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[Dont be a lemon]

Firstly, half the reason why the 2nd amendment exists is to make sure the government never become tyrannical

I thought it was to stop Britain from sailing over and trying to take back the 13 original states. Or something.

That and it was the late 1700s and guns were less elaborate.

 

[Herne Hill Hammer]

I thought it was to stop Britain from sailing over and trying to take back the 13 original states. Or something.

That and it was the late 1700s and guns were less elaborate.

That was always what I was led to believe too. It's meaning may have morphed these days of course.

 

[Ron The Bear]

Key point, and I agree completely. I guess I'm more referring to the fact when ever something weird happens in America people use the saying it shits me. Anywho, guess it's slightly off topic.
It is a seriously disturbing event, yet at the same time it's good to see, relative to the actions of the gunman, some humanity in the way some were killed (e.g. saving girlfriend). Won't be an easy one to recover from...is the death penalty available in Colorado?

Yeah it's a fashionable throwaway line, but perhaps less so than it was 25 years ago.

Reports are that he will face the death penalty if he is found to be mentally competent. It's human nature to want to believe this guy is completely whacko, but it's difficult to prove in a legal sense. Even Ed Gein was deemed fit to stand trial.

 

[radiojake]

I thought it was to stop Britain from sailing over and trying to take back the 13 original states. Or something.

That and it was the late 1700s and guns were less elaborate.

These were both factors - An armed populace would be able to stop aggressive governments/forces from taking over. Whether that be of British, American or of another origin is rather irrelevant - Very much tied into the ideas of liberalism and individualism that the US tries to embody.

And yes, back then you would not have been able to shoot multiple people in a matter of seconds

 

[Bluelegs]

I get sick of the only in America comments when things like this happen, who the **** cares where it happens. We've had our fair share of whacko's, too.

But we do something about it. They point fingers.

 

[malph]

These were both factors - An armed populace would be able to stop aggressive governments/forces from taking over. Whether that be of British, American or of another origin is rather irrelevant - Very much tied into the ideas of liberalism and individualism that the US tries to embody.

That was the purpose. But fortunately, or unfortunately depending on your point of view, for those who believe the US Constitution to be a living document, the second clause of the 2nd Amendment does not rely on the first clause to be operative.

But we do something about it. They point fingers.

Our system of government allows quick, almost unilateral action to make changes. Theirs does not.

 

[Old Skool]

Care to elaborate or is this just yet another opportunity for you to claim conspiracy in your unrelenting rage against the machine?

There are many legitimate conspiracy theories out there but they are discredited by the efforts of whackos who call 'conspiracy' each and every time something bad happens.

I'm yet to see any reason to believe this was anything other than a psycho kid with access to weapons going on a killing spree.

JUDGE SEALS 'BATMAN' SHOOTING CASE

Prosecutors fear public scrutiny could 'jeopardize the ongoing investigation'

An Arapahoe County Court judge has granted a request to seal the case against James Holmes, the 24-year-old shooter who killed 12 and wounded 50 during a screening last night of "The Dark Knight Rises."

The motion, filed in Arapahoe County court, asks for the records in the case to be sealed, including search warrants, affidavits, orders and the "case file."

The District Attorney's affidavit says prosecutors are investigating first-degree murder charges against Holmes, but that disclosure of the court records would be "contrary to public interest" and "could jeopardize the ongoing investigation."

http://www.thedaily.com/page/2012/07/20/web-news-batman-shooter-sealed/

 

[fairdinkum]

Old Skool: Yep. Care to elaborate?

 

[Old Skool]

 

[fairdinkum]

Dude, that is not elaborating. It's just posting conspiracy theory videos.

That is not to say that the video isn't interesting - it is - but you aren't elaborating.

I get the feeling that you don't really believe the conspiracy theory you are implying in this thread and so by just posting articles and youtube videos, you can distance yourself from the theory if fresh evidence emerges that this was indeed a one-man job.

There are much better conspiracy theories to give your time to. Explain to me how a mentally ******ed person with no weapons or combat training can do the things Martin Bryant was convicted of doing. Head-shots from the hip ffs. Now there's a conspiracy theory with some meat to it.

When guys start alleging (explicitly or implicitly) conspiracy theories in cases like this where there is scant evidence to back those claims up, it discredits all conspiracy theories, including ones like the Port Arthur massacre which actually deserve attention.

 

[Flawed Genius]

What's the conspiracy theory in regards to Port Arthur?

 

[Gough]

The 2nd Amendment allowed people to carry arms at a time when people carried muskets. The people who legislated this I would imagine, did not foresee the proliferation of assault weapons in the late 20th and early 21st century.
Most people here are right about the American attitude towards their constitution though, just look at the furore over the Healthcare Bill. For the American government to compel citizens to buy healthcare is extraordinarily contentious.
It's worth remembering here, that there is a massive mindset difference between America and Australia, or Britain about the role that the government plays in people's lives.

 

[Old Skool]

The whole thing doesn't resonate well with me.

This reeks of psyop.

 

[radiojake]

What's the conspiracy theory in regards to Port Arthur?

Paraphrased:

The head shot hit ratio amongst the victims of Port Arthur massacre was an insanely high rate - So high that many people have doubted that Bryant, who by all reports was not a bright man, could not have possibly carried out massacre by himself achieving a head shot hit ratio akin to that of a top line SAS soldier...

Some people think it was an inside job in order to bring in strict gun control laws into Australia...

 

[Old Skool]

- Bryant has the IQ of an 11 year old child.

- Broad Arrow Cafe: 29 bullets/32 hits/20 kills/12 injured in 90 seconds. The Cafe is later bulldozed.

Plenty of other stuff.

 

[Flawed Genius]

I know the official reason they bulldozed the cafe was so that they could make it into a memorial. I know, I've been in it.

 

[LadyPants]

http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/x1sjh/i_went_to_the_same_high_school_graduated_the_same/

Taken from this AMA

James Holmes strikes me as an Intelligent individual whom obviously had some social problems. he seems awkward in his school presentations. a total creep IMO. yet he comes off as a total mister know it all. I think he was very intrigued by the human brain, and society as a whole. I think he did it because he wanted to see if he could get away with mass murder. I think he thinks he is smarter than everyone, he sure as hell gave that off in his school presentations. he excelled in school, and everything in the world was easy for him. I think he wanted to use peoples lives as a science experiment.
first off he learns about explosives, and buys all these guns, ammunition, body armor, and waits for a specific date. all that alone is proof he didn't just snap and go on a frenzy. he thought this out for quite sometime. His family claims he had no drug issues in the past, yet his apartment is loaded with enough strong over the counter drugs to kill someone. Also if he is drugged, how did he become so good at explosoves, how did he obtain everything he did. go try to buy all the weapons he had. even when you aren't drugged beyond belief it's EXTREMELY difficult. Also if he was that drugged, why would he surrender so peacefully? he wouldn't have a damn clue what he was doing. yet he knew what time the movie started, what door was the correct entrance, and all this other bullcrap.
IMO he had the idea of killing everyone, leaving drugs behind, dying his hair and coming up with some batshit idea of telling people he was the joker to make himself seem like a nut. if the mental illness thing doesn't work, he's going to blame the drugs, which I guarantee he recently started taking. IF He took any at all.
he went silent mode after entering custody. people thought he was was just a pissed off teenager whom snapped. now that they find the drugs, I get the feeling it's a little late for an accurate toxicology report. Also the guy has been in custody for awhile, and has had time to sober up, yet he looks drugged beyond belief in the courtroom. family/neighbors mention him being weird, but never drugged out like he looks like in court. IMO It's a front. he's faking it.
he barges into a movie theater.... destroys everyone in sight, then peacefully gives himself up? If his sole intention was to kill as many people as possibly, he would have shot at cops. but no... he gives himself up, and then warns police about his apartment being boobytrapped?
why would someone learn about explosive and set their apartment with boobytraps? One would think for the sole purpose of killing anyone who entered.
but why would someone warn police of the boobytraps beforehand? you would think for the sole purpose of saving them. But if he didn't want to harm them in the first place, why would he take so much time to set them all up, and learn about explosives?
because he wants cops to think he is a psychopath, and/or he wanted to leave the drugs behind for police to find, and use that as his excuse. if cops were able to enter the apartment, and find the drugs right away they would have been able to test his blood to see if he was under the influence of anything. but because it took so long, I suspect if his results come out clean, he could use the excuse because he was tested way after.
IMO he is a kid who thinks he knows it all, and wants to see how much he can get away with. he is pretty much scam. I cannot be convinced that he didn't know what he was doing.

 

[fairdinkum]

What's the conspiracy theory in regards to Port Arthur?

Haven't looked at it for a while but from memory:

*Bryant was never actually tried. This isn't conspiracy theory, it is fact - although most people seem oblivious to it.
*Bryant was mentally handicapped. Again, accepted fact.
*Hit ratio of headhsots was at elite marksman level - Bryant never received firearms training.
*Police had been called out to someplace far away from the cafe by a bomb hoax so were late to the cafe crime scene, and people couldn't escape the cafe because the rear exit had been blocked shut - pretty clever stuff supposedly all thought up by the mentally handicapped Martin Bryant.

Bryant's own mother still believes his innocence (which isn't altogether compelling) but the scant attention this receives from the media (as evidenced by yours and many others ignorance about the conpsiracy theories surrounding the tragedy) is somewhat perplexing.

http://www.smh.com.au/national/bryants-mother-defends-her-son-20110227-1b9yx.html

The main theory goes that it was all part of a plot to help the then-government's gun regulation attempts by moving public sentiment against gun control. This is where the theory runs into some obstacles, as it would require a complicit secret agency and at least a handful of coconspirators who've been able to keep their mouths shut ever since.

Still, I can't for the life of me reconcile certain facts of the case, and it is a travesty that somebody can be sentenced to 35 life imprisonments without a trial in a supposedly free and fair country.

 

[Gough]

He pleaded guilty, like it or not under our legal system that means he declined his right to a trial. That may carry sinister undertones for some, but it's the way it works.

 

[Herne Hill Hammer]

So do we discount eyewitnesses who actually saw him pulling the trigger in the cafe? As for the headshots in there, he basically had the muzzle up against a lot of the peoples' heads. He even got two with one in at least one instance. He shot one person through the head and it exited into another person's head.

 

[Puntroad]

There's a full account of events on reddit in 13 parts.

www.reddit.com/r/news/comments/wv8t1/comprehensive_timeline_aurora_massacre/

 

[Old Skool]

*Police had been called out to someplace far away from the cafe by a bomb hoax so were late to the cafe crime scene, and people couldn't escape the cafe because the rear exit had been blocked shut - pretty clever stuff supposedly all thought up by the mentally handicapped Martin Bryant.

A drug hoax.

So do we discount eyewitnesses who actually saw him pulling the trigger in the cafe? As for the headshots in there, he basically had the muzzle up against a lot of the peoples' heads. He even got two with one in at least one instance. He shot one person through the head and it exited into another person's head.

90 seconds.

Firing from the hip.

Try it some time.

 

[Ron The Bear]

I think he wanted to use peoples lives as a science experiment...he wants cops to think he is a psychopath

These statements are contradictory. The first one is a solid gold symptom of a psychopathic personality.

 

[LadyPants]

It's not my opinion, but I agree. On the whole I just though the post was a different take on things.

 

[Ron The Bear]

It's not my opinion, but I agree. On the whole I just though the post was a different take on things.

Yeah, apologies, didn't mean to imply that. Have fixed.