Player Watch Darcy Cameron

[The Royal Sampler]

Gawn was lame as was injured mid-match and has been on the sidelines since.

Cameron (and Cox) have both had some good outings in Grundy's absence.

But they have been against ordinary opposition recently - DeKoning and Silvagni, Reeves, Keeffe, J.Sweet - Cameron and Cox should be bossing those types.

When Grundy went down, Cameron came up against Witts and Nank and was well beaten. So a good chance to see how he goes with plenty of confidence and form behind him.

We need a good game from Cameron this week.

While this is true, he’s been absolutely nailing his marks around the ground. As good as Grundy on his best day in this aspect of the ruckman’s role.

 

[swoop42]

Cameron 56 marks from 12 games.

Grundy 15 marks from 6 games.

Cameron 22 contested marks from 12 games.

Grundy 3 contested marks from 6 games.

 

[Markfs]

It does remind me of the Grundy/Witts years and the end decision that both couldnt play in the team. I think Grundy could benefit from going flat at it for shorter periods and having Cameron do more of the rucking. It would mean that Mason wouldnt play which would be a shame but he is still likely to be inconsistent. It would be up to the two big guys to make it work. I just had this bad memory of fraser and jolley playing together.

 

[doppleganger]

While this is true, he’s been absolutely nailing his marks around the ground. As good as Grundy on his best day in this aspect of the ruckman’s role.

Cameron is a much better contested mark, which makes him a better option as an actual KPF.

Much better than Grundy in that aspect of the game.

 

[swoop42]

Cameron 56 marks from 12 games.

Grundy 15 marks from 6 games.

Cameron 22 contested marks from 12 games.

Grundy 3 contested marks from 6 games.

That right there is why we might well be a better side if Cameron is allowed more opportunity to ruck in the presence of Grundy as he's developing a nice habit of taking some crucial marks across the ground for us.

Of course for that to be a net gain for the side we need the Grundog to also embrace a change of role and prove an old dog can learn new tricks by improving his contested marking and forward craft in the off season.

I often wonder if one of the reasons Grundys contested marking ability isn't a strength is that he's spent large parts of his junior and senior career simply being able to outwork his direct ruck opponent and mark unopposed.

To be honest that's why I hope to see him train with the forward group this summer as forcing him in to marking contest after marking contest against a designated opponent is the only way I can ever see him improving in this area.

 

[doppleganger]

I think Cameron has a different mindset to the tentative player against Witts and Nankervis and if I recall he was going alright against Gawn and Jackson before Gawn,s injury.

I think a bit of credit where credit where is due is not a bad thing, that injury for Gawn happened just before halftime and Jackson was pretty good v Brisbane as I said credit where credit is due.

Absolutely wrapped with how Cameron has performed lately. He has played some great football.

Big challenge now is seeing how he goes in a return game against Witts, he was monstered at the G earlier in the year.

He should have his tail up, be extremely confident so lets see him take it up to Witts, if he can nullify Witts it will go a long way to us winning and suring up a top8 position.

Surely I wasnt the only one who saw Keeffe as GWS only ruck and expected us to easily win the ruck.

 

[Do_Beta_Rapport]

Cameron has much better mitts and kick than Brodie, in much better form moving around the ground pushing back and forward.

 

[ipswichpies]

Absolutely wrapped with how Cameron has performed lately. He has played some great football.

Big challenge now is seeing how he goes in a return game against Witts, he was monstered at the G earlier in the year.

He should have his tail up, be extremely confident so lets see him take it up to Witts, if he can nullify Witts it will go a long way to us winning and suring up a top8 position.

Surely I wasnt the only one who saw Keeffe as GWS only ruck and expected us to easily win the ruck.

Witts has bested everybody he has faced recently that,s why he is AA favourite but you are right if we can nullify him it will go a long way towards winning the game they also have some good midfielders but if we win it puts us 3 games clear of them.

Was that earlier game against the Suns the first time Cameron played 1st ruck and only had young Begg in support but both he and Cox are more comfortable and confident now so would hope to break even.

I do not know about Keefe in the ruck I was more intent on seeing Darcy getting treated fairly that,s all I have no argument with you as I say I want Darcy,s recent showing to be recognised for what they were.

 

[The Royal Sampler]

Cameron is a much better contested mark, which makes him a better option as an actual KPF.

Much better than Grundy in that aspect of the game.

Yes, sorry if I was unclear, but I was suggesting that (Cameron) = (Grundy on his best day) as far as marking goes, not (Cameron on his best day) = (Grundy).

 

[jmac70]

I read on the club app that he signed his contract extension at half time!

 

[Pleasedontfail11]

Great game again from Cameron.

Up against Keeffe and T.Green so he needed to dominate and did.

Next week he finally comes up against a quality ruck in Witts, so we need him to hold his own.

Big fan of Camerons work both this year and last year it was a shame he wasnt picked from round 1. If I remember correctly Witts beat him comfortably as a first ruck about 7 weeks ago when he first got the oppotunity. However I think he has come on in leaps a bounds over the last 7 weeks as a first ruck. Looking forward to the contest to see if he can turn it around. If he gives it a good showing against Witts I say leave our ruck combo as Cameron/Cox for the rest of the season baring injury.

 

[Mollythedolly]

Love to read a Thread without Grundy Bashing

Oh there’s plenty of Grundy bashing, it’s just more subtle.

 

[Mollythedolly]

Cameron 56 marks from 12 games.

Grundy 15 marks from 6 games.

Cameron 22 contested marks from 12 games.

Grundy 3 contested marks from 6 games.

Cameron 191 HO’s from 13 games (13.3/), 171 from 8 post Grundy (21.3/)

Grundy 182 HO’s from 6 games (30.3/)

Cameron 34 CLR’s from 13 games (2.6/), 29 from 8 post Grundy (3.6/)

Grundy 33 CLR’s from 6 games (5.5/)

Cameron HOW% 40.2%

Grundy HOW% 45.6%

Cameron HOtoA% 29.3%

Grundy HOtoA% 30.2%

 

[Mollythedolly]

That right there is why we might well be a better side if Cameron is allowed more opportunity to ruck in the presence of Grundy as he's developing a nice habit of taking some crucial marks across the ground for us.

Of course for that to be a net gain for the side we need the Grundog to also embrace a change of role and prove an old dog can learn new tricks by improving his contested marking and forward craft in the off season.

I often wonder if one of the reasons Grundys contested marking ability isn't a strength is that he's spent large parts of his junior and senior career simply being able to outwork his direct ruck opponent and mark unopposed.

To be honest that's why I hope to see him train with the forward group this summer as forcing him in to marking contest after marking contest against a designated opponent is the only way I can ever see him improving in this area.

Cameron 2022 is averaging 4.9 marks a game and 1.9 contested marks.

Cameron 2021 was averaging 5.5 marks a game and 2.2 contested marks.

Would suggest he’s a greater marking presence when Grundy is actually in the side, and based on 2021, when Grundy takes the lions share of the ruck contests.

 

[Bianconeri]

Cameron 2022 is averaging 4.9 marks a game and 1.9 contested marks.

Cameron 2021 was averaging 5.5 marks a game and 2.2 contested marks.

Would suggest he’s a greater marking presence when Grundy is actually in the side, and based on 2021, when Grundy takes the lions share of the ruck contests.

He only averaged 3.4 marks a game when Grundy was in the side this year. The fact that’s it’s gone up to 4.9 since he’s been out suggests the opposite.

 

[Bianconeri]

Cameron’s marking average in the games Grundy has been out for is also 5.875 above his 2021 average so there’s nothing to suggest that his marking improves with Grundy in the side.

 

[Mollythedolly]

He only averaged 3.4 marks a game when Grundy was in the side this year. The fact that’s it’s gone up to 4.9 since he’s been out suggests the opposite.

Fair point.










We’ll at least it would be if we just ignored 2021 when he averaged 5.5.

 

[sr36]

Cameron’s marking average in the games Grundy has been out for is also 5.875 above his 2021 average so there’s nothing to suggest that his marking improves with Grundy in the side.

Just to add, stat comparisons to last year aren't valid either, as we're playing a different plan with lower stat footy.

His marking in defensive 50 has been fabulous. I think it was pretty good last year too, but he didn't spend much time in the ruck.

 

[Bianconeri]

Fair point.










We’ll at least it would be if we just ignored 2021 when he averaged 5.5.

Cameron’s marking average in the games Grundy has been out for is also 5.875 above his 2021 average so there’s nothing to suggest that his marking improves with Grundy in the side.

Firstly you’re ignoring my second post and secondly I’m not arguing that without Grundy Cameron’s marking is better just that the opposite is not true.

 

[OniAu]

Gawn was lame as was injured mid-match and has been on the sidelines since.

Cameron (and Cox) have both had some good outings in Grundy's absence.

But they have been against ordinary opposition recently - DeKoning and Silvagni, Reeves, Keeffe, J.Sweet - Cameron and Cox should be bossing those types.

When Grundy went down, Cameron came up against Witts and Nank and was well beaten. So a good chance to see how he goes with plenty of confidence and form behind him.

We need a good game from Cameron this week.

He has proven to beat Natanui in a final, so i dont think theres any doubts of him being able to take on "better" rucks

 

[doppleganger]

He has proven to beat Natanui in a final, so i dont think theres any doubts of him being able to take on "better" rucks

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Cameron played second fiddle to Grundy in the 2020 EF against NicNat.

In R7 Witts had 44 HOs to Cameron's 15, and the Suns at times got an arm chair ride in the middle.

It is great that he has beaten guys like Keeffe and kids like DeKoning and Reeves, but so he should.

I want to see how Darcy goes against senior established rucks, is there improvement from when he first took over back in R7 and R8 now that his confidence is up.

I hope there is great improvement

 

[OniAu]

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Cameron played second fiddle to Grundy in the 2020 EF against NicNat.

In R7 Witts had 44 HOs to Cameron's 15, and the Suns at times got an arm chair ride in the middle.

It is great that he has beaten guys like Keeffe and kids like DeKoning and Reeves, but so he should.

I want to see how Darcy goes against senior established rucks, is there improvement from when he first took over back in R7 and R8 now that his confidence is up.

I hope there is great improvement

Played second fiddle but took some crucial centre bounce contests when the game was on the line

 

[doppleganger]

Played second fiddle but took some crucial centre bounce contests when the game was on the line

Very different responsibility taking the majority of ruck contests v coming in as relief at the end when relatively fresh.

 

[OniAu]

Very different responsibility taking the majority of ruck contests v coming in as relief at the end when relatively fresh.

Pick what ever narrative you want to run with

 

[ipswichpies]

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Cameron played second fiddle to Grundy in the 2020 EF against NicNat.

In R7 Witts had 44 HOs to Cameron's 15, and the Suns at times got an arm chair ride in the middle.

It is great that he has beaten guys like Keeffe and kids like DeKoning and Reeves, but so he should.

I want to see how Darcy goes against senior established rucks, is there improvement from when he first took over back in R7 and R8 now that his confidence is up.

I hope there is great improvement

There is definite improvement from Caqmeron even if you will not acknowledge it ,I argued with you yesterday about this when you kept on harping about beating senior rucks As has been shown DC only had young Begg in support and it was his 1st time as senior ruck and then copped Nankervis in his 2nd week also with Begg in his 2nd game so yes I can understand how he never went very well.Over the last month he has really improved and well Witts has gone from strength to strength is AA att,I said DC went well against the Dees and you belittled him by saying Gawn was injured which he was but only from halftime and Jackson was fine throughout.

I can tell you something also this applies to you Molly on current form I would be picking Cameron 1st of our bigmen and either Grundy or Cox next, Grundy great though he has been has never at any stage matched DC in the air and he is also a worse kick than Cameron who has been popping up for a few goals also.