Oppo Camp Dangerfield's Gone (Zero tolerance to trolling) - READ THREAD LINKED IN OP BEFORE POSTING

[Wood_Duck]

I think he wrote a speech, I don't think that's what he delivered. I think he spoke mostly from the heart. It wasn't articulate or grammatically correct. If you watch, he rarely looked at his notes...and you could tell when he was reading from it. I'm sure the general gist was the same, but I think it was absolutely genuine.

Im sure he enjoyed practicing in front of the mirror.

 

[Ace13]

Dangerfield has been a fine player for adelaide there is no doubt. But I fly as one is his mantra....to leave at such a time knowing the effect it would have on the wider adelaide community is self indulgent. Cannot start a family in adelaide Patrick? I hope all the little kids with the 32 on their backs would understand. Good show Patrick.

 

[moogerfooger]

then you missed my hypothetical question's point. It was about waiting until unrestricted free agency because he doesn't have certainty now.

we have no reason to believe Geelong even can outbid us, let alone are willing to try

I understand your point just fine. PD has already decided not to wait until 2017 to exercise his rights as a UFA so your point is moot.

In reality, he wants to leave in 2015. As a RFA the only way he gets certainty is by Geelong offering more than we are willing/able to match - like every other RFA transaction to this point - or by the two clubs agreeing to a trade in advance (which has been rumored by Dwayne Russell, who has good connections in Geelong). Whether Geelong can make such an offer or agree to such a trade is immaterial - those are currently the only ways for PD to move to Geelong with any certainty. Anything else is pure fiction because he's already decided to leave now, not in two years' time.

 

[Scorpus]

How could he have handled it better? The AFL rules prevent him from making a public announcement during the season, he let the Crows know so they could take care of other players so what else was he meant to do?

He's not prevented from announcing he intends to leave (without specifying to where) during the season. Carlton's Henderson did this.

I would have liked Dangerfield to publicly announce he was intending to leave as soon as he made the decision so we could immediately stop playing him and tell him to pack his bags.

 

[Glenno23]

How could he have handled it better? The AFL rules prevent him from making a public announcement during the season, he let the Crows know so they could take care of other players so what else was he meant to do?

That's not what i was referring to

 

[Sanders]

I understand your point just fine. PD has already decided not to wait until 2017 to exercise his rights as a UFA so your point is moot.

the flip? i raise a question about whether he might have been better off waiting, and you say the question is moot because he already decided to go now. I mean wow.

In reality, he wants to leave in 2015. As a RFA the only way he gets certainty is by Geelong offering more than we are willing/able to match - like every other RFA transaction to this point - or by the two clubs agreeing to a trade in advance (which has been rumored by Dwayne Russell, who has good connections in Geelong). Whether Geelong can make such an offer or agree to such a trade is immaterial - those are currently the only ways for PD to move to Geelong with any certainty. Anything else is pure fiction because he's already decided to leave now, not in two years' time.

so you're just going to keep carrying on responding to my question, but because you have an answer to a different question you're going to pretend I asked something else. and by deciding I asked something different, you think that something different is wrong.

gee whiz. that's some weird shit

 

[moogerfooger]

the flip? i raise a question about whether he might have been better off waiting, and you say the question is moot because he already decided to go now. I mean wow.

how is it so hard to grasp?

is he better off waiting? the guy in question who is privy to all the inside information thinks no, it isn't.

he clearly knows something you don't.

 

[Draft Bored]

Posted in two threads but relevant to both:

I bet it's hard for him to admit after thinking about Danger for free all year.

 

[Smithtastic33]

Crows, Geelong and the AFLPA should be pushing the AFL to change the concession picks.

They should get the AFL to give the crows pick 1 and 14 in exchange for Dangerfield going to Geelong.

Then the Crows trade pick 1 to the Gold Coast for pick 3 and Bennel.

Therefore, Crows end up with Pick 3, 14 and Bennell for Dangerfield.

Crows happy, Geelong Happy and Gold Coast happy with pick 1.

Crows take Francis with 3, Ryan Burton with pick 13 and Milner with 14 and still have Bennell for the midfield.

 

[King Elvis]

Crows, Geelong and the AFLPA should be pushing the AFL to change the concession picks.

They should get the AFL to give the crows pick 1 and 14 in exchange for Dangerfield going to Geelong.

Then the Crows trade pick 1 to the Gold Coast for pick 3 and Bennel.

Therefore, Crows end up with Pick 3, 14 and Bennell for Dangerfield.

Crows happy, Geelong Happy and Gold Coast happy with pick 1.

Crows take Francis with 3, Ryan Burton with pick 13 and Milner with 14 and still have Bennell for the midfield.

Cats should forfeit pick 9 as well.

 

[crowded house]

Concession picks for free agents are completely rubbish anyway. It ruins the draft system. If the AFL did that then 16 other clubs would be mighty pissed off. I would scrap concession picks all together (or at least exclude the first round) which would make RFA more likely to matched and a trade sorted.

 

[Rory Walkerfield]

Crows, Geelong and the AFLPA should be pushing the AFL to change the concession picks.

They should get the AFL to give the crows pick 1 and 14 in exchange for Dangerfield going to Geelong.

Then the Crows trade pick 1 to the Gold Coast for pick 3 and Bennel.

Therefore, Crows end up with Pick 3, 14 and Bennell for Dangerfield.

Crows happy, Geelong Happy and Gold Coast happy with pick 1.

Crows take Francis with 3, Ryan Burton with pick 13 and Milner with 14 and still have Bennell for the midfield.

Nah, they need to go the other way. The team taking the player need to provide the compo. There should be a way of valuing a player in points and then the father son bidding table is used to work out what needs to be put forward. There should be a discount applied for each year of tenure and also no ability to match once a player reaches [x] years.

 

[CrowsB4hoes]

0-2 inconsequential? That's when my wife and I most needed support. Especially the first baby when you don't know what you're doing, before your realise know one ever knows they're doing and babies are pretty robust. It takes one or two years to "work it out" and I found my wife was quite stressed an emotional about trying to do it right and needed a lot of support.

Again, someone not reading before responding? Who is talking about support? I'm talking about the community you raise your kids in. That's why I said they could be raised in years 0-2 for all it matters. Let's face it. He's going to get more support being a superstar at an AFL club than as regular folk ever would, so that's not going to be an issue.

 

[whitey_1975]

Geez those Scott twins are tools

 

[Smithtastic33]

Cats should forfeit pick 9 as well.

Do we receive that as well? or does it just disappear?

 

[rezagun]

So i think its obvious whos pushing for this move back home to 'geelong'. If pd was single hed be here for atleast another 2 years. $$$$ melbourne called though and its not far from geelong...

 

[Smithtastic33]

Nah, they need to go the other way. The team taking the player need to provide the compo. There should be a way of valuing a player in points and then the father son bidding table is used to work out what needs to be put forward. There should be a discount applied for each year of tenure and also no ability to match once a player reaches [x] years.

In an ideal world, you are correct but since we are only 2 weeks prior to the trade period and Geelong have bugger all to trade; we should be looking at getting the best ROI we can.

And I feel the best way we can increase our trade is to involve the AFL with an improved compensation pick.

I can not see us getting anymore than a round 1 pick this year and a round 1 pick next year from Geelong. Therefore in theory it could be something like 10 and 15 resulting in a horrible return for Dangerfield.

 

[King Elvis]

Do we receive that as well? or does it just disappear?

We should receive that and pick 1, compo pick should never exist.

 

[Smithtastic33]

We should receive that and pick 1, compo pick should never exist.

If compo picks don't exist, where does pick 1 come from?

 

[King Elvis]

Touché - but I meant that pick 14.

The system is a mess - a team shouldn't lose a valuable asset for nothing; a team shouldn't receive a valuable asset for nothing, and every other team should not LOSE value for them to do so.

 

[Rory Walkerfield]

If compo picks don't exist, where does pick 1 come from?

 

[Cap]

How far is Melbourne from Moggs creek.

 

[Slippery Pete]

Touché - but I meant that pick 14.

The system is a mess - a team shouldn't lose a valuable asset for nothing; a team shouldn't receive a valuable asset for nothing, and every other team should not LOSE value for them to do so.

Welcome to free agency.

What we're seeing in the AFL right now across all avenues is what happens when players unions get what they want.

That's fine though, there's no game without players.

There's one thing the union forgets though:

There's no game without fans. There's no players without fans, and there sure as shit isn't $800k a year salaries without fans. Just go and ask women footballers if you want proof of that.

AFL fans won't stomach this garbage for long. It'll swing back to equilibrium one way or another.

 

[Smithtastic33]

Touché - but I meant that pick 14.

The system is a mess - a team shouldn't lose a valuable asset for nothing; a team shouldn't receive a valuable asset for nothing, and every other team should not LOSE value for them to do so.

Cool cool. fair enought.

Wasn't suggesting you were contradicting yourself but after clarification.

 

[Smithtastic33]

How far is Melbourne from Moggs creek.

https://www.google.com.au/maps/dir/...x6ad37e5c26650785:0x40579a430a0c930!3e0?hl=en

1 hour 40 minutes