Oppo Camp Dangerfield's Gone (Zero tolerance to trolling) - READ THREAD LINKED IN OP BEFORE POSTING

[BrissyCrow]

Just checked that post that had all our predictions ... which is a better indicator than the poll that was infested with posters not from our board / discussion

Dangerfield
OutofTownCrow - will sign before round 15, or he will leave via FA
Heafy83 - Sign before end of June otherwise gone
Allefgib - if we have a good year showing we will be a contender in coming years, will stay. Unlikely to sign before end of season. I think there are FA shenanigans to take care of.
alex_is_on_fire - gone
Daniel1812 - Gone (gut feel)
Scrotes2000 - Gone (70% certainty). Gut feeling is that he's already made up his mind and will go.
Geoffa32 - re-sign and be one club player
pjcrows - Gone
dayton - Stay (if we're good enough by midseason which I think we will be)
Barneythecrab - Stay
Glenno23 - Staying if Phil gets the on field right.... I'm 80% he's staying
The Sloane Ranger - Staying if Phil gets the on field right.... I'm 80% he's staying
CrowAboutIt - Staying if Phil gets the on field right.... I'm 60-70% he's staying
macca23- Staying if Phil gets the on field right.... I'm 80% he's staying
feenix67 - sstt...ggg...stta...gggg....stay
Kane McGoodwin - Staying if Phil gets the on field right.... I'm 80% he's staying
Golumless - 95% staying
Tex Support - Relax you guys, he's staying
Froggy - Stay
Samcro24 - Gone. Long gone. Prove me wrong Paddy.
Sanders - I just do not believe danger hasnt made up his mind.
Jeffcrowe - 40% chance of staying , likely leaving
FantasticShirt - Staying if Phil gets the on field right.... I'm 80% he's staying
rocket18 - Gone
AFC979810 - Goneski
jackster83 - long gone, since before Sando got sacked. Just trying to eek more money out of his destination club (don't rule out the Hawks).
jumboprince - Staying
BrissyCrow - Stay
Schulzycrow - If we do well this season stay.
Redleg Crow - Stay + Brownlow
WFL - Gone

Yep I did believe he would stay. I guess its a personal thing. We all have different levels of the value we place on ethics, commitment, valuing friendship, compassion etc etc etc and I genuinely believed Danger had very high standards. I even commented that if Danger did leave he would make sure the club didn't get screwed. I felt this because I again believed that Danger actually loved the club.

Now I am hoping that he will not let the club get screwed rather than being confident that he will not let the club get screwed.

 

[BrissyCrow]

9 and Murdoch might not be the equivalent of PD but it's way better than a measly compo pick, and would be a huge shock to we-should-get-him-for-nothing-Geelong. I'd do that deal for sure.

To me this suggestion is realistic.

Many on here are asking for something that has never been given before. If we go in demanding something unrealistic (this doesn't mean we don't go hard)then we run the chance of getting nothing. We all need to look at the past to determine what is realistic. When Geelong lost Ablett they got 2 first rounders. Franklin got a late first rounder.

There is a difference between what we would like and what we get. The past seems to suggest at best we will get 2 first rounders or a first rounder and a player. But for those that think we will get three pieces I think you are going to be disappointed. Those that believe we will get 3 pieced are going to hold the club accountable to achieving that and then when its all over they will be on here talking about how weak the club was.

We need to be realistic. Sure the club could try for 3 pieces but we need to be happy with the club if we only get two pieces for Danger.

I would be happy with a 1st rounder and a decent player but we don't hand over anything else. If we want to trade Mackay then that's a separate deal.

 

[Jars458]

I'm not sure if I interpreted your post correctly but to be more accurate, the poll on the "Re-signing Tex, Danger and Sloane" thread: "Your thoughts on Dangerfield?", 35% said he was staying. They did not vote "hoped he was staying" but voted they thought he was staying. Some people may have voted with their heart and not their head but that is just speculation. To the majority of posters it was patently obvious he was going. I agree there was always some chance PD would defy history but it was never a 50/50 coin toss outcome. Put simply, most poster thought he was gone and they were right.

Well take you medal and move off then. Hoooorayyyyyyy for you.

 

[TheLeftFist8]

To me this suggestion is realistic.

Many on here are asking for something that has never been given before. If we go in demanding something unrealistic (this doesn't mean we don't go hard)then we run the chance of getting nothing. We all need to look at the past to determine what is realistic. When Geelong lost Ablett they got 2 first rounders. Franklin got a late first rounder.

There is a difference between what we would like and what we get. The past seems to suggest at best we will get 2 first rounders or a first rounder and a player. But for those that think we will get three pieces I think you are going to be disappointed. Those that believe we will get 3 pieced are going to hold the club accountable to achieving that and then when its all over they will be on here talking about how weak the club was.

We need to be realistic. Sure the club could try for 3 pieces but we need to be happy with the club if we only get two pieces for Danger.

I would be happy with a 1st rounder and a decent player but we don't hand over anything else. If we want to trade Mackay then that's a separate deal.

Ablett and Franklin have nothing to do with it as they are different situations…one a compo system for expansion club selections, the other for FA compensation.

Once we match the offer Danger belongs to neither of these scenarios and free agency is absolutely 100% irrelevant.

So when we look to the past to determine relevance the closest trade would appear to be Judd. Beams not far off because while i believe he may have been under contract his value isn't as high as Dangerfield.

 

[Mego Red]

It won't be Cockatoo!

They spent big getting him last year; they need to keep him and prove how smart they and and how right they were to trade up for a player who's played one good game in a couple of years.

They NEED him to stay.

 

[Mego Red]

9 and Murdoch might not be the equivalent of PD but it's way better than a measly compo pick, and would be a huge shock to we-should-get-him-for-nothing-Geelong. I'd do that deal for sure.

That's not enough, and they would be laughing at us if we agreed.

 

[Mego Red]

To me this suggestion is realistic.

Many on here are asking for something that has never been given before. If we go in demanding something unrealistic (this doesn't mean we don't go hard)then we run the chance of getting nothing. We all need to look at the past to determine what is realistic. When Geelong lost Ablett they got 2 first rounders. Franklin got a late first rounder.

There is a difference between what we would like and what we get. The past seems to suggest at best we will get 2 first rounders or a first rounder and a player. But for those that think we will get three pieces I think you are going to be disappointed. Those that believe we will get 3 pieced are going to hold the club accountable to achieving that and then when its all over they will be on here talking about how weak the club was.

We need to be realistic. Sure the club could try for 3 pieces but we need to be happy with the club if we only get two pieces for Danger.

I would be happy with a 1st rounder and a decent player but we don't hand over anything else. If we want to trade Mackay then that's a separate deal.

Burgoyne was two first rounds. Brad Ottens was to get him to Geelong.

Dangerfield has nothing in common with Franklin or Ablett. They were compo selections and we are trading an out of contract player.

 

[footy4ever]

That's not enough, and they would be laughing at us if we agreed.

They won't be laughing at anything they have to give considering they think they should be paying a big fat zero. That deal would be so preferable to the Compo pick and is realistic and it costs Geelong. No deal will make up for Danger, but that's how RFA works unfortunately.

 

[baldandbroke]

Just watched the Footy Classified segment:

http://www.9jumpin.com.au/show/footyclassified/episodes/2015/episode-28/episode-28/

Starts at about 28:30

Caro - 100% going to just Geelong, believe Adelaide will refuse compensation - it’s a moving feast, all sort of talk go around at the moment - hearing player and pick 9 - Geelong adamant that they will not trade any picks from next year - wish I could tell you more

Lyon - Mentioned Chris Scott said he thought it was amicable but might be out of his hands , talked down the melbourne offer, was never on the table (confirmed by Caro)

And then this little gem involving Hutchy …

Hutch - “I think Adelaide haven't probably managed expectations as well as they could have - so now they are in a position where they have got to try to haggle - thankfully they have got a good relationship with Geelong who want to be fair minded

Lloyd - “Geelong cant be silly about it, I think about the two first rounders is about right for Patty Dangerfield”

Lyon - "I would of thought so as well"

Hutch - <big frown and head shake> "they won’t give up that"

Lyon - “Won’t they?”

Hutch - "Nope"

Lyon - "What would they give up?

Lloyd - "Well pick 9 and a maybe player thats maybe first round class"

Hutch - <big head shake again>

Lyon - "Jordan Murdoch’s name has been bantered around"

Hutch - "We won’t get caught up in the nuances of the deal but the cats have got much more leverage here than the crows do"

Lyon - "Well we suspect he is going to be in Geelong colours anyway, and that will be a great fillip for the Geelong footy club"​

God sake he is unbearable in general, but even worse when he is talking about his beloved Geelong.

 

[cm_perfect]

To me this suggestion is realistic.

Many on here are asking for something that has never been given before. If we go in demanding something unrealistic (this doesn't mean we don't go hard)then we run the chance of getting nothing. We all need to look at the past to determine what is realistic. When Geelong lost Ablett they got 2 first rounders. Franklin got a late first rounder.

There is a difference between what we would like and what we get. The past seems to suggest at best we will get 2 first rounders or a first rounder and a player. But for those that think we will get three pieces I think you are going to be disappointed. Those that believe we will get 3 pieced are going to hold the club accountable to achieving that and then when its all over they will be on here talking about how weak the club was.

We need to be realistic. Sure the club could try for 3 pieces but we need to be happy with the club if we only get two pieces for Danger.

I would be happy with a 1st rounder and a decent player but we don't hand over anything else. If we want to trade Mackay then that's a separate deal.

My break even trade:

Match then take a pick from Geelong (9) to screw with their list a little rather than the AFL compo.

Anything more than pick 14 and we have done well IMO.

I do hope for more but let's not put unrealistic expectations on the Club, it will only end in tears.

 

[Stripple]

That's not enough, and they would be laughing at us if we agreed.

So much this. Remove the restricted FA out of the equation. This is an out of contract player asking for a trade. Precedent is definitely in the Judd/Burgoyne realm. We should be getting two firsts and a decent player. We hold the cards as if patty only wants to go to one club there is only one way he gets there - via trade.


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[Stripple]

My break even trade:

Match then take a pick from Geelong (9) to screw with their list a little rather than the AFL compo.

Anything more than pick 14 and we have done well IMO.

I do hope for more but let's not put unrealistic expectations on the Club, it will only end in tears.

Remove compo if danger was out of contract last year and wanted to go to the cats what would you have expected?


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[cm_perfect]

Remove compo if danger was out of contract last year and wanted to go to the cats what would you have expected?


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Uncontracted player, nominates destination Club that their best pick is nine, hmmmm. How bout pick 9 and a half sucked peppermint ?

The half sucked peppermint being a steak knives player.

Again I would like more but maybe prior trades our club has been involved in have worn me down [emoji106]

 

[Stripple]

Uncontracted player, nominates destination Club that their best pick is nine, hmmmm. How bout pick 9 and a half sucked peppermint ?

The half sucked peppermint being a steak knives player.

Again I would like more but maybe prior trades our club has been involved in have worn me down [emoji106]

The thing is he has nominated his club but there are plenty who would take him in PSD so we must be satisfied to let him go to geelong. Judd eventually nominated his club, Burgoyne nominated his club both got two first rounders.


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[FAITH]

anything less than 2 top 10 picks is a failure.

 

[Jeffcrowe]

9 and Murdoch might not be the equivalent of PD but it's way better than a measly compo pick, and would be a huge shock to we-should-get-him-for-nothing-Geelong. I'd do that deal for sure.

I'd rate that the minimum acceptable deal

 

[Linekers Ears]

OutofTownCrow Ummmm....this thread would not of moved past page one if that was a thread rule.. (No repeating)

Would be an interesting exercise to work out the cycle time for a large thread - how many posts before it all starts again?

And it would probably be more interesting than endless variations of "three first rounders or GTFO"

My personal limit is about 3 or 4 pages that i'll read so the overnight stuff goes through to the keeper.

 

[TheLeftFist8]

anything less than 2 top 10 picks is a failure.

I'd also equate a cockatoo or motlop as a top 10 pick

 

[Stiffy_18]

I'd rate that the minimum acceptable deal

Minimum acceptance deal should be 2 first round picks.

 

[FAITH]

I'd also equate a cockatoo or motlop as a top 10 pick

yep for sure.
murdoch would be 20-25

 

[AusTerran]

I do hope the club doesn't have the same defeatist attitude some on here have... "oh it's better than the compo pick, so blah blah blah" sheesh!
Forget the bloody Compo pick. This is now a normal trade of a elite uncontracted player, there are many examples of pasts trades.
If Geelong only have Pick 9 and a Average player, then it's THEIR job to get better draft picks/players to put on the table to trade.

 

[Golumless]

Dangerfield
Golumless - 95% staying

Damn that 5%...

(Also known as wriggle room if i was in the journalism industry.)

 

[footy4ever]

I do hope the club doesn't have the same defeatist attitude some on here have... "oh it's better than the compo pick, so blah blah blah" sheesh!
Forget the bloody Compo pick. This is now a normal trade of a elite uncontracted player, there are many examples of pasts trades.
If Geelong only have Pick 9 and a Average player, then it's THEIR job to get better draft picks/players to put on the table to trade.

A part of me hopes the AFC goes so hard that Geelong can't do a deal and PD has to decide to remain with AFC of go into the draft. That's about how hard I want them to go. The realist in me says Geelong's 9 and a player, or Geelong's 9 and their next years first round, is actually what will happen.

 

[Red mist]

Carlton and Brisbane denied compo. Thaughts?

 

[AusTerran]

Carlton and Brisbane denied compo. Thaughts?

Brisbane would likely get their compo just like Melbourne got one last year