Daniel Harris

[kevind]

How much of his kicking have you seen?
Is his general kicking poor, or only kicking for goal? I would say the latter; has good skills around the ground.

What's the history of players who are poor shots for goal becoming very good players? Buddy Franklin, Matthew Richardson, Travis Cloke...

Given he could possibly play back, or even on the wing, his possibly poor goal kicking may be a non factor. Also, his poor kicking for goal at the senior level, could largely be put down to nerves, no reason that could not be improved on.

Speaking of improvement - Did you know that Cloke improved from 39-39 last season, as well as 6-12 and 10-16 the two seasons before, to 40-25 this season? That seems to be a significant improvement.

I saw him play a whole game with Willi against Pt Melb on ABC last year. He didn 't have any shots at goal from memory. Played reasonably well except for some atrocious field kicking. One of his kicks under no real pressure ,as it was from taking an uncontested mark between wing and half forward, travelled about 30 metres at almost a 90 degree angle.

The commentators laughed and duly commented that his kicking was a big problem. I am not Robinson Crusoe in noting that he is a poor kick.

Has Tarrant, Rhys Shaw, Ben Johnson, Shane O'Bree, Presti or the many other butchers of the ball improved their kicking over their careers????? I have been watching footy for over 40 years and the only player I can remember improving their kicking to any degree was Stewart Lowe. Reid will need almost a miracle to become a good kick. I know he has talent in other areas but I strongly believe in Hawthorn's recruiting philosophy of never recruiting players who are not good kicks.

It was their kicking skills above anything else that won them the flag.

 

[__aria__]

Disagree on all counts, the stats certainly don't show it.
He's a worse version of O'Bree, partly due to being slightly shaded for pace and kicking ability, and his inability to run out games. Though the big difference is the mental side. There's a reason why O'Bree's held in such high esteem at Collingwood, his attitude and commitment to the game are supreme. Harris has been questioned in this area by Laidley.

Anyway, it's probably Collingwood bias that has me place O'Bree ahead of Harris. They are actually very similar. The stats for 2008 (both played 23 games) are extraordinarily tight:

Note: O'Bree has a slight advantage in clearances (certainly not much worse as you claimed), a big advantage in contested possessions, only 3 less tackles and 8 more one percenters (does not suggest Harris being much harder at it and a much better tackler).

Now take into account Harris gets those stats playing about half as much game time

 

[Yahoodle]

It was their kicking skills above anything else that won them the flag.

Actually it was Geelong's kicking skills that won them the flag

 

[3rdMan]

Now take into account Harris gets those stats playing about half as much game time

Half the game time is an exaggeration. Irrelevant anyway, if Harris was capable of playing more game time he would (big question mark over his fitness). Also, those who play less minutes and have more breaks can go harder when they are on.

I mean, we wouldn't upgrade Rocca's stats in comparison to a forward who plays most of the game, because we know he's just not capable of a similarly sustained effort.

 

[__aria__]

Half the game time is an exaggeration. Irrelevant anyway, if Harris was capable of playing more game time he would (big question mark over his fitness). Also, those who play less minutes and have more breaks can go harder when they are on.

Harro beleives he can play a lot more game time and this is one of the main reasons he wants to leave. Very disappointed him and Laidley couldn't sort it out. Unfortunately for us i'm sure he will dominate at another club.
I think he would fit Collingwood very well. Good luck.

 

[3rdMan]

Agree that he fits our needs and would be happy to have him.
Only made the O'Bree comparison because he cops plenty of criticism from Pie fans, despite having played very well for us over a long period. With so many on the board advocating the acquisition of Harris, a player who is as similar to O'Bree as they come (almost identical stature and stats, same pros and cons), thought I'd take the opportunity to show that O'Bree's not the dud some "fans" like to label him as.

 

[HFF]

Do we really need his type of player?

Wouldn't we be much better off investing the time into Danny Stanely who is a similar type and with Burns gone an opportunity beckons for someone to stand up and take it?

I'd rather Farren Ray personally. MM could turn him into a consistent performer or even class act. He has a knack of turning ordinary performed players with plenty of untapped talent into consistent performers or stars.

That game Ray played against us in the 2006 Elimination Final was memorable. MM definitely rates players on how they perform on the big stage and that day Ray was super impressive with a BOG performance.

Should be in our calculations with Rhyce Shaw being shipped out.

 

[Optimax]

Do we really need his type of player?

Wouldn't we be much better off investing the time into Danny Stanely who is a similar type and with Burns gone an opportunity beckons for someone to stand up and take it?

I'd rather Farren Ray personally. MM could turn him into a consistent performer or even class act. He has a knack of turning ordinary performed players with plenty of untapped talent into consistent performers or stars.

That game Ray played against us in the 2006 Elimination Final was memorable. MM definitely rates players on how they perform on the big stage and that day Ray was super impressive with a BOG performance.

Should be in our calculations with Rhyce Shaw being shipped out.

Im all for giving danny more playing time, in fact i really expect him to geta decent amount next year, with no rhyce no burns etc

But no ray: he is soft, outside, poor kick, bad decision maker, and apparntly dodgy at training. Yes he played fantastically against us in 06 and i thought well that kid will be great but that was his best game to then and still is. We also have players that can play his role already on the list id prefer to play cox in the middle (and cox really does shit me) than get ray.

Ive had enough trading players that played well against us once, williams morrison and cummings were more than enough

 

[OniAu]

If we dont pick up Harris i will be FURIOUS like he will be brilliant in our Mid field we struggle to get clearences and look what we did to Medhurst

Collingwood dont be idiots his a good age 26 go out and get him use our 2nd Rounder and something else

1st Rounder = Sidebottom,Blease,Swift
Harris
Cousins

Will make a massive difference to our team and imagine if we can get Didak off for Pick 4 using that to get a Vickery Hartlett or Rich

was with you on everything , apart from the trade didak thing lol

harris
cousins and a exciting young mid from the draft

thatd be a massive boost for us going into next year.

what exactly are the roos lacking in terms of types of players though ? another big forward?

 

[Obese Arachnid]

Harris & Nth's 2nd round pick for Rusling & our third?

 

[3rdMan]

what exactly are the roos lacking in terms of types of players though ? another big forward?

Pace and skill through the midfield I'd reckon. Rhyce offers at least half of that.

Ironically, they could also do with another inside mid. Have shown some interest in Thomson.

If they don't want Rhyce, Johnson or maybe Cox, I'm not sure what we'll offer them, as I reckon we'd be reluctant to offload a second round draft pick.

I do agree with another poster, was looking forward to Stanley getting a prolonged chance as our number 2 inside mid. His opportunities would be more scarce with Harris in the team, but unless we're certain Stanley's ready, we'd be silly not to look for another mature body to add to our underdeveloped midfield after the loss of Burns.

 

[dodgeball]

i still have MASSIVE reservations about getting harris, at the start of the year me and a guy i work with were talking about duds at our clubs, i threw up the obvious egan/tooves and he said north's were harris and watt. the bloke i work with is in his 30's and was a good suburban player and knows his footy. he says harris gets alot of junk time possessions, doesn't stnad up in big games and has no pace or endurance. so this year i have been keeping an eye on north games to see how he travels, in big games north had against cats/port/finals he didn't do much, got possies when the game was over, but gets a pat on the back coz he laid 10 tackles. he gets found out on big grounds and on the big stage. something medhurst loved, just didn't ge the opportunity at the dockers. i'd rather we get mids through the draft and we will have a massive assault on the 2010 flags onwards with cousins pinch hitting in the midfield and o'bree/lockyer/rocca/presti all back up players or retired. just my opinion.

 

[gifted1]

100% agree
limited endurance, goes missing, limited skills
everyone bags obree, but he aint going nowhere and we cant have both him and harris in the same side, im not sure harris is an upgrade on obree either
stick with the draft, give hine as many picks as possible

 

[Brad Goodman]

Harris is as good as he was when he started. I'd love to say he's all of a sudden going to find an extra yard of pace and the endurance to play more minutes than he does, but you'd be very lucky if that occurred.

 

[The Royal Sampler]

Harris & Nth's 2nd round pick for Rusling & our third?

Assumes Harris' value is less than Rusling's, which is inaccurate. I doubt that Rusling and our 2nd would get the job done for Harris and North's 3rd.

 

[well left]

I'd be interested in getting Harris across but am worries about the cost involved. I reckon North might want a 2nd rounder for him and I don't think we should give that up for him.

The best option might be to get involved in a three club deal to get Thomson to North (which they are keen on according to media reports). That way we may get him for less.

That said, if that's the case, I reckon we may as well see if we could just get Thomson.