how some posters here can almost tell you the precise minute Connors booted the ball out on the full, yet missed the fact both Cotchin and Deledio did it. It wasn't easy out there as our 20 behinds would suggest.

 

["The Roar Is Back"]

His game was not poor .... I think you could comfortably say Connors was "busy" and put himself in good position to win the football.
Not disagreeing his career to this point has been disappointing, but his game Saturday was good and hopefully the start of something.

at how some posters here can almost tell you the precise minute Connors booted the ball out on the full, yet missed the fact both Cotchin and Deledio did it. It wasn't easy out there as our 20 behinds would suggest.

IMO his 3 goals didn't come from a result of putting himself in a good position to win the footy . He was forward of the contest and put himself in the best position to fully capitalize should his teammates win the footy . Against better opposition he could have been exposed significantly like he was on a couple of occasions in the last , where his direct opponent rebounded pretty much unoppossed .

 

[Goldust]

IMO his 3 goals didn't come from a result of putting himself in a good position to win the footy . He was forward of the contest and put himself in the best position to fully capitalize should his teammates win the footy . Against better opposition he could have been exposed significantly like he was on a couple of occasions in the last , where his direct opponent rebounded pretty much unoppossed .

Please??????????
You'd be the first criticising him and the other forwards if the Nahas kick went in and there was no one there, which happened a few times on Saturday!!!!
Nothing can detract from the fact he slotted the two goals that counted, whatever spin you put on it!!!

 

["The Roar Is Back"]

Please??????????
You'd be the first criticising him and the other forwards if the Nahas kick went in and there was no one there, which happened a few times on Saturday!!!!
Nothing can detract from the fact he slotted the two goals that counted, whatever spin you put on it!!!

Goals do count Goldy and yes he kicked 3 , the fact is all 3 were as a result of him running forward / out the back of the contest , not as a result of him winning the contest . Against better opposition the likelyhood of his teammates winning a 4-5 , 2-3 contest is going to be reduced . No spin just a pretty obvious fact . When he wins contests and contributes defensively , I'll be the first to acknowledge his efforts . However the infatuation with his game based on kicking 3 goals after recieving it uncontestd from teammates , yet the playing down of Jacks performance despite kicking the same amount of goals and winning many contested situations IMO, is a case of tall poppy syndrome .

 

[Goldust]

Particularly in the opening quarter, Connors contested the ball the best I have seen in years!!

 

[DrMike]

Think you might be confusing clearances with clangers champ. 5 clangers 0 clearances

Actually that would be 0 clearances.

Sorry was in a rush, thanks for pointing that out.

 

[DrMike]

LET's at least be factual. We can debate the pros and cons of Daniel Connors' attitude, poor past record, the fact isf he has or hasn't turned over a new leaf, but accusations of lost members?????
Fact, when the Tigers recruited Ben Cousins, our membership exploded ....be cause of him.
What figure did our membership reach a mere week or two ago ... was it 50,000.
Connors costing the club mmebers .... BULLS**T.
I think a lot of people on here like to lead on they know more than they know about the situation, or think their opinion is the right one (hey and opinion is an opinion), truth is none of us know the real-depth of the Connors situation and we should all breathe a little easier for the time being knowing the guy has calmed down and is committed to playing good football.
People talking down his contribution on Saturday either have a grudge or don't know decent football if they see it!

Those were two separate points, hence the two different paragraphs. You also missed what I was getting at. But you're naive if you think a player reputation has no negative impact on a club membership base, it's all about image. I'm not saying it may be a big loss, I have no idea, but I can guarantee there would be at least 1 person that stopped supporting Richmond because of Ben Cousins joining, Connors doesn't have the history or media coverage to have an impact like Cousins would. Not only that but look at the impact that off field drama has on a club, take St Kilda after the school girl incident, they were going great until that happened, it rocks a club and clubs try to avoid it.

In my mind, there is no way Richmond would continue with a player that has the potential to ruin their image and the fact that he's actually played for Richmond speaks a lot about how far he has come and what the internals think of him.

Also I know you're not implying that 50k members is because of Ben Cousins but just wanted to confirm.

You miss my point. I dont care about his past. What i was on about was how it was mentioned he has off field issues, and i was wondering what they are at the moment.

I got your point. Presumably he doesn't have any right now otherwise he wouldn't be playing.

 

[Bazzar]

I got your point. Presumably he doesn't have any right now otherwise he wouldn't be playing.

Subtle way of being subtle

 

[Drunken Wookie]

At this point in time he's looking like another Mitch Morton. Loves the flashy show-pony stuff but beyond that has no real presence or impact. Here's hoping he becomes a player of more substance.

 

[Bird Man]

At this point in time he's looking like another Mitch Morton. Loves the flashy show-pony stuff but beyond that has no real presence or impact. Here's hoping he becomes a player of more substance.

I dont get that at all from Connors ...

As i said before he is better than Miller and will be better with Vickery in the team with Connors being the third tall wich will be hard to deal with for opposition teams

 

[tigerdan]

We all have players that we have a set against. For me it's Jackson (oh, and Post too). I think there's a fair few on here who don't like Connors. Well fair enough.
But you'd have to say that you can't really ask for more than 3 goals from a player like him. Without trying to derail this, I am actually fairly happy to see Jackson playing good footy and playing in the right position. Likewise I think some of those who don't like Connors should take the blinkers off.

 

[Blood Meridian]

It was a smart move to bring Connors in against GWS. He looked primed for the contest.
His game was ok. He was busy in a very congested forward line. In the first half he made contests and looked dangerous. That's not the same as was dangerous and yet there was often more than 20 players inside our 50 and the ball wasn't exactly lace out when it entered.

If he retains his spot against Adelaide I would hope to see him playing in front at every opportunity and (always) punching if caught behind. That will be one indication of where his head is at. My hope is that always working in front will be drilled into him over the next two weeks in addition to expectations for some other KPIs. Three or four tackles inside 50 for a starter. Let's evaluate his game after we've got more than this very small sample size.

 

[Rubber Hips]

Dan Connors;

Debut 2007
Career Games = 28 (... just under 5 per season)
Career Goals = 10...

As other posters have said...this boy has still got a way to go (...it's make or break for him in 2012)
If anything, Daniel will be off-loaded to GWS come seasons end

 

[chrstphrwnstn]

Career Games = 28 (... just under 5 per season)
Career Goals = 10...

More than half of those games have been spent in defense. Can't expect him to kick much more than what he has from a HBF.