Dane Swan.... Shane O'Bree MKII???

[shawthing09]

Is Swanny going to end up the upgraded version of O'Bree. IIRC Shane was a very good runner into space racking up loose ball gets before working into the inside player that he is and continues to do that aswell as doing a lot of the hard work around the clearances.

Swanny is getting better inside every week. Is quicker and a better quick the O'Bree and has always been a great hard worker into space to get the loose ball. Will Swanny ever be as good around the clearances as O'Bree to play that role????

 

[Pedro]

Will Swanny ever be as good around the clearances as O'Bree to play that role????

Check out his finals series last year. He was a clearance machine. He can definately play inside. He's a very clever footballer. I just wish he could kick a bit better. An upgraded version of O'Bree probably isn't too bad a description.

 

[Pies_10]

Its not a bad description but id like to think that hes a better player than that.

 

[Godfrey Jones]

Its not a bad description but id like to think that hes a better player than that.

yeh. i was actually insulted by the title

but nah o'bree's an underrated player so lets not bag him too much.

 

[__DaVE]

if o'bree could improve his kicking he would be a much better player. he is very important to our team as when either he or burnsy are not in the contest, we lose more clearnance than we win. although didak seems veyr capable with clearances this year too...

 

[jonesy86]

O'Bree need the dreadies back...played his best season ever in '01 .

 

[Nardz]

if o'bree could improve his kicking he would be a much better player. he is very important to our team as when either he or burnsy are not in the contest, we lose more clearnance than we win. although didak seems veyr capable with clearances this year too...

we lose more clearances than we win regardless.

 

[cakewalk_1]

if o'bree could improve his kicking he would be a much better player. he is very important to our team as when either he or burnsy are not in the contest, we lose more clearnance than we win. although didak seems veyr capable with clearances this year too...

You are kidding. O'bree's best has past him by. I hate getting stuck into players BUT........

He lacks pace in the midfield.
He doesn't go in for the hard ball (this year anyway)
He can't hit a player on the chest under pressure. Or under mild pressure.

He has been a soldier for the pies for the last few years but unfortunately his best is behind him. Sorry!

 

[__DaVE]

You are kidding. O'bree's best has past him by. I hate getting stuck into players BUT........

He lacks pace in the midfield.
He doesn't go in for the hard ball (this year anyway)
He can't hit a player on the chest under pressure. Or under mild pressure.

He has been a soldier for the pies for the last few years but unfortunately his best is behind him. Sorry!

oh i agree that his best is behind him but until we have someone to cover his clearance work, he is still important to our team. he is however replaceable

 

[boulos]

I think O'Bree's an absolute machine.

Without a doubt the clearance king, and he actually has pretty good foot speed. I never realised this until I started watching him more closely in games, the way he chases and tackles is amazing. His defensive skills are second to none IMO.

Can't see why he is so underrated!

Spidey looks like turning into a similar player, and what a bonus it would be if he could become and "upgraded" version, i.e. Better disposal by foot.

 

[boulos]

You are kidding. O'bree's best has past him by. I hate getting stuck into players BUT........

He lacks pace in the midfield.
He doesn't go in for the hard ball (this year anyway)
He can't hit a player on the chest under pressure. Or under mild pressure.

He has been a soldier for the pies for the last few years but unfortunately his best is behind him. Sorry!

What makes you say this?

I would think he is one of the faster ones in the group without a doubt.

 

[__DaVE]

spidey?

 

[hellfire]

if o'bree could improve his kicking he would be a much better player. he is very important to our team as when either he or burnsy are not in the contest, we lose more clearnance than we win. although didak seems veyr capable with clearances this year too...

Didak's clearances are direct from hitouts, or from getting the dish out. Swanny can play the extracting role, and give it out to Didak.

I think Swan will be (and is) a better player than Obree. Once he rectifies his drop in quality of disposal, he'll be an out and out gun.

 

[boulos]

spidey?

Swan's nickname, something to do with last year's brownlow medal count coenciding with mad monday.

 

[shawthing09]

I think O'Bree's an absolute machine.

Without a doubt the clearance king, and he actually has pretty good foot speed. I never realised this until I started watching him more closely in games, the way he chases and tackles is amazing. His defensive skills are second to none IMO.

Can't see why he is so underrated!

Spidey looks like turning into a similar player, and what a bonus it would be if he could become and "upgraded" version, i.e. Better disposal by foot.

You overrate 'bree as a clearance player. He is the kind for us but well down on the leagues best players clearance players. The likes of Mitchell, Harris, Cross, Bartell, Judd, Priddis (gets a lot of soft ones but is very good around the clearances) etc etc. Considering that it is his main strength their are a massive group of players considerably better then him at it.

 

[ralu]

You are kidding. O'bree's best has past him by. I hate getting stuck into players BUT........

He lacks pace in the midfield.
He doesn't go in for the hard ball (this year anyway)
He can't hit a player on the chest under pressure. Or under mild pressure.

He has been a soldier for the pies for the last few years but unfortunately his best is behind him. Sorry!

What juice are you drinking?

OB is our best clearance player, i would call that hardball.

 

[Nardz]

What juice are you drinking?

OB is our best clearance player, i would call that hardball.

once upon a time perhaps - but i'm starting to become of the belief that this is a misconception due to past performance/expectation.

O'bree is one of a few players that i believe don't offer us much anymore.

 

[Jabso]

You are kidding. O'bree's best has past him by. I hate getting stuck into players BUT........

He lacks pace in the midfield.
He doesn't go in for the hard ball (this year anyway)
He can't hit a player on the chest under pressure. Or under mild pressure.

He has been a soldier for the pies for the last few years but unfortunately his best is behind him. Sorry!

Isn't he #1 or #2 in hardball gets?

 

[Brent24]

Isn't he #1 or #2 in hardball gets?

2nd in contested possesions, only just behind Swan. Number 1 in clearances by a long shot. (to Swan in 2nd)

Still quite useful to our side judging by that.

 

[adzarani]

You overrate 'bree as a clearance player. He is the kind for us but well down on the leagues best players clearance players. The likes of Mitchell, Harris, Cross, Bartell, Judd, Priddis (gets a lot of soft ones but is very good around the clearances) etc etc. Considering that it is his main strength their are a massive group of players considerably better then him at it.

O'Bree averages 69% game time in 2008, the same as Robert Harvey.

Swan at 74% is playing nearly 20% less game time than Sam Mitchell, and 10-15% less game time than the other leading clearance players.

TOG: 2008

Mitchell 92%, Cross 87%, Bartell 88%, Judd 84%, Priddis 83%

It's a big ask to expect them to match up their numbers when Mitchell is playing roughly 5 more games a year in game time than Swan if they both played every H & A match.

 

[The Dawes]

once upon a time perhaps - but i'm starting to become of the belief that this is a misconception due to past performance/expectation.

O'bree is one of a few players that i believe don't offer us much anymore.

According to the Pies website 42% of O'Bree's 302 possessions this year have been contested - without comparing I would suggest this is well above the league average and in fact probably amongst the elite for a midfielder.

 

[The Dawes]

As a quick follow up to the above; Burnsy, Pendles and Swan are all at 32% for the season.

 

[Nardz]

According to the Pies website 42% of O'Bree's 302 possessions this year have been contested - without comparing I would suggest this is well above the league average and in fact probably amongst the elite for a midfielder.

if you think o'bree is an elite midfielder, then i'm at a loss to describe how dilluded you are.

 

[The Dawes]

O'Bree is elite as far as winning contested possesions is concerned and if that makes me "dilluded" then so be it.

Read the post in it's context in future.

 

[shawthing09]

if you think o'bree is an elite midfielder, then i'm at a loss to describe how dilluded you are.

I think it is obvious he was saying the amount og contested possies he gets would be towards the top in the league and hence that facet of his game is elite