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DanA said:
Collingwood need to bite the bullet and trade for a ruckmen years end. Preferably a young one unless they can get an old one cheaply in the preseason draft.

I would take a shot at trading for someone young like Barry Brooks, Jason Laycock, John Meeson or Cameron Wood. These guys probably won't get as much game time as they deserve and have plenty of people in front of them in 07.

These guys will be around for the better part of a decade so will still be part of any success Collingwood have after rebuilding. It will cost an arm and a leg but I think it is necessary for Collingwoods future.
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Yeah rucks are the hardest types of players to develop. I think we do need to trade at the end of the year and we need to look for an upcoming ruckman coming into the game I thought Jamar would have been a good choice but Bryan is a suprise package who knows I think he could really stabd up this year. If he doesn't than Collingwood have made a huge mistakes by delisting talls Walker, Fanning and Hall.
 
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If he doesn't than Collingwood have made a huge mistakes by delisting talls Walker, Fanning and Hall.
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No we won't have, because these guys sucked.
 

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jabso said:
McIntosh and Hale barely managed to dominate tapouts against Richards and Bryan. It was more the sharking at ground level that killed us out of the middle.
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Put Cox in there and it would be a different story. There is a big difference between a quality tap ruckman and a young developing ruckman or a dud. I’d swap Richards and Bryan for Hale & McKintosch in a heartbeat and throw in a few draft picks as well.
 
MarkT said:
Put Cox in there and it would be a different story. There is a big difference between a quality tap ruckman and a young developing ruckman or a dud. I’d swap Richards and Bryan for Hale & McKintosch in a heartbeat and throw in a few draft picks as well.
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hale was a pick 7 in 2001 and mcintosh was pick 9 in 2002 compared to richards pick 37 2000 and bryan.i think big jack went to market to sell the family cow but instead of coming back with some money or some magic beans he brought bryan home
 
Yeh and Cox was a rookie while we paid pick 3 for McKee (and 7). You can chuck draft numbers around until the cows come home and still in 7 years with as many early draft opportunities as anyone, of not more, we got the magic beans but there’s a drought.
 
Its not as if we havent had plenty of top ten picks ourselves to draft a ruckman. We've had plenty of opportunities to draft a good tall, if not top ten, at least top 25. We've simply chosen not to draft them at all - we prefer to punt on "blue sky" projects like Morrison, Rusling, and now Dawes.

(apologies to Rusling and Dawes for the Morrison comparison - but they have a bit in common in the sense that they were taken quite high in the draft and were very speculative key position draftees).
 
Well, when we picked Fraser he was touted as a potential ruckman, and he has been our best prospect since he was picked in 1999.

Unfortunately, he hasn't really panned out as a ruckman in practise, and we still haven't done anything to help him out.
 
The Royal Sampler said:
Well, when we picked Fraser he was touted as a potential ruckman, and he has been our best prospect since he was picked in 1999.

Unfortunately, he hasn't really panned out as a ruckman in practise, and we still haven't done anything to help him out.
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what rubbish fraser is as good a ruckman as anyone around the ground.its just his center bounce rucking that needs work,which i don't place to much stock in if you set up properly in the middle.
 
Gotta disagree. Fraser is far better than most around the ground, but centre clearances definitely matter. It's not that his centre bounce rucking needs work, he was drafted in 1999, you don't think he's been hard at work on it since then?

We need to get a #1 ruck, allowing Fraser free reign to cause matchup headaches while also pinch-hitting in the ruck.
 

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The Royal Sampler said:
Gotta disagree. Fraser is far better than most around the ground, but centre clearances definitely matter. It's not that his centre bounce rucking needs work, he was drafted in 1999, you don't think he's been hard at work on it since then?

We need to get a #1 ruck, allowing Fraser free reign to cause matchup headaches while also pinch-hitting in the ruck.
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how do you explain 2003 we were rated number 1 in clearences from stoppages in the league yet we had stunning steve in the ruck who never got his hand on the ball, its how you set up.fraser is not a total loser in there either he gets his hand to his fair share also.
 
We did set up well, obviously, but with the same set up and a good tap ruckman you'd have to think we'd do better.

I never said Fraser was any sort of a loser, by the way. He just isn't a pure tap ruckman.
 
The Royal Sampler said:
We did set up well, obviously, but with the same set up and a good tap ruckman you'd have to think we'd do better.

I never said Fraser was any sort of a loser, by the way. He just isn't a pure tap ruckman.
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we could have gone for clarke or knoble but once the ruck contest is complete they contribute nothing
 
The Royal Sampler said:
We did set up well, obviously, but with the same set up and a good tap ruckman you'd have to think we'd do better.

I never said Fraser was any sort of a loser, by the way. He just isn't a pure tap ruckman.
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does anyone have last seasons hitout stats just for interest sake
 
2006 was a career best in hit-outs for Josh, he averaged 12.8, which had him ranked 19th in the league for hit-outs.
 

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The Royal Sampler said:
2006 was a career best in hit-outs for Josh, he averaged 12.8, which had him ranked 19th in the league for hit-outs.
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Sounds impressive until you think about it.

That stat means that eighteen out of the fifteen other "first rucks" in the AFL got more hit-outs than Josh Fraser. Or another way of saying it, three teams had two ruckmen in their team that outscored him, even though they were job-sharing while Josh went solo.
 
I don't think it even sounds impressive before thinking about it. And that was his best season in the ruck.

Again, I love Josh, think he's a great player, but he's not a #1 ruckman, and probably never will be.
 
Timmy from Thomastown said:
Sounds impressive until you think about it.

That stat means that eighteen out of the fifteen other "first rucks" in the AFL got more hit-outs than Josh Fraser. Or another way of saying it, three teams had two ruckmen in their team that outscored him, even though they were job-sharing while Josh went solo.
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It's not that impressive but there are a few things to remember
- This is an average not total. So some ruckmen with less games may be ahead of him
- Josh Fraser, IIRC is in the top 5 for "hitouts to advantage:total hitouts" ratio there was something about it in the Hun last year.
 
Timmy from Thomastown said:
I want to see up there in "uncontested marks", "marks inside 50", "contested marks" "goal assists" and most of all "goals"

Thats where he'll be of most value if we had a crash and bash ruckman do do his dirty work for him.
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that is what bryan was recuited for, he is a big enough lad
 

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