Daniel Rich: Possible Eagle in 2012?

[SwiftforPM]

Re: Rich an Eagle in 2012?

2 players in 10 years of football that wanted to return home anyway. At this stage there is no indication that Rich wants to come home and thus we'd be forced to make a play to get him here. Something I can't see Worsfold doing.

Fremantle have always actively traded for players and in the process lost a plethora of top draft picks and have nothing to show for it.

 

[bigburger]

Re: Rich an Eagle in 2012?

Fremantle have always actively traded for players and in the process lost a plethora of top draft picks and have nothing to show for it.

OK we probably shouldn't go for Rich then.

 

[bodazoka]

Re: Rich an Eagle in 2012?

OK we probably shouldn't go for Rich then.

That was not the point, you said Worsfold doesnt recruit players. Thats what everyone was replying too.

 

[eagles rule]

Re: Rich an Eagle in 2012?

2 players in 10 years of football that wanted to return home anyway. At this stage there is no indication that Rich wants to come home and thus we'd be forced to make a play to get him here. Something I can't see Worsfold doing.

I think Dalziell counts as a trade and maybe kennedy as well ,in recent times.

 

[Wirra for PM]

Re: Rich an Eagle in 2012?

Do any good coaches actively make a play for players, and if so have they ever been succesfull?

Mick M went after Luke Ball, Leigh Brown etc...

Edit: mind you they were pick-ups as opposed to poachings, so maybe they don't count.

 

[WCE_phil]

Re: Rich an Eagle in 2012?

Mick M went after Luke Ball, Leigh Brown etc...

Edit: mind you they were pick-ups as opposed to poachings, so maybe they don't count.

I would put some money down that old micky went after both ball and jolly pretty hard.

 

[Coledinho]

Did people watch the Gold Coast game. Matera, Swallow, Bennell etc. Screw Rich. These are the guys we should be targetting. Equally as likely to want a move than Rich. Going from playing with the Gold Coast to playing with Eagles will be a bit like going from playing with the Wildcats (Suns) to the LA Lakers (us) so the attraction wont only be about money although it will help

 

[Obeanie1]

We only ever trade for ex WA players who want to come home and we have Freo bidding against us. It really comes down to who the player wants to play for us or Freo.

If a decent player ask us to look at a trade deal we look at it, maybe we plant a few seeds here and there with player managers saying we are interested if they are.

Giving up 2 first rounders and a decent young player for Rich sounds pretty rich to me.

 

[BOND 007]

We only ever trade for ex WA players who want to come home and we have Freo bidding against us. It really comes down to who the player wants to play for us or Freo.

If a decent player ask us to look at a trade deal we look at it, maybe we plant a few seeds here and there with player managers saying we are interested if they are.

Giving up 2 first rounders and a decent young player for Rich sounds pretty rich to me.

Absolutely right Obeanie1 - giving up 2 x 1st rounders AND a player for ONE player is ludicrous and WC's board would hand Worsfold his nuts on a plate if he even suggested it.

It is the list managers job at all clubs to be aware of any player rumblings and to discuss the opportunities internally before making contact with a players manager. Both Rich's and Jetta's manager also look after other players who are currently on WC's and Freo's books and I'm sure both their names will crop up "casually" during discussions on these other players.

From what I hear I cant see Rich returning home in the short term and I have my doubts whether Jetta will either. You must also realize that all these boys and Yarran were 1st round selections within the last 3 years and their best football is ahead of them and as such clubs are highly highly unlikely to give them up without a major fight and quite rightly seek adequate compensation.

For those that may be inclined to say - "oh well tell em to stuff it coz he's coming home and we'll give you stuff all for him and you'll like it otherwise he'll go PSD and you will get squat" need to be realistic that

a) WC have never traded with a gun to the other clubs head and are unlikely ever to
b) its not the way to create a platform for future trading with ANY club

Sure Rich would be nice, as would Jetta as would Yarran as would Lucas and a number of other players, but it is unlikely WC would get any of these at this time unless some serious issue crops up between player and club. To chase a player from another team who is under contract puts you at a serious disdvantage come negotiation time

 

[The Falcon Strike]

I wouldn't have thought we'd have a moral issue with getting Yarran from Carlton using devious means

 

[BOND 007]

I wouldn't have thought we'd have a moral issue with getting Yarran from Carlton using devious means

Maybe not - but WC still think of themselves as above the level of what Carlton "apparently" stooped to.

Additionally - Carlton rated Yarran as the 2nd best player in that draft behind Naitanui and so they would want some serious compensation for him.

Furthermore is Yarran the type of player WC need?. You always want talented players and Yarran is one of these, but does he fill a pressing need to give up what Carlton would demand ? I wouldnt think so and I doubt WC would think so either.

 

[The Falcon Strike]

Maybe not - but WC still think of themselves as above the level of what Carlton "apparently" stooped to.

Additionally - Carlton rated Yarran as the 2nd best player in that draft behind Naitanui and so they would want some serious compensation for him.

Furthermore is Yarran the type of player WC need?. You always want talented players and Yarran is one of these, but does he fill a pressing need to give up what Carlton would demand ? I wouldnt think so and I doubt WC would think so either.

I wasn't arguing the merits of any of the players - truth be told I wouldn't be fussed with any of them yet - just the concept that we would be happy traders with Carlton. We have a solid trading record with a number of clubs like Sydney. Collingwood which I wouldn't want to tarnish - but I think that's done and dusted with Carlton - just my opinion.

Personally - i wouldn't bother trading for players until we are into finals and no exactly what player we are missing to go further.

Right now we have a lot of young blokes we hope mature into quality footballers. But we don't know which ones will and which ones won't.

Why bother attracting a Jetta if the likes of Sheppard and Smith develop into damaging fast wingers etc etc

I liked our approach when we got chick and stenglein. We had made finals and needed a bit of bulk in the team - players became available that would enhance our finals chances - and we took them.

 

[jack the ripper]

I wouldn't have thought we'd have a moral issue with getting Yarran from Carlton using devious means

i would take yarran before rich, pebbles is a one trick pony with no engine, freo are on the rite path, in the old days hill would be running around in a brissie jumper.

 

[bodazoka]

Re: Rich an Eagle in 2012?

I would put some money down that old micky went after both ball and jolly pretty hard.

Those blokes had all ready wanted to leave though, I believe the question related more to coaches who "poached" players rather then traded for them once they flagged there intentions to leave.

 

[BigVic]

Rich used to support the Eagles when he was young and a suitable deal would be Tom Swift and two first round draft picks (#4 should the Lions finish last) in exchange for Rich and a draft pick.

 

[lusheslewis]

If we gave up Swift to get Rich I would give up my membership and support Freo.

 

[Off Tap]

Did people watch the Gold Coast game. Matera, Swallow, Bennell etc. Screw Rich. These are the guys we should be targetting. Equally as likely to want a move than Rich. Going from playing with the Gold Coast to playing with Eagles will be a bit like going from playing with the Wildcats (Suns) to the LA Lakers (us) so the attraction wont only be about money although it will help

Why would anyone from the Suns want to come to the WCE, really?

They will more than likely win a flag before us as our list is crap, so the pull to come home isn't there. You would have to be mad to leave them.

The only chance we have in snagging someone is from a club on the decline/going nowhere.

 

[Obeanie1]

Why would anyone from the Suns want to come to the WCE, really?

They will more than likely win a flag before us as our list is crap, so the pull to come home isn't there. You would have to be mad to leave them.

The only chance we have in snagging someone is from a club on the decline/going nowhere.

So basically every player we have drafted is crap and every player they drafted / recruited are all guns, right?

And you worked this out after one / sorry two 40 minute NAB cup games.

Oh ok they must have heaps more first round picks than us, they did get nine remember?

Ok so we have Naitanui (2), Masten (3), Sheppard (7), Ebert (13), Hurn (13), Kennedy (5), Waters (8), Gaff (4), M Brown (16) oh and lets not forget JON (8).

 

[Off Tap]

So basically every player we have drafted is crap and every player they drafted / recruited are all guns, right?

And you worked this out after one / sorry two 40 minute NAB cup games.

Oh ok they must have heaps more first round picks than us, they did get nine remember?

Ok so we have Naitanui (2), Masten (3), Sheppard (7), Ebert (13), Hurn (13), Kennedy (5), Waters (8), Gaff (4), M Brown (16) oh and lets not forget JON (8).

Just calling it how I see it.

First round picks have nothing to do with it, it's the quality of the squad that counts.

After watching the game tonight my comments still stand. Even with natural progression, the squad we have is still a long way short and has deficiencies throughout it.

 

[Obeanie1]

Just calling it how I see it.

First round picks have nothing to do with it, it's the quality of the squad that counts.

After watching the game tonight my comments still stand. Even with natural progression, the squad we have is still a long way short and has deficiencies throughout it.

So now you have seen the Suns play what, two games, you can tell that their squad is better than our squad? The media hype on all their draft picks and recruits has obviously worked.

The point I'm making is that to date no one has seen how good or bad the Suns squad really is, two NAB cup games is a tiny sample to start judging that their squad is better or worst than anyone elses.

The NAB cup is a mickey mouse comp, just look at Carlton winning it and then winning the spoon in 2005.

Maybe mid season we will have a better idea on how good or bad they are.

Just calling it as I see it.

 

[ziad]

Just calling it how I see it.



After watching the game tonight my comments still stand. Even with natural progression, the squad we have is still a long way short and has deficiencies throughout it.

We destroyed them for the first 10 minutes - then is was a scratch match on a (very) hot day. we also ran away in the last qtr.
They are out to prove themselves in every NAB cup game - we are building for round 1

 

[greennick]

Why would anyone from the Suns want to come to the WCE, really?

They will more than likely win a flag before us as our list is crap, so the pull to come home isn't there. You would have to be mad to leave them.

The only chance we have in snagging someone is from a club on the decline/going nowhere.

Ridiculous statement. Firstly, if our list is so shit and theirs so great, they will have salary cap issues as we will have the same damn cap. Secondly, some people just get homesick and other issues won't be important. Thirdly, who says they will be so much better than us? I don't doubt they will be good, but we should be at least competitive with this list. Fourthly, players often leave good teams, just see Ablett. I am sure the GC will be able to keep all their players loyal though, with role models such as Brown, Ablett, Fraser, Bock, etc. I can't see how their young guys could not be loyal.

There are still so many more reasons that was a ridiculous statement....

 

[Coast_Watch]

Mmmm . . . I am not overly sold on Rich. I think he is a good mid range player, but I doubt he will improve greatly from this point on. He arrived in AFL with great WAFL experience, a mature aged body and a cannon for a foot, so he had an immediate impact. But his upside is probably not as great as some others in his age group.

Secondly, I doubt Rich would add a great deal of "difference" to what we already have maturing within our own ranks. If we were to go chasing another mid-fielder I would think it has to be one with searing pace and clean disposal. Just like almost every opposition recruiter is looking for.

 

[Coast_Watch]

Why would anyone from the Suns want to come to the WCE, really?

They will more than likely win a flag before us as our list is crap, so the pull to come home isn't there. You would have to be mad to leave them.

The only chance we have in snagging someone is from a club on the decline/going nowhere.

I couldn't care less whether we got someone from the Suns or not, because in a trade deal, most often you have to give up as good as you get. You probably should only do it when you have excess of player type "A" and need another of type "B", or you are top 4 and need to fill a specific void that might give you a crack at a flag. Collingwood did it perfectly last year. Some of the best value recruits in trade terms have been re-cycled unwanted players - where you give up precious little. I suspect Spangher may turn out to be just that for the Swans - at pick 73 or whatever it was. BTW -the Swans are smart traders, and they could give the Flag a big shake this year.

As for the Suns winning a flag anytime soon, you can certainly get a bet on with me. I've seen teams loaded with 1st round draft picks (really good talent) that have underachieved big time. It takes more than draft picks and a cheque book to build a successful club. Let's tak about how great their list is towards the end of this season, next season, whatever.

I also believe that you have sold the Eagles current list well short - it isn't nearly as bad as some of you doomsayers think it is.

 

[WCE_phil]

What people forget is that no group of recruiters is ever going to get every single pick right. We have been on a very major rebuild since the 07 draft and haven't brought in senior players to bolster the list at all.

It may just turn out that a few of these young guys arent going to make it. I consider it a good draft year if over the 3 drafts you are able to secure 3 best 22 players.

We currently have a very, very solid young spine with a potential superstar in there in naita and what i consider to be 2 potential A graders in Kennedy and Schofield. (atm im not considering darling a part of the future spine due to not having played a senior home and away game for us)

We have some very, very solid young small players in defence and a couple who are just entering their prime.

On the inside mid side of things we have it covered. No real potential superstars imo but 3-4 potential a graders as well as some very solid depth players.

Outside mids and forward flankers we still seem to be 1 potential a grader short imo and i hope we solve this with trading at the end of this year. Sheppard is a potential a grader as is darling but after that our youth in these positions will at best be b+ to b grade roleplayers. Really hope we target young matera, lewis jetta or someone similar.

Small forwards. Really i know people are going to disagree with me but i just think broome is too small. Other than that we really dont have any. Lecras is so much more than that and guys like weedon, strijk and neates are much better suited to flank roles imo and of all of those i dont see a potential a grader in any of them. Hams here is the only one and is only ever going to be a b to b+ player and he's never going to be that livewire type.

Rucks. I really rate our young rucks in naita and lycett and with cox still there and in the top couple of rucks in the league as well as lynch on the list that is plenty atm.