Daniel Rich: Possible Eagle in 2012?

[dajesmac]

Given the above scenario a possible but obviously still extremely improbable solution could be

Ebert + 20 to port

28 + pearce to brisbane

Rich to wce.

Hmmm i think that sounded better im my head.

Yeah, Brisbane would not give up Rich for 28 + Pearce.

Seriously
The massively unproved Swift for proven and up and coming elite mid Rich?
Trade for and use a precious spot on out list for Jamie Bennell just so we can try get Harley?
Brisbane already planning their end of season trip?

WTF is all I am going to say

To get Rich I'd say we would need to give up our 1st round pick, probably around 12ish as well as trade Ebert to Port for pick 15-20 and on trade that to Brisbane.

This thread is getting stupider by the day

You think we'll finish bottom 5?

 

[CursoryMercenary]

Given the above scenario a possible but obviously still extremely improbable solution could be

Ebert + 20 to port

28 + pearce to brisbane

Rich to wce.

Hmmm i think that sounded better im my head.

Yeah i'm sure it did

Masten, Ebert, Swift will probably be the player to go the other way if they are on the cusp of the 22 at seasons end but clearly our pick 20 (or an upgrade of it) will go to Brisbane.

 

[mezaire]

I still think C. Wilson might be used as a sweetner for Brisbane. They seriously lack another FF to take the heat of Brown.

My thoughts are that we would give up 1 high pick plus 1-2 players for Rich and 2-3 lower picks from them.

 

[Obeanie1]

2 trains of thought here

1) Under normal circumstances I dont think trading for Melb's Bennell would help in getting GC's Bennell much the same as having 2 Selwoods gives you any chance of Joel wanting to change teams.

2) Aboriginal families operate differently to point 1) above. Given internal relationships are OK, they actively seek out the companionship of their kin.

In this particular situation I would actually look at trying to bring Melb's Bennell onboard. Not only is he an acceptable player in his own right but if the whispers surrounding Harley are true, then Jaimie's signing may be the tonic needed for Harley to make the decision GC fear he was always going to make.

I must admit talking about trading in a player to possibly help nab another didn't feel quite right so I feel a tad better after this reply.

I think it would come down to is Jamie Bennell good enough in his own right and does he fit our needs? If the answer is yes and yes then the extra bonus may well be it might help us attract Harley in the future.

No way should we trade in someone who isn't up to it just to hopefully attract his cousin, but I don't think this would be the case with Jamie.

 

[Obeanie1]

I still think C. Wilson might be used as a sweetner for Brisbane. They seriously lack another FF to take the heat of Brown.

My thoughts are that we would give up 1 high pick plus 1-2 players for Rich and 2-3 lower picks from them.

This is something I could see happening.

I also think Brisbane would be interested in Swift as he would be a replacement for Black in the guts, they need inside mids especially if Rich leaves as well as for when Black retires.

Pick 20 + Swift + C Wilson for Rich is some what logical for both sides.

Of course the Lions would want two first round picks but we don't have them and to get another one would cost us a good player.

 

[silver eagles]

If WCE wanted Rich, and Vossy wanted draft picks, we could have 2 1st rounders to offer if GWS poach one of our unsigned players (half of our squad is out of contract at season's end, including 10 that played last round).

Of the players out of contract, you would think it would be those from out-of-state to be the ones who might entertain a move to GWS. The list of out of contract, out-of-state players is: Waters, Ebert, Brown, Shuey, Stevens and Schofield. It wouldn't surprise me if local, unsigned players like Callum Wilson were to entertain a move also so that they might get a game. I don't know how the compensation is evaluated, but I would have thought those named above, except Schofield and Wilson would demand at least a 1st round draft pick in return, thus giving us 2 1st round draft picks to offer for Rich. I'm not convinced this type of trade would sufficiently fill the void left by the poached player though (would WCE be better off for having acquired Rich, if it meant having lost our vice-captain Waters to GWS)?

 

[Galileo9]

This is something I could see happening.

I also think Brisbane would be interested in Swift as he would be a replacement for Black in the guts, they need inside mids especially if Rich leaves as well as for when Black retires.

Pick 20 + Swift + C Wilson for Rich is some what logical for both sides.

Of course the Lions would want two first round picks but we don't have them and to get another one would cost us a good player.

C Wilson has absolutely no value to anyone. i am sure some WC fans would like to think so (similar to McKinley last year).

as for needing forwards, lions have Clark, Karnezis, Cornelious, staker. whilst some of these arent afl class yet, point is that wilson would not be ahead of any of these.

perhaps silly season for trades has begun ie. "i will trade you 10 of our players on verge of being delisted for 1 very good afl player...thats fair".

 

[maxrm]

Callum Wilson, Swift and 20 sounds fair for Rich.

Also think Jordan Jones could be thrown in somewhere if needed, hasn't performed near well enough but has potential and could offer decent trade value. If Rich was hell bent on coming to WC we could probably afford to take out Swift and replace him with JJones in the above trade deal. A great result for us

Naitanui tapping it down to the likes of Shuey, Rich, Masten, Scooter and Stevens sounds amazing

 

[Jimmy_the_Gent]

Callum Wilson, Swift and 20 sounds fair for Rich.

It's not fair.

Wilson would have a negative trade value, I suspect, because Brisbane would have to make a spot on their list for him.

Swift would hold good currency but I don't think we should be trading him just because he isn't best 22 at the moment. There's still a lot of time for him to find his feet.

Pick 20 is meh. Especially considering Brisbane will already have good picks in the draft.

I think to get Rich we'll have to score a top 10 pick somehow, and package that with our first rounder or another player.

 

[FrankenLynch]

Callum Wilson, Swift and 20 sounds fair for Rich.

Also think Jordan Jones could be thrown in somewhere if needed, hasn't performed near well enough but has potential and could offer decent trade value. If Rich was hell bent on coming to WC we could probably afford to take out Swift and replace him with JJones in the above trade deal. A great result for us

Naitanui tapping it down to the likes of Shuey, Rich, Masten, Scooter and Stevens sounds amazing

Are you serious? You think we might be able to offer aplayer with less valuethan Swift?

How would you react if Brisbane offered two players outside their 22 and pick 20 for Shuey? Would you even consider it for a micro-second?

 

[C4[2]Yo`DooR]

From what I've heard ...the jungle drums are beating re: Kane Lucas.

 

[kane249]

Wilson would have a negative trade value, I suspect, because Brisbane would have to make a spot on their list for him.

Fevola and Proud already delisted, in addition to others likely to be cut I would suggest there would be a lot of list space up there

 

[Jimmy_the_Gent]

Fevola and Proud already delisted, in addition to others likely to be cut I would suggest there would be a lot of list space up there

Fair enough. I don't really know much about their list situation.

Still don't think they'd want Wilson though.

 

[Galileo9]

From what I've heard ...the jungle drums are beating re: Kane Lucas.

doubt it would interest us, we are chockers for players who play in his spot. probably Freo would be interested.

and to take the leaf out of some posters here, we might be interested if we offer all our delisting candidates this year for him. surely 10 players for him is enough. heck we will even throw in our 4th rounder

 

[zero]

From what I've heard ...the jungle drums are beating re: Kane Lucas.

wow really? hes only 19, a recent first round pick, and he won carltons best first year player last year

 

[Jimmy_the_Gent]

Obviously we were keen on Lucas the year we drafted Sheppard - most would recall the article stating we were looking at Jetta, Lucas and Sheppard.

The thing is, after adding Sheppard and Gaff, do we still need a winger? Rosa isn't amazingly old either, although Embley wouldn't have long to go, sadly.

 

[Lyyynnnchy]

Callum Wilson, Swift and 20 sounds fair for Rich.

Also think Jordan Jones could be thrown in somewhere if needed, hasn't performed near well enough but has potential and could offer decent trade value. If Rich was hell bent on coming to WC we could probably afford to take out Swift and replace him with JJones in the above trade deal. A great result for us

Naitanui tapping it down to the likes of Shuey, Rich, Masten, Scooter and Stevens sounds amazing

geeez its getting worse

 

[WCE_phil]

The way we are going our first rounder is going to end up around pick 20 rather than pick 10-12 like most of us thought it would at the start of the year. Pick 12 plus one of ebert or swift etc might have got the job done if rich said look im going home get the best trade deal you can with the eagles but that's where i want to be. As it stands though pick 20 is basically an early second rounder in any normal year you just cant trade a second rounder plus a player for a guy like rich. The way port are going they are likely to end up with either pick 6 or pick 8 and they aren't going to trade pick 6 for ebert + 20 imo either.

To get rich we are going to need to lose at the very least our first rounder plus a guy well within the 22. Brisbane also are looking towards youth so i think we can automatically remove any thought of said player being above the age of 24.

I cant see the eagles letting go any of our recent first round picks or key position players. Where does this leave us and what guys do we have that brisbane may be interested in? That really leaves us with guys like ebert,stevens,swift,smith,hurn. Anything other than those guys you can pretty just mark down as steak knives so what are we really ready to give up?

 

[maxrm]

It depends on Rich's ambitions. For example in the Judd deal we got lucky. Carlton didn't need to offer how much they did because it was either get something in return or get nothing because he enters the PSD. If Rich is definitely leaving the lions and wants to be an eagle, the lions would take something like pick 20 + JJones + C Wilson because it's better than nothing. Obviously this probably won't happen and we'll have to give up a lot more. Rich's value IMO draft-pick wise is around pick 3 or 4. I'm not saying he's worth pick 20 plus a couple average players, but if we're lucky, best case scenario is we may be able to snare him for something like that. Wishful thinking I know, but I guess I'm a wishful thinker.

 

[Obeanie1]

Don't discount GWS and a trade of some sorts.

We've had talks about the u17 yr old trades so we should have also discussed other trades.

Pick 20 + P45 compo pick + a Swift or Stevens, Strijk, J Jones, Ash Smith or Wilson might get us one of GWS later first rounders. Guys who are still young, bigger bodied and certainly haven't failed at AFL level yet as they need more opportunity.

 

[WCE_phil]

If gws do end up poaching one of our players it would have to be a decent one for us to get an end of first round pick because i think we're going to need something like that as a trading piece.

This is purely speculative and purely as an example. Ebert goes to GWS on 600k a year and we get an end of first round compensation pick for him from the afl. We then trade said end of first round compo pick plus our third round compo pick to GWS for pick 15. Pick 15, our first rounder and then some steak knives player from my previous post is what gets us rich.

 

[Lyyynnnchy]

If gws do end up poaching one of our players it would have to be a decent one for us to get an end of first round pick because i think we're going to need something like that as a trading piece.

This is purely speculative and purely as an example. Ebert goes to GWS on 600k a year and we get an end of first round compensation pick for him from the afl. We then trade said end of first round compo pick plus our third round compo pick to GWS for pick 15. Pick 15, our first rounder and then some steak knives player from my previous post is what gets us rich.

End of first round pick will be 30ish? 30 and 70 for 15?

As mentioned 123498727 times before steak knives are not going to get us anything!!!!!!

 

[WCE_phil]

End of first round pick will be 30ish? 30 and 70 for 15?

As mentioned 123498727 times before steak knives are not going to get us anything!!!!!!

You are obviously missing the point. The compo picks when given back to the startup clubs arent for use this year. It is to shore up their positions in future drafts at which point said first round pick would be 18-20. So what they are really looking at is trading pick 15 for pick 20+ pick 40 in any one of the 5 following drafts.

You obviously didnt read the entirety of my two posts or you actually did and have the brains of a guinea pig after an altercation with a road train.

 

[Obeanie1]

Compo picks can be used within 4 yrs I recall and the GC list manager explained how the expansion clubs would value them more so than established clubs. The expansion clubs have a large set number of player turnover for their first 2 > 3 years and the flexibility the compo picks provide is a major benefit.

Also a Compo 30 this season is a 20 - 22 in two drafts time.

 

[September_Glory]

Wouldn't give up Swift to get Rich. Serious.

Care to explain this statement?

If Swift was the make or break on getting Rich, you wouldn't let him go. What are you holding onto?