Daniel Cross

[Derek Zoolander]

I'll take this out of The Ching and start another thread as i'm sure it's bound to promote some talk...

I had another look at the replay. In my opinion Cross was beaten. From the centre, boundary and general play rucks, he got one clearance for the whole day, and that went straight to a Hawthorn player. Its his job to get the ball out of the centre and from boundary ruck taps and driive it forward. He didn't do that. Failed dismally. I don't go to the stats and then decide how to give votes.


Rocco (Jason - my ex-mate!!), Cross with his X amount of possessions was beaten by his opposite players on the day. Hence no votes. If I have Sam Newman type ignorance, how should your ignorance be described?

I would hope that you would rather have said the C.E. gives his votes based upon his own values, which is the way that we should all give our votes and not be influenced by others.

You may be dismayed that I didn't give Cross votes today but equally I was shocked to see people give him best on ground. .. Just like I was shocked some weeks ago when people gave Grant votes against Brisbane, when I think that he was soundly beaten by Brown.

Some people are just Cross-eyed.

This post makes me cry.

You will not convince someone who just refuses to be convinced. He runs his ********ing guts out to create space and is always in and under getting the ball out. Combine this with being a link man and it's the reason he has so many handballs. I don't want to have a go at you, but your opinions and views on Cross stink of narrow mindedness.

I do apologise, everyone is entitled to their opinion yadda yadda yadda, but your opinion is wrong or at the very least, the reasons you are using to back up your opinions are.

BTW - Brown kicked 1 on Harris and 1 on someone else... Shaggy? v Brisbane. Grant had him beat.

 

[Sedat!]

He has the best hands in the competition ATM. That makes him extremely valuable in our line-up as a player who can win his share of contested ball. His value in giving Westy a chop-out in this area will prolong Westy's career by another 12 months. Very courageous and a great tackler. His kicking skills have improved and are now reasonable, but the quickness of his hands in close is top shelf in the AFL.

He is fantastic.

 

[Dog Town]

Apologies for rail roading The Ching thread.People can vote for whoever they like as each poster likes different things in footballers.I was responding to the posts on Cross and hope that people continue to vote for themselves.Old School can we get the Cross posts moved into this thread if possible?

 

[dogupya]

The way he throws himself into every contest and dives on the ball when players are charging at it is just what i wanna see. He puts himself in a postition to get polaxed everytime and backs himself and manages to get quick hangs onto the ball is a pleasure to watch. You Sir need to stay away from stats and actually watch the game, you'll be amazed by what you discover!! Good lord... His form is a class ATM and listening to SEN this morning the whole team were heaping praise on his performance. Not that it matters what they say but it seems all but you thought his game was poor.

 

[Derek Zoolander]

Apologies for rail roading The Ching thread.People can vote for whoever they like as each poster likes different things in footballers.I was responding to the posts on Cross and hope that people continue to vote for themselves.Old School can we get the Cross posts moved into this thread if possible?

People who don't vote in the Ching (like me generally) tend not to read it and i thought it an interesting topic, so hopefully we can get some discussion up on it!

 

[Dog Town]

In my opinion our centres lost today.

We lost the centre bounces and clearances. If the centremen can win the centre clearances they will get more votes from me. Also I rate long runs with bounces very highly and as you know there are no stats for these.

You will note that when our middle players had a lot of possessions last week, we lost. In my opinion high possessions does not equate to votes.

I also do not rate a handball as effective as a kick. For example I rate a long raking goal by Eagleton as say half a dozen handball by other players. I also rate other things such as hits and spoils.

Any centre player must get more possessions than forwards or backmen.

I think that whilst Cross does get a lot of possessions he is a player who does not hurt. He does less hurt than West.

I think that many players on this board over-rate Cross and it annoys me somewhat. Therefore I have to sometimes go to ridiculous extremes to counter what I believe is unwarrented idolatory of this player.

We pretty much broke even in the clearances even though Everit had 33 hit outs 13 of which went directly to his players.That is an outstanding effort from West,Cross and Cooney combined.

Also I think you have to make an exception to the handball is less effective than a kick rule with Crossy.Some of his handballing was insane yesterday.What sort of value would you put on something like in the third quarter when he picked the ball up off a marking contest at half forward and shovelled it up to Guido all in one motion?Guido missed the goal but IMO that ******** is worth 2 kicks.There were 6 or 7 instances yesterday where I was just in awe of his ground skills and quick hands.

Notice the difference at Brisbane when Simon Black isn't going well?Crossy is our Simon Black.

 

[Dog Town]

I had another look at the replay. In my opinion Cross was beaten. From the centre, boundary and general play rucks, he got one clearance for the whole day, and that went straight to a Hawthorn player. Its his job to get the ball out of the centre and from boundary ruck taps and driive it forward. He didn't do that. Failed dismally. I don't go to the stats and then decide how to give votes.


Rocco (Jason - my ex-mate!!), Cross with his X amount of possessions was beaten by his opposite players on the day. Hence no votes. If I have Sam Newman type ignorance, how should your ignorance be described?

I would hope that you would rather have said the C.E. gives his votes based upon his own values, which is the way that we should all give our votes and not be influenced by others.

You may be dismayed that I didn't give Cross votes today but equally I was shocked to see people give him best on ground. .. Just like I was shocked some weeks ago when people gave Grant votes against Brisbane, when I think that he was soundly beaten by Brown.

Some people are just Cross-eyed.

I didn't have to go to the stats sheet either to make my mind up.Theres some thing that are easy in footy and there are things that only the really quality players can do.Linking up for cheap handball recieves can be done by anyone who can run and has half a footy brain but winning your own ball and being able to fire handpasses to your mates anywhere in a 360 degree circle is something that only a couple of players can dur in close work has improved out of sight this year and its no coincidence with someone who has hands like Crossy around the ball.

If your anything like me at the footy I feel pretty comfortable when we have the ball but its when they have it or when its in dispute that I get nervous and thats why Crossy stands out for me.

 

[ErnieSigley]

I remember supporters at the Whitten Oval bagging Scott West early in his career.

As for Crossy I was wrong about him and I'm prepared to admit it. Gun.
I think Simon Black is a much better kick and I'd say Cross is a more of an in and under player.

 

[whythelongface]

I understand that each individual is entitled to their own opinion. However i don't understand how people can't see how valuable both Crossy and Westy are to the team. If you don't have players like this you don't get the ball and guess what if you don't have the ball you can't score.

It is all well and good to heap praise for scoring long range goals etc. (ala Eagleton yesterday - god knows I did - I even rated Eagle on my ching more highly than Crossy and Westy as he did alot of good things that both Crossy and Westy do not just on a 50m range effort) but at the end of the day it is these hard ball gets that allow you have those efforts on goal. Unfortunately, a lot of times these seem to go unnoticed and it is the glamour players who get brownlow points or other votes.

 

[Derek Zoolander]

A thread from 12 months ago...

A friend of CE?

 

[whythelongface]

A thread from 12 months ago...

A friend of CE?

Interesting. I wonder if Desipura has changed his opinion of Crossy.

 

[Top Dog]

A thread from 12 months ago...

A friend of CE?

Geez that was a good post if I dont say so myself I love watching him go about his business, works his ring off and should be an inspiration to his team mates just for his dedication, persistence and hard work.

Or if he got a game. That would be a start.

How do you know he would be a run with player at best? And by the way Brett Kirk is a run with player currenlty getting alot of recognition. I dont agree he can only become a run with player.. thats crap. At VFL level he doesn't run with anyone and consistently gets 25+ touches. Why couldnt he do it playing seniors? It's only a matter of opportunity.

If he doesnt get picked this week thats bull****... Play him on Hayes or whoever.. just put him in the middle. He might not be as flashy as McMahon but in future years McMahon, Guido and the ilk will need someone feeding the ball out to them. With no West who will fill that void?

 

[trizzles]

I saw a lot of his football at Werribee a few years ago and he was always the reliable type and is, in my opinion, an extremely talented young footballer. He is a great fella, and I am glad to see him making the most of senior football.

 

[X_box_X]

I'm surprised not one person has mentioned his defensive efforts. We only have a few players who have a defensive orientated game, and Cross is certainly one of them. He is always diving into packs and locking the ball up so the opposition cannot break away with the ball. He, like Westy, is usually the one at the bottom of packs. Libba and Romero were also good at this. It's a shame we don't have another two similar players so we'd be more switched on defensively.

I've said it before and I'll say it again. You can have the best backline in the league, but that won't necessarily stop the opposition from kicking a fairly large winning score. It's the defensive pressure from the midfield that counts most.

 

[SonOfScray]

His ability to smother the ball consistently is also an admirable trait.

 

[paul scholes]

We pretty much broke even in the clearances even though Everit had 33 hit outs 13 of which went directly to his players.That is an outstanding effort from West,Cross and Cooney combined.

Also I think you have to make an exception to the handball is less effective than a kick rule with Crossy.Some of his handballing was insane yesterday.What sort of value would you put on something like in the third quarter when he picked the ball up off a marking contest at half forward and shovelled it up to Guido all in one motion?Guido missed the goal but IMO that ******** is worth 2 kicks.There were 6 or 7 instances yesterday where I was just in awe of his ground skills and quick hands.

Notice the difference at Brisbane when Simon Black isn't going well?Crossy is our Simon Black.

crossy is a massive improver under rocket, just needs to improve his kicking.

 

[Derek Zoolander]

Geez that was a good post if I dont say so myself I love watching him go about his business, works his ring off and should be an inspiration to his team mates just for his dedication, persistence and hard work.

I like my comparison too

 

[Fossie 32]

I saw a lot of his football at Werribee a few years ago and he was always the reliable type and is, in my opinion, an extremely talented young footballer. He is a great fella, and I am glad to see him making the most of senior football.

Rocket was asked yesterday about having a go at Crossy a while ago and Rocket said, yeah, he didn't like it much because he is a *perfectionist*.....[but he took it on board]

Thought that was high praise!

 

[MeestaNob]

I remember supporters at the Whitten Oval bagging Scott West early in his career.

Hehe.

It's funny how opinions will change over time, just like players abilities.

I used to think Brad Johnson wouldn't make it. Remember when Johno first started, his kicking for goal made him look like the biggest un-co ever to play the game, but he's safe as houses in front of the big sticks now and reckon he's awesome.

Funny what a few years do!

 

[C.E.Lovett]

There are none so blind as those who will not see. (No, I'm not referring to myself).

To all of you Cross-eyed self-delusioned people, read and learn. Here is some education for you.

My idea of a centre player is someone who can take the ball out of centre bounces and boundary throw-ins and run or kick it forward. A good centre player cuts up the opposition by run and kicks the long goal. He is a player who creates goals.

Cross is woefully deficient at both of these. That, in my opinion is his main job. He was absolutely KILLED yesterday. He was absolutley KILLED against West Coast and yet you abusers of intelligent people with an opposing view (me) gave him votes. INCREDIBLE??

There are a lot of people who confuse things about Cross. Great-handballer, tackler, nice mark, tries hard, gets lots of possessions - you confuse this with the job he is supposed to be doing, that he isn't doing and that is winning the ball at stoppages, driving forward, cutting them up and creating goals.

Ah, Buckley, Judd, Cousins, Sam Mitchell (who was beaten by West yesterday), Voss, Bell, Harvey, Hazelby, Riccuito, there are plenty more and there have been plenty in the past. These are guys who can win you a game off their own boot. Cross is nowhere in their class, absolutely nowhere and he never will be because he hasn't got the skills.

For example he can't pick the ball up from a centre bouncedown, run forward and boot a goal. He has to handball it off to somebody more competant. If he had this skill he would be showing it week in week out, but he doesn't, because he hasn't.

However, Cross is an able fill-in until we get a good centre-man.

I expect the replies to this email to be all apologetic (knowing what gentlemen and ladies that you probably all are).

 

[scooter600x]

I expect the replies to this email to be all apologetic (knowing what gentlemen and ladies that you probably all are).

I'm sorry your so ********ing stupid.

 

[Planck]

I expect the replies to this email to be all apologetic (knowing what gentlemen and ladies that you probably all are).

Email?

 

[whythelongface]

Ah, Buckley, Judd, Cousins, Sam Mitchell (who was beaten by West yesterday), Voss, Bell, Harvey, Hazelby, Riccuito, there are plenty more and there have been plenty in the past. These are guys who can win you a game off their own boot. Cross is nowhere in their class, absolutely nowhere and he never will be because he hasn't got the skills.

Are people comparing Cross to these elite players? There are players in every team who do the hard yards and the 1 per centres that get the ball to these players so that they can then run th eball and kick the ball long. We will have players of that ability ala Cooney, Ray, Griffen etc. who will be able to do these things - but you still need players to get down and do the tough stuff such as lay tackles, dive in at the feet of opponents, dive on the loose ball all these things. How the hell do you get the ball unless you have the best ruckman in the business who wins every tap and directs straight into the arms of one of these elite midfielders you are talking about.

Give the kid a break he is a decent footballer who plays a substantial role in our team and will form an awesome centre combination with Cooney et al in years to come.

Look at Brett Kirk he is not blessed with blistering pace, elusive skills, long kicking ability - but who would be the first person chosen in the Swans team. yep you guessed it Brett Kirk - this is the type of player every club needs and Daniel Cross is that type of player at our club.

 

[Derek Zoolander]

There are none so blind as those who will not see. (No, I'm not referring to myself).

To all of you Cross-eyed self-delusioned people, read and learn. Here is some education for you.

My idea of a centre player is someone who can take the ball out of centre bounces and boundary throw-ins and run or kick it forward. A good centre player cuts up the opposition by run and kicks the long goal. He is a player who creates goals.

Cross is woefully deficient at both of these. That, in my opinion is his main job. He was absolutely KILLED yesterday. He was absolutley KILLED against West Coast and yet you abusers of intelligent people with an opposing view (me) gave him votes. INCREDIBLE??

There are a lot of people who confuse things about Cross. Great-handballer, tackler, nice mark, tries hard, gets lots of possessions - you confuse this with the job he is supposed to be doing, that he isn't doing and that is winning the ball at stoppages, driving forward, cutting them up and creating goals.

Ah, Buckley, Judd, Cousins, Sam Mitchell (who was beaten by West yesterday), Voss, Bell, Harvey, Hazelby, Riccuito, there are plenty more and there have been plenty in the past. These are guys who can win you a game off their own boot. Cross is nowhere in their class, absolutely nowhere and he never will be because he hasn't got the skills.

For example he can't pick the ball up from a centre bouncedown, run forward and boot a goal. He has to handball it off to somebody more competant. If he had this skill he would be showing it week in week out, but he doesn't, because he hasn't.

However, Cross is an able fill-in until we get a good centre-man.

I expect the replies to this email to be all apologetic (knowing what gentlemen and ladies that you probably all are).

 

[Cyberdoggie]

"Well i'm proud to admit that i've always believed in cross.
I think he's the bees knees and will only get better."

I said this back then and i still think he's great.

not all midfielders have to be chris judd you know.

diesel, ratten, libba for example.