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[Strangled Cat]

Adelaide would be happy for Danger to stay, would geelong be happy for Danger to stay?

If it meant getting him for nothing in two years then why not. Would Adelaide be happy with Danger for two years more and then lose him for nothing? But, I suspect that Danger approached Geelong just as much as Geelong approached Danger. Danger agreed to terms in October 2014 and Geelong committed to Danger to get him to Geelong. It will be fascinating to see how it all works out from this point forward.

 

[clonewars2016]

That one almost kind of works.

Although it goes against Geelong posters stance that they won't give up two first rounders and a player.

Yep almost works - just need to figure out how Geelong have enough currency to still acquire Hansen...and possibly selwood although I doubt they will trade for him!

 

[marty36]

i think you will find it is a throwaway line, ablett made plenty of these
to be honest the hawks have the depth where they would have let you not match and then trade 3-4 depth type players for a third round pick

we simply dont have the cattle for this, so i think the impass and aingst is due to our list

that is not adelaide's fault but rather where the situation is
ie last year we could have traded sj to gws and sent the picks to the crows, and everyone would have been happy

Ok Patrick Dangerfiedl is a two faced liar according to yourself, dont believe a word the man utters because he talks out of his arse, is that what you feel. Or will you say he is saying it to hide and run for cover because he cant stand up and be a man and take responsibility?

 

[baldandbroke]

Unfortunately you'll struggle to get much better than that, but it's still twice as good as the Hawks got for Franklin and better than just the compo pick.

PAF is right in what he says here ... we all know that the Hawks couldn't match, and if Geelong did the same as Sydney we would be in the same boat.

If you take away all of the hot-air all of the what-ifs and look at the facts, the Hawks lost a guy that was an impact player - highly marketable - and in my mind influenced the results of games (big games) more than PD ... and they got eff-all for him.

We are going to do fine out of PD's trade, because we will do what is best for our club OVER-ALL. You cannot preach team-first, then build your future around individuals.

The Hawks did the right thing too. They couldn't hamstring their club with a contract like that - look how that is panning out for Sydney. Hawks won premierships. Sydney didn't, and are about to be stuffed for years because of Buddy's contract (unless the AFL weasel out of it)

I think Geelong are doing the right thing too. They are not selling their club for one huge contract. They are not selling their future in draft picks and youth. They are doing what is right for the longer term by securing PD at a price they can afford.

Adelaide have had enough experience in getting this stuff wrong (as have most clubs) to know where they need to be in terms of a good result. Will each side try and push that line a little more in their favour - sure. Will either side just cave in and sell the farm? No.

PAF, I agree. We are a much better run club than we have been in the past, and we will get a suitable return and move onto 2016 and beyond.

The future looks good to me (I avoided saying "bright" ). Pyke will be a great long term coach. We will sign up some real talent this year. We will build a team that will continue our club's trajectory.

 

[marty36]

If it meant getting him for nothing in two years then why not. Would Adelaide be happy with Danger for two years more and then lose him for nothing? But, I suspect that Danger approached Geelong just as much as Geelong approached Danger. Danger agreed to terms in October 2014 and Geelong committed to Danger to get him to Geelong. It will be fascinating to see how it all works out from this point forward.

We would have him for two years then he leaves as a UFA, with compensation provided, do you understand the rules, or like you dont read what the parties are stating. I now your board stuggles to understand the RFA rules, maybe its best for you to be there and talk absolute crap!

 

[baldandbroke]

His definition of fair could be very different to that afc supporters meaning that he's viewing it more from Geelong's perspective (not conceding needed quality players in a trade for him) and not the crows.

Yep he COULD have meant that. Maybe he meant "I love fried eggs on Sundays"? It's so hard to tell now-a-days isn't it.

 

[Pdub]

If it meant getting him for nothing in two years then why not. Would Adelaide be happy with Danger for two years more and then lose him for nothing? But, I suspect that Danger approached Geelong just as much as Geelong approached Danger. Danger agreed to terms in October 2014 and Geelong committed to Danger to get him to Geelong. It will be fascinating to see how it all works out from this point forward.

Niel Balm Left Geelong in November and he said that he thought Geelong were a 50% chance of getting him when he left. He wasn't stitched up in October.

Yes Adelaide would be happy to take him for another 2 years and take whatever compensation is available in 2 years time. After another 2 years he may even decide to stay for longer after watching Geelong win their 2nd consecutive wooden spoon.

 

[Brentmeister]

If it meant getting him for nothing in two years then why not. Would Adelaide be happy with Danger for two years more and then lose him for nothing? But, I suspect that Danger approached Geelong just as much as Geelong approached Danger. Danger agreed to terms in October 2014 and Geelong committed to Danger to get him to Geelong. It will be fascinating to see how it all works out from this point forward.

Adelaide still gets a compo pick if he leaves in two years time as an unrestricted free agent. Learn the rules before posting.

 

[Bonkers000]

Because he's NOT a premiership captain or a Brownlow medalist. Danger is a gun player, but he's not as good as Judd at the period of their respective careers.

Would you give up more for cooney or woewodin (in their prime) than you would dangerfield because they have won brownlows? Doubt it.
Individual awards are very dependent on how good a year the rest of the competition has had and they are based on only ONE year.
Forget individual awards, base it on talent etc.

Dangerfield isn't as good as Judd. But geelongs draft picks aren't as good as Carltons were.

 

[Strangled Cat]

You are in Denial, its not only us that want a fair trade, Patrick Dangerfield does to, he has publicy stated it, are you about to say he was lying. You know the guy that you want to play for you, the guy that wants the move and has proclaimed how Adelaide should be compensated fairly for his move. As for suggested nomination, who bloody suggested it, its wasnt PD or his manager, maybe friggen Humpty Dumpty suggested it or Slobo, who gives a shit.

And your opinion on what Geelong will hand over is your opinion, if they are listening to the person who wants to come to their club it will be a fair deal.

Back to the debate, what is fair, as I said make a comparison on what would be fair for Selwood, Pendelbury, Cotchin, Fyfe, Rioli, and there is your answer, unfortunatly you arent honest enough to answer what is fair for players of that ability.

Believe it or not, I too want Adelaide to be compensated fairly. Two first round draft picks as compensation is fair in my mind. What I don't want is Geelong handing over two first round draft picks plus a player or two, as that is overs. So, just as I want the AFL to afford compensation to Adelaide by way of an additional, end of first round compensation draft pick to complement pick #14, I am almost certain that Mr. Dangerfield would echo my sentiments. I dare say that if you were to ask young Paddy how he feels about Geelong, the team he wishes to play for and succeed with, handing over precious first round draft picks and players, I'd say the reception you'd receive would be cooler than luke warm.

 

[FAITH]

Believe it or not, I too want Adelaide to be compensated fairly. Two first round draft picks as compensation is fair in my mind. What I don't want is Geelong handing over two first round draft picks plus a player or two, as that is overs. So, just as I want the AFL to afford compensation to Adelaide by way of an additional, end of first round compensation draft pick to complement pick #14, I am almost certain that Mr. Dangerfield would echo my sentiments. I dare say that if you were to ask young Paddy how he feels about Geelong, the team he wishes to play for and succeed with, handing over precious first round draft picks and players, I'd say the reception you'd receive would be cooler than luke warm.

clubs don't exist to help Geelong get stronger.
If you want quality you have to give quality.

 

[Mahlepi]

Ok Patrick Dangerfiedl is a two faced liar according to yourself, dont believe a word the man utters because he talks out of his arse, is that what you feel. Or will you say he is saying it to hide and run for cover because he cant stand up and be a man and take responsibility?

marty, patrick lied
he said he hadnt decided etc when he clearly had

 

[FAITH]

Reading through this thead I have come to the realization that these Geelong idiots are a bigger bunch of inbreds than those Carlton idiots poluting our board when we were trading for Jacobs and were interested in Walker.

they're are a special kind geelong supporters, luckily for us the people who work for gfc are quality.

 

[Mahlepi]

clubs don't exist to help Geelong get stronger.
If you want quality you have to give quality.

this is a circular argument
as geelong didnt get value for ablett
you go betts for nothing
everyone has their own viewpoint depending on the side of the discussion

this whole issue is the afl's fault
is spud frawley is pick 3, then danger is pick 1 & 2 - and no-one will argue with that
all these rules are comprimised

 

[Mahlepi]

PAF is right in what he says here ... we all know that the Hawks couldn't match, and if Geelong did the same as Sydney we would be in the same boat.

If you take away all of the hot-air all of the what-ifs and look at the facts, the Hawks lost a guy that was an impact player - highly marketable - and in my mind influenced the results of games (big games) more than PD ... and they got eff-all for him.

We are going to do fine out of PD's trade, because we will do what is best for our club OVER-ALL. You cannot preach team-first, then build your future around individuals.

The Hawks did the right thing too. They couldn't hamstring their club with a contract like that - look how that is panning out for Sydney. Hawks won premierships. Sydney didn't, and are about to be stuffed for years because of Buddy's contract (unless the AFL weasel out of it)

I think Geelong are doing the right thing too. They are not selling their club for one huge contract. They are not selling their future in draft picks and youth. They are doing what is right for the longer term by securing PD at a price they can afford.

Adelaide have had enough experience in getting this stuff wrong (as have most clubs) to know where they need to be in terms of a good result. Will each side try and push that line a little more in their favour - sure. Will either side just cave in and sell the farm? No.

PAF, I agree. We are a much better run club than we have been in the past, and we will get a suitable return and move onto 2016 and beyond.

The future looks good to me (I avoided saying "bright" ). Pyke will be a great long term coach. We will sign up some real talent this year. We will build a team that will continue our club's trajectory.

marty can you please explain to me why you felt that PD owed the crows an early warning of his intentions
as it seems clubs want to look after themselves and not the player
the henderson situation was a joke
the crows and cats seem to be in better talks
the afl needs to do the right thing and we can all move on

 

[Brentmeister]

this is a circular argument
as geelong didnt get value for ablett
you go betts for nothing
everyone has their own viewpoint depending on the side of the discussion

this whole issue is the afl's fault
is spud frawley is pick 3, then danger is pick 1 & 2 - and no-one will argue with that
all these rules are comprimised

Ablett wasn't a free agent. Crows didn't have to give a pick for Betts because Carlton didn't want to pay him what we were offering.

Next?

 

[CROW70]

Believe it or not, I too want Adelaide to be compensated fairly. Two first round draft picks as compensation is fair in my mind. What I don't want is Geelong handing over two first round draft picks plus a player or two, as that is overs. So, just as I want the AFL to afford compensation to Adelaide by way of an additional, end of first round compensation draft pick to complement pick #14, I am almost certain that Mr. Dangerfield would echo my sentiments. I dare say that if you were to ask young Paddy how he feels about Geelong, the team he wishes to play for and succeed with, handing over precious first round draft picks and players, I'd say the reception you'd receive would be cooler than luke warm.

pick 9 and Cockatoo should fair

 

[Paladin]

If it meant getting him for nothing in two years then why not. Would Adelaide be happy with Danger for two years more and then lose him for nothing? But, I suspect that Danger approached Geelong just as much as Geelong approached Danger. Danger agreed to terms in October 2014 and Geelong committed to Danger to get him to Geelong. It will be fascinating to see how it all works out from this point forward.

If Danger stays for 2 more we still get a compo pick.

 

[Mahlepi]

Ablett wasn't a free agent. Crows didn't have to give a pick for Betts because Carlton didn't want to pay him what we were offering.

Next?

the argument was around getting something for nothing, and you got betts for nix
smart play as you won well on that deal or non deal

 

[Mahlepi]

pick 9 and Cockatoo should fair

if thats ade position geelong should just slap a two year 1.4 mil deal on him

 

[Scorpus]

Apparently, according to Fox, we should trade a C grade player for an A grade player and a first round pick upgrade while also taking the compensation.

That would make sense, if the A grade player they listed was actually an A grade player.

 

[FAITH]

this is a circular argument
as geelong didnt get value for ablett
you go betts for nothing
everyone has their own viewpoint depending on the side of the discussion

this whole issue is the afl's fault
is spud frawley is pick 3, then danger is pick 1 & 2 - and no-one will argue with that
all these rules are comprimised

as I said don't really care about what you think, I care more about what your club thinks and I think they are quality who don't try to screw other clubs.

 

[Johnny Rutten]

if thats ade position geelong should just slap a two year 1.4 mil deal on him

Does your CAPS LOCK not work? Put some effort in.

 

[marty36]

Believe it or not, I too want Adelaide to be compensated fairly. Two first round draft picks as compensation is fair in my mind. What I don't want is Geelong handing over two first round draft picks plus a player or two, as that is overs. So, just as I want the AFL to afford compensation to Adelaide by way of an additional, end of first round compensation draft pick to complement pick #14, I am almost certain that Mr. Dangerfield would echo my sentiments. I dare say that if you were to ask young Paddy how he feels about Geelong, the team he wishes to play for and succeed with, handing over precious first round draft picks and players, I'd say the reception you'd receive would be cooler than luke warm.

We all would love to bring the compensation pick into play as it means we need one less 1st rounder off you and the trade becomes a hell of a lot easier. Problem is we cant swap a fourth rounder for pick 9 what needs to be swapped for pick 9 needs to be of equal value for the 6 millionth time Ken Woods has stated compo deals are in isolation. Another deal will be looked at and it needs to equivelant which if you have half a brain means we dont come out of the second deal we could have without PD being involved as it will be a break even . So thanks for the pick 14 pick from compo. Dont you realise how the AFL dont allow for dodgy deals and the fact this case is so bloody high profile every other club in the AFL will be watching it and waiting for a precedent to be set so they can refer back to it in the future and flaunt the rules. Woods will be so bloody careful as will the clubs it will be painful to watch.

Its a trade or nothing, youre right two first rounders is a bare minimum a lot would say a player aswell which could be justified as I have no doubt that is what you would want for Selwoood or the Pies would want for Pendelbury, getting back to the fair compensation PD has publicly stated.

 

[Mahlepi]

Does your CAPS LOCK not work? Put some effort in.

Its a public holiday today. The shift key is on double pay today