Oppo Camp Dangerfield's Gone (Zero tolerance to trolling) - READ THREAD LINKED IN OP BEFORE POSTING

[The Sloane Ranger]

Is lethal in a position to do that? I know he said they shouldn't trade him, but is he making the decisions?

Absolutely he is

Lethal is the Director of Football and all player trades and movements need to be signed off by the Board

 

[jenny61_99]

Absolutely he is

Lethal is the Director of Football and all player trades and movements need to be signed off by the Board

Cheers, wasn't sure of his current role.

 

[*PAF]

The image is true though - you are dreaming if you think you will get Dangerfield for 1 1st rounder.

We would accept compensation if we thought that was fair.

I don't think you are even trying to be reasonable

Unfortunately you'll struggle to get much better than that, but it's still twice as good as the Hawks got for Franklin and better than just the compo pick.

 

[Brentmeister]

Unfortunately you'll struggle to get much better than that, but it's still twice as good as the Hawks got for Franklin and better than just the compo pick.

Buddy is irrelevant here because hawthorn didn't/couldn't match.

 

[Mego Red]

R9 this year and R1 next year and pick 14 back to the Cats.
Or
R1 this year and Murdoch (no Gregson, no ****) and not a penny more.

If that's all you offered, we'd take it to mediation. That is the equivalent of us wanting three 1st rounds, and wildly less than could be agreed to.

 

[SA_Stazza]

Buddy is irrelevant here because hawthorn didn't/couldn't match.

This ^^^^

No matter how many times we repeat it, people just don't seem to get it

 

[Mego Red]

No need to be like that - when a above me contains a trade with 4 picks and 3 players out of Geelong for Dangerfield. You ain't getting mountains of a gold for an out of contract player who will only go to one club.

The one above you was clearly a joke.

You ain't getting a top three player in the league who won't enter the draft and for whom you have made promises for pennies.

 

[Mego Red]

There should never have been a system based compensation - it affects every club but the one gaining the player. The club gaining the player should be the one that compensates. Moot point anyway as system based compensation will be gone within a year.

There's no way the AFLPA will allow compo to go. Free agency would grind to a halt.

That being said - academy is 20% point discount, father/son is 30% point discount, free agency is 40%?

 

[Mego Red]

Unfortunately you'll struggle to get much better than that, but it's still twice as good as the Hawks got for Franklin and better than just the compo pick.

Buddy has as little to do with this as Callum Ward.

 

[SA_Stazza]

Who the **** is jansen and why the **** would brisbane want him.

19yr old big bodied mid (193/91). Cats took him with their 2nd rounder in 2013. Has performed ok in the VFL the last couple years without setting the world on fire, admittedly his 2014 was probably better than this year, although they tried to use him a bit more as a forward this year. Good in the stoppages, loves to tackle and isn't a bad extractor of the pill either. Can see why Brissy are interested.

 

[feenix67]

I'm worried that we're going to get pulled up on all this. I have this nagging feeling that the first round pick swap last year was actually the first leg of the trade.

We do Geelong a favour by doing a random pick swap. They do us a favour by not pricing Danger out of our matching range, thus enabling a trade.

I'll be royally pissed off if we get done and sanctioned again.

 

[Brentmeister]

I'm worried that we're going to get pulled up on all this. I have this nagging feeling that the first round pick swap last year was actually the first leg of the trade.

We do Geelong a favour by doing a random pick swap. They do us a favour by not pricing Danger out of our matching range, thus enabling a trade.

I'll be royally pissed off if we get done and sanctioned again.

The pick swap last year was a fair trade. I'm not sure how many times people need to be reminded of that. We ended up with a better player in the first round than Geelong and we got a 12 pick upgrade in the second round.

 

[Red mist]

Matching

Pick 9 and future first rounder.

Or pick 9, Murdock and future second or third.

Prefer the picks rather than players involved.

Be surprised is a non match scenario gets over the line.

 

[feenix67]

The pick swap last year was a fair trade. I'm not sure how many times people need to be reminded of that. We ended up with a better player in the first round than Geelong and we got a 12 pick upgrade in the second round.

Yes, I understand it was a fair trade, in and of itself. Geelong not pricing us out is also "reasonable" in the context of their TPP policy. With the benefit of hindsight, however, both actions seem to be "greasing the wheels" for something else to go down. That's the bit that worries me slightly.

 

[adelaidecrows]

Matching

Pick 9 and future first rounder.

Or pick 9, Murdock and future second or third.

Prefer the picks rather than players involved.

Be surprised is a non match scenario gets over the line.

I know several people are mentioning Murdoch but why? His statistics are nothing to write home about. He is a good 2nd tier player, Geelong need him because they have no forward line, we are far from that same boat. I would demand two first rounders and maybe take him but why would anyone trade a first rounder for him. He is a second rounder at best.

 

[Red mist]

I know several people are mentioning Murdoch but why? His statistics are nothing to write home about. He is a good 2nd tier player, Geelong need him because they have no forward line, we are far from that same boat. I would demand two first rounders and maybe take him but why would anyone trade a first rounder for him. He is a second rounder at best.

Speed and height. Seems to be the only one mentioned in the media not just on here that I would begrudgingly accept. Perhaps Gregson but I'm not comfortable with his size. We aren't a tall side.

 

[Pdub]

Geelong fans think they gave up Christensen for unders at pick 21 last year, so I think we should base it off that, Christensen and Dangerfield are the same age so it works.

Dangerfield is currently rated by the AFL as the 3rd best player in the competition, Christensen is rated as the 224th best player in the competition.

This puts Dangerfield in the 99th percentile, and Christensen in the 68th percentile.

If this was international tennis Dangerfield's earnings would be about $6mil/year, Christensen < $100k.

It means Dangerfield is a 1 in 240 player, Christensen is a 1 in 3.

Statistically that makes Dangerfield 80 times more valuable than Christensen.

If pick 21 is worth 878 points, Dangerfield is then worth 70,240 points or 23 x pick 1s.

 

[Wood_Duck]

I'm worried that we're going to get pulled up on all this. I have this nagging feeling that the first round pick swap last year was actually the first leg of the trade.

We do Geelong a favour by doing a random pick swap. They do us a favour by not pricing Danger out of our matching range, thus enabling a trade.

I'll be royally pissed off if we get done and sanctioned again.

If they were prepared to trade up front, we wouldn't be discussing FA. FA wouldnt even be relevant.

 

[feenix67]

If they were prepared to trade up front, we wouldn't be discussing FA. FA wouldnt even be relevant.

Fair call

 

[Strangled Cat]

He's a current all Australian, b and f winner. What does it matter if it's ONLY win?

Because he's NOT a premiership captain or a Brownlow medalist. Danger is a gun player, but he's not as good as Judd at the period of their respective careers.

 

[Pdub]

Because he's NOT a premiership captain or a Brownlow medalist. Danger is a gun player, but he's not as good as Judd at the period of their respective careers.

So if he was coming from Hawthorn he would be a more valuable player as he would have played in premierships, playing in a team that was always competitive, won more games and as he was tagged much less he would have had more Brownlow votes.

 

[marty36]

So what is a fair and reasonable compensation PD himself has requested Geelong trade for a fair compensation and thats what this whoe saga is about, what he wants

Forget matching that is already known FFS Geelong are negotiating ATM and have said they will not change their pay structure

So to determine this fair and reasonable Comp what is

Selwood
Priddis
Gray
Pendedlbury
Fyfe
Kennedy


What would be the minumum you would give or take for everyone of these champs of the game?

As PD said he wants Adelaide to get fair compensation, determine fair?

 

[Strangled Cat]

So if he was coming from Hawthorn he would be a more valuable player as he would have played in premierships and playing in a team that was always competitive, won more games and was tagged much less he would have had more Brownlow votes.

You see no value in someone being the captain of a premiership side? I can guarantee you Bicks wouldn't have been accepted in the Hall of Fame if he wasn't a dual premiership captain. He was a good average player and nohing more. But the esteem is still of value, a lot it would appear...

There's also a flaw in your argument about playing in a competitive team where one isn't tagged as much; Judd won his Brownlow medal in 2004 when the Eagles were still a mid-table side, as evidenced by finishing 7th on the ladder that year.

Judd's 2004 was just an exceptional season which was capped off with a Brownlow. His career was stellar up until he left the Eagles and he had certainly achieved more accolades than Danger at the same period.

 

[marty36]

You see no value in someone being the captain of a premiership side? I can guarantee you Bicks wouldn't have been accepted in the Hall of Fame if he wasn't a dual premiership captain. He was a good average player and nohing more. But the esteem is still of value, a lot it would appear...

There's also a flaw in your argument about playing in a competitive team where one isn't tagged as much; Judd won his Brownlow medal in 2004 when the Eagles were still a mid-table side, as evidenced by finishing 7th on the ladder that year.

Judd's 2004 was just an exceptional season which was capped off with a Brownlow. His career was stellar up until he left the Eagles and he had certainly achieved more accolades than Danger at the same period.

Get back to the to the debate at hand PD has requested Adelaide be compensated fairly, give me a fair figure for PD to be traded I wouid say he would be equivelantand if not greater trade value than Pendelbury, Priddis, Gibbs, Cotchin, Rioli, R Gray, Wingard, Selwood, so what is a fair figure on all of these players and PD considering thats what PD wants and he is the one wanting thsi trade to happen the most. I left Fyfe out because he is better than PD by the way

 

[Strangled Cat]

How ridiculous. Brisbane get pick 9 and jarred Jansen for aish. Adelaide get pick 20 and Aish for Dangerfield. **** right off.

What's the problem? You guys want to first round draft picks. Aish is worth the equivalent of a first round draft pick while pick #20 is only two picks after what would be an end-of-first-round draft pick. With the upgrade of second and third round picks proposed, that balances out two places lost in the first round.

So Adelaide in effect get the equivalent of value of two first round draft picks for Danger. It's a lot better compensation than just one pick #14 and most importantly, Geelong don't get away with getting Dangerfield for nothing...