Vic Daniel Andrews and the Statue of Limitations

[Sttew]

i have no idea mate

Good! Let’s just leave it that then!

BTW, get the guy’s surname right if you are going to slag off about him, LOL

 

[Sttew]

every single job the spanner got was because his report was guarenteed to suit those who hired him - always conservative Govts and think tanks. He's an academic whore. Just out of interest - you ever work in the education sphere? or just get your "expertise" from from listening to people like Connelly?

Is that Billy or Rohan?

 

[Reg Grundy35]

You really are a bitter Grinch. Why do you bother?

because of caustic dickheads who want to run Govt schools into the ground i guess

 

[Johnny Bananas]

Moira Deeming v John Pesutto

Oh yay, two toll roads that absolutely nothing to solve congestion! You really are ignorant! Do you think Melbourne is a static city? In 1996 its population was 3 million. It’s now 5.5 million. The two tunnels and Citylink connected three freeways and you mock it as inconsequential...

www.bigfooty.com

Frank Bunn since I can't respond in the original thread, I'll respond here.

The old 'states don't control immigration' chestnut.

Morrison went to COAG wanting to gain the states’ co-operation in lowering Australia’s migration rate.

He never needed their cooperation. Immigration rates are under the control of the Immigration Minister, Prime Minister and Federal Parliament. If Morrison really wanted low immigration, he would have done it and told the states to like it or lump it.

I suspect what Morrison was trying to do was to keep looking tough on immigration while still following the instructions of his corporate donors to keep skilled immigration levels high, so he brought immigration to COAG so he could use the state Premiers as his scapegoat.

Andrews maintained he was neutral on Melbourne's population growth but he voted against the proposal. Only Gladys Berejiklian for NSW was in favour.

Andrews supported high immigration because it allowed him to claim economic growth. It's fake because GDP growth per person is stagnant. Victorians are not getting better off financially, while Melbourne is becoming an overcrowded shit hole.

No, Andrews said very specifically what his priority was for that meeting: infrastructure funding, not economic growth.



He also said this:



It's possible Morrison argued that lower immigration meant lower infrastructure funding, which ran against what Andrews came there for. And honestly I think Andrews' priorities were right, because we could easily take the number of immigrants we do with no hit to quality of life if we made all the necessary infrastructure improvements (building more homes, roads, rail, hospitals, schools etc). We're not a poor country, and the economic boost from immigration should be more than enough to pay for infrastructure improvements.

The reason we don't do that is the structural problem with Australian government - providing this infrastructure is almost entirely the responsibility of the states, but most tax revenue accrues to the Federal Government, who do not fund infrastructure anywhere near as much as they should. We've had years of serious underfunding of infrastructure, and I don't blame Andrews for not wanting to lose any. Heck, the reason Brisbane launched a bid for the Olympics was to get the miserly Federal Government to part with the money they always should have been spending on infrastructure.

One could argue that lower immigration means a lesser need for infrastructure, but a lot of infrastructure scales well: if I'm building a new railway line with 15 minute services or a new major public hospital, they can serve 200 000 people just as well as they can serve 50 000. So the infrastructure is more important.

 

[Sinjin Smith]

Donnelly is a geriatric loony who gets trotted out when the IPA want to slag schools under labor government. He knows "heck all" about contemporary education. I was in that game for 40 years and the libs were trotting that fwit right through it. All he is good for is writing supportive articles for RW pollies. No school would seriously look at his theories for kids. They'd be laughed at.

I know one that did in fact very seriously.

 

[FIGJAM]

In May last year the Victorian government signed a $1.7 billion contract for Conduent Business Services to run Victoria’s Myki ticketing system for the next 15 years. The Auditor General ripped through the Labour government's handing of the Myki fiasco budget blow out.

I really need to know what sort of kickback and/or long lunch resulted in the decision to overlook a provider (Cubic) who had an 'out of the box' product that works seamlessly in Sydney and Singapore, that was significantly cheaper and didn't need to be developed to allow credit card payments, to getting a more expensive option that has blown out massively in cost, didn't have the technology developed in the first place and at best looks like taking years (from today!!).

https://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/victoria/victorias-17bn-myki-upgrade-facing-turmoil-after-company-exit-credit-card-tapandgo-years-away/news-story/0d29bbae50fd6d9e7af0cc457a98e23f

Andrews government defends myki contract amid fierce criticism from Opal card operator

A firm has revealed in a letter to Premier Daniel Andrews that its bid to take over the myki ticketing system was $100 million cheaper than the winning bid.

www.abc.net.au

Doubts raised about US firm handed $1.7bn to fix myki

The company runs public transport payment systems in cities around the world, but promised features like open payments remain unavailable in many places.

www.abc.net.au

The incompetence of the Andrews government knows no bounds. The literally needed (and still need under Allan) to do a 'George Costanza' and do the exact opposite of their natural instincts.

 

[Sttew]

I really need to know what sort of kickback and/or long lunch resulted in the decision to overlook a provider (Cubic) who had an 'out of the box' product that works seamlessly in Sydney and Singapore, that was significantly cheaper and didn't need to be developed to allow credit card payments, to getting a more expensive option that has blown out massively in cost, didn't have the technology developed in the first place and at best looks like taking years (from today!!).

https://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/victoria/victorias-17bn-myki-upgrade-facing-turmoil-after-company-exit-credit-card-tapandgo-years-away/news-story/0d29bbae50fd6d9e7af0cc457a98e23f

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Andrews government defends myki contract amid fierce criticism from Opal card operator

A firm has revealed in a letter to Premier Daniel Andrews that its bid to take over the myki ticketing system was $100 million cheaper than the winning bid.

www.abc.net.au

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Doubts raised about US firm handed $1.7bn to fix myki

The company runs public transport payment systems in cities around the world, but promised features like open payments remain unavailable in many places.

www.abc.net.au

The incompetence of the Andrews government knows no bounds. The literally needed (and still need under Allan) to do a 'George Costanza' and do the exact opposite of their natural instincts.

We got our first taste of this during Covid with Hotel Quarantine. Victoria had to do its own thing, remember the "Gold Standard"?

The Myki fiasco is a sheer and utter embarrassment. NSW introduced OPAL after we got Myki, but NSW didn't try and reinvent the wheel; it adapted London's Oyster card system. And get this, Opal cards never expire and can be used on ferries, buses, trains and the light rail. The Allan government is arguing the delays in Victoria are partly because our transport system is so complicated because we run buses, trams and trains! NSW runs 4 different public transport systems and you can use your credit card to tap on.

This Labor government is just too proud and pigheaded to admit it ****ed the ticketing system up and should just adapt an existing system like Opal.

 

[Pakenhamsaint]

NSW introduced OPAL after we got Myki, but NSW didn't try and reinvent the wheel;

They had to change thier ticketing system to suit.
Look up MyZone.

And get this, Opal cards never expire and can be used on ferries, buses, trains and the light rail.

And until Myzone that never used to happen.
You would have to buy separate tickets if you took a private bus and a train and the light rail

 

[Sttew]

They had to change thier ticketing system to suit.
Look up MyZone.


And until Myzone that never used to happen.
You would have to buy separate tickets if you took a private bus and a train and the light rail

Didn’t Opal succeed Myzone?

Regardless, Myki is inferior. It expires unlike Opal. You can tap on with any credit card, unlike Myki. And it is fast. Not sure when you last used Myki,
but swiping it on the panel is not instantaneous

 

[Pakenhamsaint]

Didn’t Opal succeed Myzone?

Yes. MyZone was them unifying thier ticketing for Opal. NSW learned from thier first attempt at a smart card which was TCard.

Not sure when you last used Myki,
but swiping it on the panel is not instantaneous

Quite literally yesterday. The only slow readers are the old green ACS ones. The grey VIX ones are no different to Opal.

All are getting replaced with the Conduent readers. Which will enable the contactless payment

 

[Sttew]

All are getting replaced with the Conduent readers. Which will enable the contactless payment

When? In 2023 Ben Carol announced it was imminent. If we’re lucky it won’t happen until 2026 just in time for the election. That said the senior executive who has quit Convergint says tap and go is years away!

Can you at least admit the government has handled this poorly? The HUN is reporting that as of September 2024 23,000 device readers had been ordered and they may not be compatible! Conduent hasn’t obtained banking certification for credit cards to tap and go and no testing has been done on whether the new technology is compatible with Myki cards.

 

[peetoo]

It’s being trialed in actual physical trials in a regional city

 

[Pakenhamsaint]

When? In 2023 Ben Carol announced it was imminent. If we’re lucky it won’t happen until 2026 just in time for the election. That said the senior executive who has quit Convergint says tap and go is years away!

The trial for contactless started last year in Wangaratta.

Trial for 'tap and go' payments on Victorian public transport begins

www.9news.com.au

Conduent hasn’t obtained banking certification for credit cards to tap and go and no testing has been done on whether the new technology is compatible with Myki cards.

They're same readers Adelaide has which has contactless.

 

[Sttew]

The trial for contactless started last year in Wangaratta.

Trial for 'tap and go' payments on Victorian public transport begins

www.9news.com.au

They're same readers Adelaide has which has contactless.

Keep defending this hapless government! The proof will be in the eating of the pudding.

 

[Pakenhamsaint]

Keep defending this hapless government! The proof will be in the eating of the pudding.

I'm stating facts.
Not once have I even mentioned the government.

It does appear you however are blinded by your own bias.

 

[peetoo]

Keep defending this hapless government! The proof will be in the eating of the pudding.

Sarcasm?

 

[Sttew]

I'm stating facts.
Not once have I even mentioned the government.

It does appear you however are blinded by your own bias.

And you're not blinded by your bias? You blindly defend the government on EVERYTHING!

I can be biased but not on this one. I have travelled on public transport systems in Sydney, Brisbane, and London, to name a few, and our system is so outdated and is now besieged by controversy. And we are no closer to a resolution in Melbourne.

Tell an overseas traveller. Before you get on a tram or train you must have a Myki card which you cannot buy on the tram or train. You can't use your credit card like you can elsewhere. Oh, and that Myki card will expire after 4 years. There are hundreds of thousands of expired cards with millions of dollars on them. I still have the same Oyster and Opal cards I purchased respectively in 2005 and 2008!

 

[Pakenhamsaint]

And you're not blinded by your bias? You blindly defend the government on EVERYTHING!

And once again I've not mentioned the government. I've stated facts.

I can be biased but not on this one. I have travelled on public transport systems in Sydney, Brisbane, and London, to name a few, and our system is so outdated and is now besieged by controversy. And we are no closer to a resolution in Melbourne.

Sydney's is new. Brisbane is currently upgrading thiers. London upgraded thiers.
We are starting to do the same. That's why there's a trial in Wangaratta.

Tell an overseas traveller. Before you get on a tram or train you must have a Myki card which you cannot buy on the tram or train. You can't use your credit card like you can elsewhere. Oh, and that Myki card will expire after 4 years. There are hundreds of thousands of expired cards with millions of dollars on them. I still have the same Oyster and Opal cards I purchased respectively in 2005 and 2008!

Requiring a card is quite common and not usual to Melbourne.
Contactless payment is relatively new around the world.

Not being able to by a card or ticket for that matter is common. Even more so post covid.
Myki was supposed to have card vending and top up machines but the Bailleu Government binned them. Even when they were quite literally sitting in a warehouse ready to be installed.

Card expiry is common as to keep up with technology and security protocol changes. Your Opal card expires 13 years. An OMNY card in New York expires in 7. Ov chipkaart in the Netherlands is 5.
Why does it exist:

Has London's Oyster travelcard system been cracked?

Researchers have managed to clone cards and take free rides on on the Underground network

www.theguardian.com

The original Mifare Classic cards used by Oyster have a vulnerability. Now they use Mifare Desfire EV1.

 

[Not Important]

i’m loving how dan is living rent-free in the reactionary's heads. keep it going folks, it’s popcorn munching enjoyable.

 

[Sttew]

i’m loving how dan is living rent-free in the reactionary's heads. keep it going folks, it’s popcorn munching enjoyable.

That's why Dan (and Allan) will cost Albo dearly in Victoria in the forthcoming federal election.

 

[Jane Doe]

i’m loving how dan is living rent-free in the reactionary's heads. keep it going folks, it’s popcorn munching enjoyable.

No doubt that will change when they cost Albanese the election

 

[Pakenhamsaint]

That's why Dan (and Allan) will cost Albo dearly in Victoria in the forthcoming federal election.

Contrary to popular belief people can separate state and federal issues.

 

[Jane Doe]

Contrary to popular belief people can separate state and federal issues.

Wouldn't have thought so. Look at the last federal election. Albanese rode the wave of Mcgowan's popularity to win seats that basically put him in the lodge.

 

[Sttew]

Contrary to popular belief people can separate state and federal issues.

They should be able to but doesn't always happen that way. Labor is Labor, and Kos Samaris, a former Labor Strategist, has no doubt voters will punish Labor in Victoria for the sins of the state government

 

[blueboy25]

Wouldn't have thought so. Look at the last federal election. Albanese rode the wave of Mcgowan's popularity to win seats that basically put him in the lodge.

Or people were sick of Morrison and his smirk and his secret ministries