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Streaming Daredevil

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vast said:
Well the next one is AKA Jessica Jones I am not sure what to expect from that one but imagine it wont be anything like daredevil.
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Yeah but krysten Ritter is a babe so it all works out
 
vast said:
Well the next one is AKA Jessica Jones I am not sure what to expect from that one but imagine it wont be anything like daredevil.
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It's got David Tennant in it as the main bad guy. I'm giving it a good chance myself.
 
It will definitely be a different kind of show to DD but Netflix have a good track record in all their shows so far.


Also what is the general etiquette in waiting time before we can openly discus the end?
 

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Wrapped up the season too, ended up being pretty great. Probably the best superhero adaptation on television I've seen. Yet I think its slightly unfair to compare this to Arrow or the Flash considering they do 20+ episodes a season and are limited by network tv constraints. Though I really enjoy that world as well. Don't watch SHIELD or Gotham so don't know/care if they're also comparable.

Props to Charlie Cox, always made Murdock fascinating. Rest of the cast were on point too for the most part. The look of the show was aesthetically pleasing. I love the visceral fight scenes, adds to the depth of the character that you don't usually see. The show can stand to be less hand-holding and campy though, but I get that it sort of comes with the territory.

Liked it a lot, will be interesting to see how season 2 looks.
 
Warsaw said:
I think its slightly unfair to compare this to Arrow or the Flash considering they do 20+ episodes a season and are limited by network tv constraints.
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I really don't like this excuse at all. The only thing that limits network TV is the classification system, but even so, Daredevil is only PG-16, not the usual TV-MA that Showtime, AMC, HBO, etc, are.

TV is going to fall behind if they insist on following the same method from the last 50 years, because people are no longer interested.

Netflix increased its paying subscriber by 4.9 million in the past three months, with overwhelming popularity all over the world. They've announced that they're planning on launching worldwide (except Chin) within the next year. TV networks need to get their shit together.
 
Experimental said:
I really don't like this excuse at all. The only thing that limits network TV is the classification system, but even so, Daredevil is only PG-16, not the usual TV-MA that Showtime, AMC, HBO, etc, are.

TV is going to fall behind if they insist on following the same method from the last 50 years, because people are no longer interested.

Netflix increased its paying subscriber by 4.9 million in the past three months, with overwhelming popularity all over the world. They've announced that they're planning on launching worldwide (except Chin) within the next year. TV networks need to get their shit together.
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Sure. But you can't really hold that on those shows` producers, writers. A 13 episode season would work wonders no doubt.
 
Experimental said:
I really don't like this excuse at all. The only thing that limits network TV is the classification system, but even so, Daredevil is only PG-16, not the usual TV-MA that Showtime, AMC, HBO, etc, are.

TV is going to fall behind if they insist on following the same method from the last 50 years, because people are no longer interested.

Netflix increased its paying subscriber by 4.9 million in the past three months, with overwhelming popularity all over the world. They've announced that they're planning on launching worldwide (except Chin) within the next year. TV networks need to get their shit together.
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Its not only about just the classification though its about having family and advertiser friendly content. Thats where the money is for them.

The only show they push the limits with that I have seen on network tv is Hannibal.
 
There's also the nature of the medium. People binge watch multiple episodes of the show in pretty short periods of time, rather than one episode a week for multiple months.

It means you can get more sophisticated with your storytelling (especially multi-episode arcs) because you can treat each episode like chapters of a book rather than having to make them self-contained and accessible. Nobody is going to jump into the middle of Daredevil, or forget what happened at the beginning of the season because they watched it 3 months ago.

It's almost as different a medium to television as film is.
 
Caesar said:
There's also the nature of the medium. People binge watch multiple episodes of the show in pretty short periods of time, rather than one episode a week for multiple months.

It means you can get more sophisticated with your storytelling (especially multi-episode arcs) because you can treat each episode like chapters of a book rather than having to make them self-contained and accessible. Nobody is going to jump into the middle of Daredevil, or forget what happened at the beginning of the season because they watched it 3 months ago.

It's almost as different a medium to television as film is.
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While I agree with this, you're forgetting that Game of Thrones is aired week-to-week. It has more story-arcs than any other TV show I've ever seen. I'm surprised they fit it all into 13 one hour episodes. Hell, there are characters from the first season who are due to reappear soon ;)

Breaking Bad, The Walking Dead, Game of Thrones, and basically every Netflix drama follow this same method - which is as you said, treating each episode as a chapter in a book, rather than an individual story. However, The Sopranos (arguably one of the best TV shows ever made) followed a very different method and remained overwhelmingly popular. Each episode was more like a book in a massive series, rather than a chapter within a single book.

People would obviously rather binge watch Game of Thrones and The Walking Dead, but are still willing to watch week-to-week episodes. The winding and occasionally confusing nature of these shows (mainly GoT) doesn't impact on anything, really.
 
Caesar said:
Most of the shows you name wouldn't and couldn't ever be made on a commercial network either. They aired on niche channels to niche audiences.
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The most popular drama shows in modern times haven't ever aired on commercial networks, which is exactly why Daredevil shouldn't be compared with shows that are.
 
Experimental said:
The most popular drama shows in modern times haven't ever aired on commercial networks, which is exactly why Daredevil shouldn't be compared with shows that are.
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Do you even know what the most popular modern dramas of recent times are? Something like Scandal gets three times as many viewers as Game of Thrones.

I love arty niche stuff, but it's primarily made as a teaser to get a specific segment of the population to subscribe to a premium cable channel. It works well within that economic model, but the idea that it's the future of television is pretty silly.

There will always be demand for shows that appeal to a large number of people.
 

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Caesar said:
There will always be demand for shows that appeal to a large number of people.
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The Block and My Kitchen Rules appeals to a large number of people, but it's still a shithouse show. Just because a lot of people like something doesn't make it great. But in a world of commercialism and advertising-supported TV channels, things that appeal to people without any real dedication or zeal will always reign supreme - but they'll still likely be completely forgotten 20 years from now. Shows like The Simpsons, MASH, Friends, and Seinfeld are extremely popular for good reason, but these are comedies. Good drama is hard to find on commercial networks.

Look at the current five major US broadcast TV networks, and look at their list of dramas. All of the CBS dramas are utter shit (although I don't mind the occasional CSI episode, but it's still a terribly made TV show :P), ABC has American Crime, AoS, and Scandal which are decent, CW is full of TV shows for teens, and NBC's drama list is poor (apart from The Blacklist, which is admittedly very impressive). Fox is a little different, with their drama offerings a lot better than the others (Gotham and Empire for example), but the quality is obviously not AMC/Showtime/Netflix/HBO/FX standard.

The most watched drama show in the US last year was NCIS, of all shows. Makes me wonder if the current cable channels were available to everyone with a TV (like CBS, ABC, NBC, etc) whether the viewership of their flagship shows would be greater than that of NCIS.

Either way, the Netflix method of episode release also allows for viewers to 'catch up' if they're behind. If I'm behind on a TV show that's airing on TV by a few episodes, I usually don't even bother watching because I won't have any idea what's going on. Netflix avoids this by allowing anyone, at any time, to start their show. As much as I love Daredevil, House of Cards, Bloodline, and Orange is the New Black, I'm not up to date with any of them haha. In fact, I haven't watched any Netflix in a week thanks to uni :( But I know I'll be able to watch as many episodes that I want when I'm able to spare the time!

That's something FTA/Foxtel can't rely on.
 
The point I was originally responding to was the claim that TV networks need to make niche drama shows like Netflix does because they are being left behind. I was merely pointing out that Netflix and premium subscriber services like HBO operate on a completely different economic model to the TV networks, so it's not really a good comparison.

I like shows like Daredevil, but you cannot make shows like Daredevil on a mainstream network. If they tried it they would go broke very quickly.
 
Caesar said:
I like shows like Daredevil, but you cannot make shows like Daredevil on a mainstream network. If they tried it they would go broke very quickly.
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It makes me wonder what the reception would be like here if Daredevil was released without Netflix in Australia, meaning Foxtel could pick up rights and air it week-to-week, like they did with OITNB. I wonder if it would 'ruin' the synergy and link between episodes if it took 13 weeks to finish the season.
 
Like most others here, I just finished the series. Enjoyed it, seems that a lot of people here are overrating it a little bit. Definitely a good enough show to keep watching though.

I hated Vincent D'Onofrio's character (Fisk), that deep voice he put on throughout the whole series annoyed the s**t out of me. The character was well portrayed, just the voice sucked.

Mister Carlton said:
Absolutely awesome from start to finish. Easily the best superhero tv show on tv at the moment, shits all over DC's Gotham.
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That isn't hard these days! that show is garbage.
 
After it bugging me through all 13 episodes, I can't believe it took so long for it to click that Owsley was Warden Norton from Shawshank. Derp.

Great finish - sure they camped it up a bit with the costume, but it is a superhero series after all. Not as familiar with the source material for Jessica Jones, Luke Cage et al, but if they can maintain the standard they've set here (with the potential, you'd think, for a few crossovers) then it's all looking pretty promising.

Hope we see Matt and Foggy turn up during phase three - you'd think Dr Strange would be ripe for a cameo given the New York setting.
 

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well from a non-comic book person (outside a few graphic novels like Sandman and V for Vendetta) it has kept my interest

It could be the fact that I can cycle through the episodes on demand as it is literally the first tv show series I've watched (outside family guy and garderning australia) on a regular basis for 3 years.
 
Just finished the season over the weekend. I quite enjoyed it, although I don't think it's unbelievably good as I've heard some people say. Definitely a platform to build on though, I thought they nailed all the characters, especially the villain, Fisk. Foggy nelson was a funny one though, could never take him seriously.
 

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