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tigerz18 said:
We just cant seem to draft them or have them come to us in the off season . They need to be in fyfes ear from jan 1st 2017.
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If they're not in his ear already or even discussing him with Freo for this coming season then they're negligent. Need to be an early bird to get the gun.
 

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sregit said:
If they're not in his ear already or even discussing him with Freo for this coming season then they're negligent. Need to be an early bird to get the gun.
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Should of just drafted him in the first place, if you read articles fom back then you would know Fyfe wasn't some surprise star he just needed some developing. He was taken in the same draft as Martin, Martin was pick 3 which was an obvious pick, but to take Ben Griffiths (nothing against him) at pick 19 when Fyfe went at pick 20 is just stupid IMO, worse than the Conca/Heppell mess up. Who made these decisions? Surely no longer employed even at junior level.
 
Sassafras said:
Should of just drafted him in the first place, if you read articles fom back then you would know Fyfe wasn't some surprise star he just needed some developing. He was taken in the same draft as Martin, Martin was pick 3 which was an obvious pick, but to take Ben Griffiths (nothing against him) at pick 19 when Fyfe went at pick 20 is just stupid IMO, worse than the Conca/Heppell mess up. Who made these decisions? Surely no longer employed even at junior level.
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Plenty of other clubs passed him up too. 200cm key forwards who can kick the ball like a mule don't grow on trees. If only they knew he was going to be as inconsistent and injury-riddled as he has been. Also had we picked up another skinny kid.... well he probably wouldn't have put on weight at RFC.... he'd be Ben Nason size still :p
 
partycorolla said:
Plenty of other clubs passed him up too. 200cm key forwards who can kick the ball like a mule don't grow on trees. If only they knew he was going to be as inconsistent and injury-riddled as he has been.
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His fragile body was the no.1 thing against him at draft time pc, could well have been top-5 on draft hype without the body concerns - much like Butcher of the same era.

I argued at the time and have several times since that it was a risk we couldn't afford to take, regardless of how it panned out long term. A club that has just decimated its list with a dozen plus list changes in one season, who plans to rebuild almost solely from the draft, cannot afford to take a risk on players who have durability issues, no matter what their potential upside.

The risky stuff with big potential upside like the above needs to come well after the fundamentals like a durable and capable enough spine are planned for and covered. We gave away a very capable KPF in Schulz for a can of beans, thumbed our nose up at several great ruck trade options, and covered the absence of this kind of good long term planning with Griffiths and a bloody big question mark which still remains unanswered in any way meaningful to our future planning.
 
Rayzorwire said:
His fragile body was the no.1 thing against him at draft time pc, could well have been top-5 on draft hype without the body concerns - much like Butcher of the same era.

I argued at the time and have several times since that it was a risk we couldn't afford to take, regardless of how it panned out long term. A club that has just decimated its list with a dozen plus list changes in one season, who plans to rebuild almost solely from the draft, cannot afford to take a risk on players who have durability issues, no matter what their potential upside.

The risky stuff with big potential upside like the above needs to come well after the fundamentals like a durable and capable enough spine are planned for and covered. We gave away a very capable KPF in Schulz for a can of beans, thumbed our nose up at several great ruck trade options, and covered the absence of this kind of good long term planning with Griffiths and a bloody big question mark which still remains unanswered in any way meaningful to our future planning.
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Yet we keep picking safe types early Rayzor.... We have a catch 22. We can't always develop players so we pick safe options and then we have no flair. We also pick some riskier options but they rarely seem to come off. Football department spending (or lack of it) has been one reason we haven't been able to take the step up to the big boys... over decades. It hamstrung Wallace, Frawley, Walls and hasn't been much better for DH. Off-field is supposedly sorted so now there are no excuses to not actually invest in the most important department.
 

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partycorolla said:
Yet we keep picking safe types early Rayzor.... We have a catch 22. We can't always develop players so we pick safe options and then we have no flair. We also pick some riskier options but they rarely seem to come off.
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I'm not sure we can even begin to judge the 'potential flair' of one single player on our list with Dimmer stubbornly clinging to that handful of rags he calls a game plan, pc. ;)

Ironically, Reiwoldt was considered a massive risk which is why he fell to us and without that surname he may well have gone well into the 2nd round. The risk part was his running (maybe waddling was a better description at the time) ability never improving and I think his obvious natural football ability made it worth that risk.

I don't think we can afford obvious durability risks now and we certainly couldn't then, but I'm open to taking a risk on a natural footballer with a solid chance to average 18-20 games a year.
 

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Rayzorwire said:
I'm not sure we can even begin to judge the 'potential flair' of one single player on our list with Dimmer stubbornly clinging to that handful of rags he calls a game plan, pc. ;)

Ironically, Reiwoldt was considered a massive risk which is why he fell to us and without that surname he may well have gone well into the 2nd round. The risk part was his running (maybe waddling was a better description at the time) ability never improving and I think his obvious natural football ability made it worth that risk.

I don't think we can afford obvious durability risks now and we certainly couldn't then, but I'm open to taking a risk on a natural footballer with a solid chance to average 18-20 games a year.
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So he's retired now. What about Boomer or Dal?
 
partycorolla said:
Weren't we talking about Dane Swan? But he has retired now.... asking your thoughts about other senior guys who could help with standards, knowledge etc...
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Lol, ok, sorry, I'm with it now. ;)

Boomer I'd consider if we were starting afresh with a new coach in 2017 and just really wanted to drive home the difference between what it takes and where we've been coasting. I'm certain he wouldn't play under Hardwick.

Foley and Jackson were consummate professionals in every step of their preparation, between them and the raw guts and courage of Tuck (and I'll throw in King on occasion when he wasn't injured or busy tripping over his head) there were so many times when there was a rock solid example of not only how to give football your best each week at training and home, but also how one gung-ho big-bodied mid can turn slides in games around through sheer will and effort.

They were all Wallace era players and their will, hardness and professionalism has not been replaced. Apparently nobody recognised it was even an asset. We replaced them with D-grade 'hard' men who probably shouldn't progress beyond VFL level. We're now looking to the likes of Cotchin and Deledio for those kinds of on-field examples and it's not the same at all - it's never unconditional and they're confirmed 'stars' - not average players whose g&d allows them to spar with the best and often win on sheer hardness and willpower.

They're not role models to the 'lesser' players and the way they themselves (our leadership group) talk about it, they see a clear divide between their ability and that of the 'lesser' players - who they constantly implore to go to a 'better' level, while regularly putting in piss-poor games themselves.

Simply put, Boomer's too good to even entertain involving himself in that kind of crap environment. If he were to arrive to a fresh one and we wanted a consummate professional example, he'd be a great fit.

If the Dogs don't cop the worst injury curse in football history again next year, it won't surprise me at all to see them very deep in September with a flying Boomer frightening every side they come up against.
 

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