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[I Lost My Keays]

But we are on the decline

No joke

 

[Jeffcrowe]

But we are giving up round 2 2016 pick. I don't like it. We gain pick 9, pick 14, lose danger and a 2nd round pick 2016. So effectively Geelong only give up pick 9 for danger . Other first round pick is afl compo, which means the other 16 teams suffer....

I agree it's not quite there but I think if you add 1
more trade onto it eg a young promising type for one of our fabled experienced guys I could cope

 

[FAITH]

Brownlow night my GF says is that Dangerfields Wife?
I said: No. His fiance

she said: She looks like a bitch

I said: No comment

couple of people i know thought the same thing.
shes a tough one thats for sure.

 

[Strangled Cat]

Yes but to get pick 9 you're suggest we have to give up a bunch of picks worth nearly as much as Pick 9.

The means the net value we gain from the trade is the Pick 14 compo and a little bonus "222 points" (the points difference you suggest in your hypothetical trade) which is equivalent to Pick 54.

So no, we don't want Pick 14 and Pick 54 for Danger, we want your two first rounders next year. Cheers.

Since Danger will be unrestricted in two year's time, he's only worth offering the value of two years of his services. For us to give you pick #9 in exchange for you guys to not match and also receive pick #14, I think that is more than fair. Personally I don't want to pay a king's ransom for a guy we can get in two years for nothing. Despite what you lot on here say, you don't have the upper hand. He's leaving Adelaide and only wants Geelong.

If Adelaide's demands are too crippling to the point that Geelong can't possibly satisfy what's being demanded, Danger will nominate for the ND where Geelong will pick him up with their pick #9. Unlike the PSD, club's will not pay a first round draft pick for a guy who has stated that he doesn't want to play for them and will only play for one year.

So in effect, Adelaide lose pick #14 AND pick #9. But you'll be stoked because you'll have made a stand and also kept your second and third rounders. Top logic there, bud!

 

[CoolCat75]

But we are giving up round 2 2016 pick. I don't like it. We gain pick 9, pick 14, lose danger and a 2nd round pick 2016. So effectively Geelong only give up pick 9 for danger . Other first round pick is afl compo, which means the other 16 teams suffer....

No you have missed the point. I only added in the RD 2 2016 trade for Hampton as Adelaide has been linked to him. You can forget that part if you like. Lose/retire/delist your planned 4 players, upgrade a rookie and the point stands you only need 3 ND picks (I stand to be corrected if Adelaide delist more players, then this trade doesn't work for you). So in totality, you have lost Danger and Rd 3 2016 for picks 9 and 14. And the side trade is balanced enough for the AFL to allow. No one is screwed this way, we get our player and you make the best of a bad situation.

 

[marty36]

Since Danger will be unrestricted in two year's time, he's only worth offering the value of two years of his services. For us to give you pick #9 in exchange for you guys to not match and also receive pick #14, I think that is more than fair. Personally I don't want to pay a king's ransom for a guy we can get in two years for nothing. Despite what you lot on here say, you don't have the upper hand. He's leaving Adelaide and only wants Geelong.

If Adelaide's demands are too crippling to the point that Geelong can't possibly satisfy what's being demanded, Danger will nominate for the ND where Geelong will pick him up with their pick #9. Unlike the PSD, club's will not pay a first round draft pick for a guy who has stated that he doesn't want to play for them and will only play for one year.

So in effect, Adelaide lose pick #14 AND pick #9. But you'll be stoked because you'll have made a stand and also kept your second and third rounders. Top logic there, bud!

He wont be unrestricted if he goes PSD and to another club, he wont be FA at all

As if no club will grab him, a great player for two years then trade him for two picks as he has lost his FA, if he doesnt want to stay who knows, who is coming bottom he could find himself in Queensland or WA

 

[Red mist]

No you have missed the point. I only added in the RD 2 2016 trade for Hampton as Adelaide has been linked to him. You can forget that part if you like. Lose/retire/delist your planned 4 players, upgrade a rookie and the point stands you only need 3 ND picks (I stand to be corrected if Adelaide delist more players, then this trade doesn't work for you). So in totality, you have lost Danger and Rd 3 2016 for picks 9 and 14. And the side trade is balanced enough for the AFL to allow. No one is screwed this way, we get our player and you make the best of a bad situation.

Ok. I don't mind this non match scenario.

 

[marty36]

What's he going to do?

Nothing. That's why he's huffing and puffing now to pretend he's got some say here

After all, is he going to say that Adelaide and Geelong can't trade because there is a free agency transaction involved? No way

Is he going to demand that we can only trade if we match???

Is he going to demand we have to lose if we trade with Geelong?

Do we have to lose if there is a 3 way trade to both other teams?!

Is it ok if we sequence in a certain way?

Is he going to substitute his view of a player's worth to the market?

No, he's not. He's going to strip off, Netflix and chill with himself

Hahahaha yeah that toothless tiger, Wood, surely stuffed us up good and proper.

He sent a letter to ALL clubs advising not to try dumbo secondary deals so he isnt bombarded with dumb requests where the offer doesnt equate to a fair trade of equal value under his interpretation. Something like Mackay for pick 9.

I bet you he is glad he is not receiving requests from the Geelong BF board or his head would be spinning with, what the HELL.

 

[Sanders]

Since Danger will be unrestricted in two year's time, he's only worth offering the value of two years of his services.

Top logic there, bud!

He loses all free agency eligibility when he moves clubs.

 

[marty36]

No you have missed the point. I only added in the RD 2 2016 trade for Hampton as Adelaide has been linked to him. You can forget that part if you like. Lose/retire/delist your planned 4 players, upgrade a rookie and the point stands you only need 3 ND picks (I stand to be corrected if Adelaide delist more players, then this trade doesn't work for you). So in totality, you have lost Danger and Rd 3 2016 for picks 9 and 14. And the side trade is balanced enough for the AFL to allow. No one is screwed this way, we get our player and you make the best of a bad situation.

Would think we are destined for some delistings you need to re do your list annually. So it would mean we are shoved way down the order so much so it would hardly be worth updating your list. Cant see that happening

 

[big78sam]

I keep coming back to the question of "what currency do Geelong have to give to Adelaide?" Everyone connencted to Geelong keep saying "we won't give you 2 first round picks or a decent player". The only currency I can see in that scenario is cap space. Geelong fans on here, particularly the vocal ones, keep going on about how much more cap space Geelong have. If they were willing to take on Mackay and use some of this much talked about cap space it would give us scope to use that to go and get a free agent. They might never play Mackay and hopefully we never will again. The issue is they take his salary off our cap.

I seem to recall there being some sort of salary cap deal done with Ronnie Burns when that trade was done. Wasn't part of the deal that we gave Geelong a decent pick if they kept paying part of his salary. That's a precendent for cap space being commodity in a trade.

 

[Strangled Cat]

He wont be unrestricted if he goes PSD and to another club, he wont be FA at all

As if no club will grab him, a great player for two years then trade him for two picks as he has lost his FA, if he doesnt want to stay who knows, who is coming bottom he could find himself in Queensland or WA

If Adelaide match and Geelong can't muster up the "compensation" Adelaide requires from them, then he either stays in Adelaide (which won't happen), or he nominates himself in the National Draft (not the PSD) where no club will give a first round national draft pick up for a player who doesn't want to be there over a potential 10+ year gun.

It will not come to that though. Adelaide will not match with thr mentality of having a completely rigid and inflexible idea of what and how it should be compensated by Geelong, with the potential loss of a comp pick and nothing from Geelong as merely collateral damage to thr cause of "making a stand". In that case the AFL will either a) afford Adelaide an additional compensation pick at the end of the first round whilst citing "extenuating circumstances" for the awarding the additional pick, or b) put a tremendous amount of pressure on Adelaide to accept any reasonable offer from Geelong which is clearly better than a solitary pick #14.

I can absolutely promise you now that Geelong WILL NOT be giving multiple first round draft picks plus a quality player or two to Adelaide in order to secure Dangerfield's services. It just isn't worth it when he could just be aquired at the end of 2017 FOR NOTHING. As a supporter I wouldn't support paying overs for what essentially is only two years of services of one player. He will be playing for Geelong in 2016 and he will not cost Geelong more than a first round draft pick and a fringe player, should Adelaide match. As certain as I am that the sun sets in the west, I am as certain about what I've just stated eventuating in some form or another.

 

[Brentmeister]

The

Since Danger will be unrestricted in two year's time, he's only worth offering the value of two years of his services. For us to give you pick #9 in exchange for you guys to not match and also receive pick #14, I think that is more than fair. Personally I don't want to pay a king's ransom for a guy we can get in two years for nothing. Despite what you lot on here say, you don't have the upper hand. He's leaving Adelaide and only wants Geelong.

If Adelaide's demands are too crippling to the point that Geelong can't possibly satisfy what's being demanded, Danger will nominate for the ND where Geelong will pick him up with their pick #9. Unlike the PSD, club's will not pay a first round draft pick for a guy who has stated that he doesn't want to play for them and will only play for one year.

So in effect, Adelaide lose pick #14 AND pick #9. But you'll be stoked because you'll have made a stand and also kept your second and third rounders. Top logic there, bud!

Two years of prime Dangerfield footy is worth way more than you're letting on.

And your argument falls to pieces when you categorically *guarantee* that no club will draft Dangerfield. Melbourne can pick him up with pick #6, get two great years from him then ask for two first rounders from Geelong when his contract is up! Smart investment!

 

[Strangled Cat]

Top logic there, bud!

He loses all free agency eligibility when he moves clubs.

You have clearly missed my point. Geelong may as well have told Danger to just bide his time for two more years as they aren't prepared to pay massive overs for two years of his services when he could be aquired two years later FOR NOTHING!

 

[hey shorty]

Melbourne, Carlton, Essendon and St Kilda all would draft him, if Cats fans think otherwise then there's no helping you.

 

[AJB84]

If Adelaide match and Geelong can't muster up the "compensation" Adelaide requires from them, then he either stays in Adelaide (which won't happen), or he nominates himself in the National Draft (not the PSD) where no club will give a first round national draft pick up for a player who doesn't want to be there over a potential 10+ year gun.

It will not come to that though. Adelaide will not match with thr mentality of having a completely rigid and inflexible idea of what and how it should be compensated by Geelong, with the potential loss of a comp pick and nothing from Geelong as merely collateral damage to thr cause of "making a stand". In that case the AFL will either a) afford Adelaide an additional compensation pick at the end of the first round whilst citing "extenuating circumstances" for the awarding the additional pick, or b) put a tremendous amount of pressure on Adelaide to accept any reasonable offer from Geelong which is clearly better than a solitary pick #14.

I can absolutely promise you now that Geelong WILL NOT be giving multiple first round draft picks plus a quality player or two to Adelaide in order to secure Dangerfield's services. It just isn't worth it when he could just be aquired at the end of 2017 FOR NOTHING. As a supporter I wouldn't support paying overs for what essentially is only two years of services of one player. He will be playing for Geelong in 2016 and he will not cost Geelong more than a first round draft pick and a fringe player, should Adelaide match. As certain as I am that the sun sets in the west, I am as certain about what I've just stated eventuating in some form or another.

Let me put it like this if we don't match i will consider not renewing my membership.

I am reluctant to support a club that wont make a stand if that means Paddy is in Brisbane for 2 years then so be it.

 

[Strangled Cat]

The

Two years of prime Dangerfield footy is worth way more than you're letting on.

And your argument falls to pieces when you categorically *guarantee* that no club will draft Dangerfield. Melbourne can pick him up with pick #6, get two great years from him then ask for two first rounders from Geelong when his contract is up! Smart investment!

It just isn't going to happen. If you match you'll accept what Geelong can trade to you which is reasonably better than pick #14. You lot bang on about how both Geelong and Adelaide's powers that be will ensure a fair trade is met for both, but don't consider what's fair and reasonable in the situation. Adelaide would already know what Geelong can offer by way of a trade BEFORE they elect to match. If they match, a trade will get done. Danger will not go to any draft, you guys will get better than pick #14 compo but nothing like two first rounders and one or more "quality players". You're just absolutely in la la land if you think that will happen.

 

[Holden Hillbilly]

I keep coming back to the question of "what currency do Geelong have to give to Adelaide?" Everyone connencted to Geelong keep saying "we won't give you 2 first round picks or a decent player". The only currency I can see in that scenario is cap space. Geelong fans on here, particularly the vocal ones, keep going on about how much more cap space Geelong have. If they were willing to take on Mackay and use some of this much talked about cap space it would give us scope to use that to go and get a free agent. They might never play Mackay and hopefully we never will again. The issue is they take his salary off our cap.

I seem to recall there being some sort of salary cap deal done with Ronnie Burns when that trade was done. Wasn't part of the deal that we gave Geelong a decent pick if they kept paying part of his salary. That's a precendent for cap space being commodity in a trade.

Geelong are trying to get Dangerfield and not solve the Crows ludicrous 4 year deal for Mackay problem.

 

[whitey_1975]

If Adelaide match and Geelong can't muster up the "compensation" Adelaide requires from them, then he either stays in Adelaide (which won't happen), or he nominates himself in the National Draft (not the PSD) where no club will give a first round national draft pick up for a player who doesn't want to be there over a potential 10+ year gun.

It will not come to that though. Adelaide will not match with thr mentality of having a completely rigid and inflexible idea of what and how it should be compensated by Geelong, with the potential loss of a comp pick and nothing from Geelong as merely collateral damage to thr cause of "making a stand". In that case the AFL will either a) afford Adelaide an additional compensation pick at the end of the first round whilst citing "extenuating circumstances" for the awarding the additional pick, or b) put a tremendous amount of pressure on Adelaide to accept any reasonable offer from Geelong which is clearly better than a solitary pick #14.

I can absolutely promise you now that Geelong WILL NOT be giving multiple first round draft picks plus a quality player or two to Adelaide in order to secure Dangerfield's services. It just isn't worth it when he could just be aquired at the end of 2017 FOR NOTHING. As a supporter I wouldn't support paying overs for what essentially is only two years of services of one player. He will be playing for Geelong in 2016 and he will not cost Geelong more than a first round draft pick and a fringe player, should Adelaide match. As certain as I am that the sun sets in the west, I am as certain about what I've just stated eventuating in some form or another.

Categorically hey, why do we have to listen to your shit on our board. Do u work for the Cats do u? When u sprout bullshit any reasonable thing u have to contribute is ignored. I see why Hawks supporters think most Geelong posters are w***ers. Honestly.

 

[Large 1]

No you have missed the point. I only added in the RD 2 2016 trade for Hampton as Adelaide has been linked to him. You can forget that part if you like. Lose/retire/delist your planned 4 players, upgrade a rookie and the point stands you only need 3 ND picks (I stand to be corrected if Adelaide delist more players, then this trade doesn't work for you). So in totality, you have lost Danger and Rd 3 2016 for picks 9 and 14. And the side trade is balanced enough for the AFL to allow. No one is screwed this way, we get our player and you make the best of a bad situation.

Best attempt I've seen so far. I reckon you'll be pretty close. Geelong have a lot of spots to fill so they need several picks.

 

[Sanders]

You have clearly missed my point. Geelong may as well have told Danger to just bide his time for two more years as they aren't prepared to pay massive overs for two years of his services when he could be aquired two years later FOR NOTHING!

Seeing as they haven't landed him yet, they may still have been better off doing that

 

[Strangled Cat]

Let me put it like this if we don't match i will consider not renewing my membership.

I am reluctant to support a club that wont make a stand if that means Paddy is in Brisbane for 2 years then so be it.

I understand the emotions behind your mentality. In your situation I would feel the same. Hell, I've got a mad Adelaide suppoting wife who's also baying for blood. But it's simple really, if Adelaide match, a deal would have already been agreed upon before that happens. The trade will be something which falls somewhere in between a solitary pick #14 and two first rounders plus one or more quality players. It'll probably be pick #9 and either a second rounder next year or a player like Jordan Murdoch.

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

Geelong are trying to get Dangerfield and not solve the Crows ludicrous 4 year deal for Mackay problem.

Are you guys interested?

Doubts over Polec's foot... need some cover...

Please?

 

[Smithtastic33]

But we are on the decline

Please don't be flippant with me. Read my comments about the Geelong Football Club before trying to be a smartarse.

 

[Strangled Cat]

Categorically hey, why do we have to listen to your shit on our board. Do u work for the Cats do u? When u sprout bullshit any reasonable thing u have to contribute is ignored. I see why Hawks supporters think most Geelong posters are ******s. Honestly.

That's fine. Bookmark my post. Rub it in my face if I'm wrong. I know that I won't be, though. I promise I won't even return the favour when I'm proven to be correct.