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Clearly his best game for St Kilda - he has always been hard (10 tackles today), but has finally also got his hands on to the ball (22 possessions - 9 contested).

Has certainly put his hand up today to remain in the team once the big boys come back.

Fryman said:
Based on today I would have Armitage ahead of Luke Ball. Bally was the one disappointment today, absoluteley butchered it by foot today.
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Ball actually had the better accuracy (68% - 59%) today...

Ball should stay in the team from now on - he was as hard as ever (11 tackles) and got plenty of the ball (25 possessions - 7 contested).
 
yeah dunno how you could say bally was that much worse today, Armo had some shockers by foot as well but then again pretty the entire side was pretty average by foot. Was the only thing stopping it from ending up an outright thrashing. That's only to be expected with a midfield that inexperienced though.

anyway on topic yeah armitage was great today. would be impossible to drop him after that performance, which will make it difficult seeing as we have 7 clear ins, 8 if you include Baker (which I would).
 
Caught my eye the most out of all the Saints yesterday watching at Aurora, but his kicking is still a bit hit and miss and would I be right to say is his weakness? Because his attack on the footy, ability to tackle and pace (which I thought he lacked a bit of prior to yesterday) is more than satisfactory to be part of the Saints best 22.
 
PHX said:
Caught my eye the most out of all the Saints yesterday watching at Aurora, but his kicking is still a bit hit and miss and would I be right to say is his weakness? Because his attack on the footy, ability to tackle and pace (which I thought he lacked a bit of prior to yesterday) is more than satisfactory to be part of the Saints best 22.
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Armo can't be dropped. And Steven deserves more seniors.
 

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I believe Armo and Steven showed more yesterday than Eddy has shown all season, so they have gone past him for mine. Only issue for Armo will be whether he will still be as effective as he won't play in the middle for as long as he did yesterday. Wouldn't mind rotating him and Bally in the guts though.

On a sidenote, how about Maxy H racking up 104 SC points yesterday. He may have just doubled his career tally!
 
HoldenMCaulfield said:
Clearly his best game for St Kilda - he has always been hard (10 tackles today), but has finally also got his hands on to the ball (22 possessions - 9 contested).

Has certainly put his hand up today to remain in the team once the big boys come back.



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Ball actually had the better accuracy (68% - 59%) today...

Ball should stay in the team from now on - he was as hard as ever (11 tackles) and got plenty of the ball (25 possessions - 7 contested).
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As much as I hate to say it and I really HATE puttnig down our players but I think Bally should go back to the Zebs and Armo and Steven keep being played. Eddy? Maybe in and out, Same as Geary.
I think Ball is still injured to be frank. His kicking style looks like he's protecting a soreness in the groin or knee or something. Otherwise I think he should concentrate on handball delivery and become a Steven Powell type.
 
There is no way Eddy is in St.kilda's best 22. In fact way back in round 5 (Port Adelaide match) I could not believe Eddy got selected ahead of Xavier Clarke, who notched up a couple of BOG in the VFL. Sadly Xavier did his knee very shortly after that.

Armitage in St.kilda's best 22? Thought so myself. Will be traded if he does not play finals. He will want out. His trade value picked up very nicely after his performance on Saturday.

Luke Ball a disappointment? I thought he played well after a slow start. Unfortunately I do not think he can kick the football more than 35 meters anymore. I still love him for his hardness and tackling.

Eddy does butcher the ball.
 
Ball can still play a part if he can work on his efficiency by foot in the 30-40m range, we shouldn't be expecting long penetrating kicks from him, will be a very nice option for the club if he could play that link up and simply kick with poise into the F50.

Armo is still rather raw with his kicking, but by golly does he know where to be and how to get the pill and is still leagues ahead of Eddy's disposal rate. I'd personally like to see their disposal efficiency by foot around the 75%+ mark simply because you can atribute most scoring shots to a direct turn over.
 
Does anyone remember another midfielder that never kicked more than 35 -40 m?

The bloke holds the club record for matches played, won 2 Brownlows, 4 Club B&F, AFLPA MVPA, and many more awards...

Ball can contribute without kicking long. His accuaracy when not under extreme pressure is no worse than any other player in our club. He simply gets into more high pressure situations than most with his in and under work.

He was one of our best against the Hawks and, despite a slowish start, his stats were enormous.
 
He may not kick it as long as like e.g. Gram, but one of the most memorable moments this year started with a long kick by a certain Luke Ball...

Stop the video at 0:09 - and don't tell me he should have kicked a goal from there !

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Kildonan said:
Does anyone remember another midfielder that never kicked more than 35 -40 m?

The bloke holds the club record for matches played, won 2 Brownlows, 4 Club B&F, AFLPA MVPA, and many more awards...

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This a farcicle comparison.

Banger was just about the best kick upto 30 m in the competition and a big part was because he could hold and time his kicks.

Ball at present is arguably one of the worst kicks in the league, whether it is upto 30 m or beyond.

Just beacusea player kicks short does not mean that he will be acurate or that he will time the kick well.

Ball needs to e better than he is and he needs to rectify his shoddy disposal.
 

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I'm getting rather sick of opposition supporters eyeing Armo off, especially because they're trying to use the fact that he hasn't played that many games this year to justify trying to rip us off at the trade table.

Even if we were to consider trading him, a second round pick won't cut it. A spud parcelled with a second round pick won't do it either.
 
Offsider said:
What player would you seriously consider packaged with our second rounder?
Charman?
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Last year, that'd be a fantastic offer that we'd probably jump at. But this season Charman has lost serious currency, while Gardiner and McEvoy have both seriously stepped up in the ruck stakes. Between them, King looking like staying another year and the impressive showing of Rhys Stanley, our ruck stocks are fine and so I can't see a place for Charman.

Problem is our list is very tight, as it is I'm struggling to see who we'll delist at the end of the year. Accepting a second rounder and a player doesn't help us in that respect. If we did trade Armitage (and I don't see us doing so) it'd have to be for a first round pick.
 
Was great on saturday and rated him our second best on the day but still butchered the ball by foot a fair bit.

A lot did on Saturday so hopefully he improves on that area this sunday.
 
Cuz2Plugger said:
Armo can't be dropped. And Steven deserves more seniors.
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Definitely wasn't suggesting that, Armitage earned another week, but his kicking could be a problem under finals pressure in my humble Richmond-supporting opinion.

Thought Stevens was good, although Geary was probably a bit ahead of him on the day and might get priority for the 22. It all depends on how many Saints are ready to be back, and if they are, Begley and Eddy would be 2 morals to be dropped I'd think. Looked to be the only two who wouldn't get a pass mark out of your entire team imo. Although Eddy might have some kind of credits built up, but then again, that didn't help Geary after the Geelong game.

Watching last week I have little doubt that Kosi might also benefit from a weeks rest, and to replace him some Riewoldt dude can rotate back into the side.
 

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Offsider said:
What player would you seriously consider packaged with our second rounder?
Charman?
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Hardly. You can stump up a first rounder (considering it will most likely be around the 13 or 14 mark) plus a promising young player at the very least. Do you really think #30 and an ageing ruckman is enough for a such a promising young midfielder?

Gardiner, King, McEvoy, Stanley and McGrath will do just fine.

Is there any actual proof that Armo isn't happy? Plenty of AFL footballers have been forced to serve a long apprenticeship before getting their opportunity. It's not doing him any harm if Saturday's performance is anything to go by. Like Goose, there's a spot in the team for him next year if he can't force his way into the team after our big names return this season.
 
PHX said:
Definitely wasn't suggesting that, Armitage earned another week, but his kicking could be a problem under finals pressure in my humble Richmond-supporting opinion.

Thought Stevens was good, although Geary was probably a bit ahead of him on the day and might get priority for the 22. It all depends on how many Saints are ready to be back, and if they are, Begley and Eddy would be 2 morals to be dropped I'd think. Looked to be the only two who wouldn't get a pass mark out of your entire team imo. Although Eddy might have some kind of credits built up, but then again, that didn't help Geary after the Geelong game.

Watching last week I have little doubt that Kosi might also benefit from a weeks rest, and to replace him some Riewoldt dude can rotate back into the side.
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We don't have a Stevens , only a Steven.
Armitage got quite a few games last season and his kicking was not really an issue.
Last year he made a big impact in his first game ( 20 disposals , 2 goals ) but he didn't come close for the other 12 games he played. His kicking was not identified as an issue though, and he seems to be one of our better goaling options ( 10 goals from 13 games ).
The big plus from the weekend was that he seems to go really well with the Saints 09 hard tackling style. I hope we leave him in the side for at least a few weeks to see what he can do.
 
It would be fantastic if we could play all three regularly. Gears, Armo and Steve..n...o.

Last match - Eddy did a hell of a lot of one percenters and ran everywhere but didn't really impress by hand and foot, maybe he should just be played and played too.

Begley was actually very good in defence and very pacey.

Can't really rest Kosi unless we have some twin tower support for Roo. We need the twins, whether it be Mcevoy, (spelling) or GOOSE.
 

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