Dan Gorringe Value?

[Rankor]

pick 15-25 i would say.

Will be a very handy ruck once fit and developed.

 

[juss]

Second rounder + McGuane?

Could do a lot worse than McGuane as a second or third KPF. Certainly has deficiencies but is a fierce competitor and very good contested mark.

 

[TwentyNine]

The reality is that he's probably worth exactly where he was draft, Pick 10, but there's no way the Suns will get that for him because he hasn't shown a whole lot at AFL level just yet. They are pretty well set for rucks between Smith Nicholls & Dixon so they can afford to give him up, but sad to say they might not get much value for him. If he wants to leave, they will probably get a second rounder or something for him, or worse, they'll just lose him to the draft. The "Ben Jacobs" scenario is pretty likely.

 

[Sanders]

The reality is that he's probably worth exactly where he was draft, Pick 10, but there's no way the Suns will get that for him because he hasn't shown a whole lot at AFL level just yet.

How is that the reality?

He's a massively underperforming, former high pick

Whatever happens he's worth a lot less than his original draft rating

 

[dlanod]

How is that the reality?

He's a massively underperforming, former high pick

Whatever happens he's worth a lot less than his original draft rating

He's a ruck who's been in the comp three years. He's about exactly where normal people would expect him, especially with his injuries.

 

[PykeDream]

He'd go for a first round pick, as he was one, he's only been in the system for 2 years.
Why the hell would people say "Yeah, 3rd round pick"...
Cale Hooker last year, people were saying, yeah he's worth a 4th rounder, St.Kilda offered us 2 second round picks, we said no.
KPP's and Rucks are worth their weight in gold, especially ones picked in the first round.

Been on a senior list for 3 years, 2014 will be his fourth.

10 disposals, 11 hitouts and a third of a goal as an average over the 7 games he's played of 63 possible.

Not sure the Hooker example is the best one...

Could be a gem for someone but GC shouldn't expect much for him.

 

[It Just Is]

Gorringe has shown more then enough to suggest he'll make it at AFL level. Looks very composed and polished with ball in hand. Can't ask for much more than that from a young ruckman.

 

[Sanders]

He's a ruck who's been in the comp three years. He's about exactly where normal people would expect him, especially with his injuries.

Utter nonsense

 

[dlanod]

Utter nonsense

Random selection of team's rucks in their three years after their debut (so biased towards those who were mature recruits, and those who set whole years on the bench or out with injury):

Griffin - 30 games in first three years, average about 7 possessions, 12 hitouts, 0.1 goals.
Clarke - 21 games, 11 disposals, 11 hitouts, 0.28 goals
Bellchambers - 14 games, 7.5 disposals, 9 hitouts, 0.1 goals
Warnock - 21 games, 10 disposals, 0.2 goals, 9.5 hitouts
Leuenberger - 22 games, 7.5 disposals, 0.1 goals, 11.6 hitouts
Jacobs - 36 games, 0.15 goals, 11.5 disposals, 26.5 hitouts
Brogan - 31 games, 9 disposals, 0.25 goals, 14.4 hitouts
Max Bailey - 4 games, 5 disposals, 0 goals, 5.75 hitouts
Jamar - 20 games, 9.2 hitouts, 4.75 disposals, 0.15 goals

Yes, Gorringe has played about half the games you'd hope for him, obviously due to injury, but his performances during the games (using Thommo's stats of 10 disposals, 11 hitouts and a third of a goal) are pretty much on par with what you'd expect. Note that only rucks that are/could be a first ruck are included.

Far too much research for a catchy "utter nonsense" response, I know, but ultimately he is basically where normal and reasonable viewers of AFL would expect a ruck to be.

 

[Scotty_222]

Second rounder + McGuane?

Could do a lot worse than McGuane as a second or third KPF. Certainly has deficiencies but is a fierce competitor and very good contested mark.

i wouldnt mind that.. problem is we have to cut our list.
i dare say we trade him as part of a upgraded pick..

 

[Sunny_]

Tiges have been trying to palm off McGuane for years.

 

[juss]

Tiges have been trying to palm off McGuane for years.

And will keep trying

 

[tigs2010]

Tiges have been trying to palm off McGuane for years.

Now he's actually playing well.

 

[Scotty_222]

i liked him in the forward line at the start of the year.. just needs to practice his kicking

 

[SumTingWong]

i liked him in the forward line at the start of the year.. just needs to practice his kicking

He does..............about 6-7 times on the weekends

 

[Sunny_]

Some growing belief that he will stay at the Suns after all.

 

[Sanders]

Random selection of team's rucks in their three years after their debut (so biased towards those who were mature recruits, and those who set whole years on the bench or out with injury):

Griffin - 30 games in first three years, average about 7 possessions, 12 hitouts, 0.1 goals.
Clarke - 21 games, 11 disposals, 11 hitouts, 0.28 goals
Bellchambers - 14 games, 7.5 disposals, 9 hitouts, 0.1 goals
Warnock - 21 games, 10 disposals, 0.2 goals, 9.5 hitouts
Leuenberger - 22 games, 7.5 disposals, 0.1 goals, 11.6 hitouts
Jacobs - 36 games, 0.15 goals, 11.5 disposals, 26.5 hitouts
Brogan - 31 games, 9 disposals, 0.25 goals, 14.4 hitouts
Max Bailey - 4 games, 5 disposals, 0 goals, 5.75 hitouts
Jamar - 20 games, 9.2 hitouts, 4.75 disposals, 0.15 goals

Yes, Gorringe has played about half the games you'd hope for him, obviously due to injury, but his performances during the games (using Thommo's stats of 10 disposals, 11 hitouts and a third of a goal) are pretty much on par with what you'd expect. Note that only rucks that are/could be a first ruck are included.

Far too much research for a catchy "utter nonsense" response, I know, but ultimately he is basically where normal and reasonable viewers of AFL would expect a ruck to be.

Wrong. Those were mostly low rated, speculative rucks.

A large number of them were rookies.

If you want to compare rookie projects with top 10 picks go ahead, but your "research" is biased & flawed.

You might also consider the predictive value of a negative sample i.e. those who have done nothing after 3 years and continue to do nothing

 

[dlanod]

Wrong. Those were mostly low rated, speculative rucks.

A large number of them were rookies.

If you want to compare rookie projects with top 10 picks go ahead, but your "research" is biased & flawed.

You might also consider the predictive value of a negative sample i.e. those who have done nothing after 3 years and continue to do nothing

Those were a random selection from clubs' lists. Since you don't seem to be inclined to provide any data to the contrary, I'll assume the point conceded.

 

[aussierulesrules]

Some growing belief that he will stay at the Suns after all.

Wouldn't you be better off trading him if there were clubs willing to pay a decent price for him? Not like you desperately need him, I wouldn't have thought, given you have Smith, Nicholls, Dixon, Lynch and Thompson looking like they're ahead of him in the pecking order for a spot in the 22 and are all around the same size, or taller than him.

Get yourself a good trade for him like you did for Hickey last year and get someone out of the trade that will actually be likely to be in your best 22 going forward. At the very least you could use a draft pick you get for him to help you to move up the draft order. Maybe trade whatever you get for him and your end-of-first-round compo pick for a pick in the teens somewhere?

 

[Sunny_]

Wouldn't you be better off trading him if there were clubs willing to pay a decent price for him? Not like you desperately need him, I wouldn't have thought, given you have Smith, Nicholls, Dixon, Lynch and Thompson looking like they're ahead of him in the pecking order for a spot in the 22 and are all around the same size, or taller than him.

Get yourself a good trade for him like you did for Hickey last year and get someone out of the trade that will actually be likely to be in your best 22 going forward. At the very least you could use a draft pick you get for him to help you to move up the draft order. Maybe trade whatever you get for him and your end-of-first-round compo pick for a pick in the teens somewhere?

Dixon, Lynch and Thompson aren't rucks. We don't want to be using them there. Day is the same. They should be at the key position ends.

Smith is coming back from an ACL and will be gone for a while. Who knows if he will ever get back to the form he had?

That leaves the club with only two genuine rucks, Nicholls and Gorringe. Both can play in the same side, one as a resting ruck.

With Gorringe gone, our ruck depth suddenly becomes very shallow. Nicholls would be our only fit 'ruck' at the start of next year, and it's taking a big gamble on having Smith back playing seniors ASAP.

 

[Schulzenfest]

You can have Renouf in the trade then

Hell, you can have him for pick 90 without the trade.

 

[Sunny_]

You can have Renouf in the trade then

Hell, you can have him for pick 90 without the trade.

GOOD rucks.

 

[Schulzenfest]

Aww, but he's from Southport! Think of the marketing potential. 'Premiership ruck superstar comes home to the Gold Coast!' Surely an extra 5 or 10 thousand memberships from that. Especially since nobody on the Gold Coast would have any idea who Renouf is so they wouldn't realise he's a dinosaur

 

[aussierulesrules]

Dixon, Lynch and Thompson aren't rucks. We don't want to be using them there. Day is the same. They should be at the key position ends.

That may be the case but surely you wouldn't want to be playing 2 "rucks" plus Dixon, Lynch and Thompson, who are all 199cm+, plus Day. That would make you the tallest team of all time.

Smith is coming back from an ACL and will be gone for a while. Who knows if he will ever get back to the form he had?

That leaves the club with only two genuine rucks, Nicholls and Gorringe. Both can play in the same side, one as a resting ruck.

With Gorringe gone, our ruck depth suddenly becomes very shallow. Nicholls would be our only fit 'ruck' at the start of next year, and it's taking a big gamble on having Smith back playing seniors ASAP.

What you would do if you traded Gorringe is get in a cheaper ruck option to provide that back-up. I don't think there is any need to have someone with as much trade value as Gorringe just as back-up.

 

[Sunny_]

We already have a Southport legend.