David Mackay

[kirky]

Can we stop chasing at shadows. Lets remember, both Stenglien (1999 to 2004 - 6 years) and Johnson (1996 to 2002 - 7 years) gave good years at the club and we knew the inevitable would happen at some stage.

Watts was always going back to Vic given his father was involved at St Kilda.
Meesen was a dud of the highest order. Hudson was the disappointment but he wanted a longer contract and we weren't prepared to give for a player near 30.

The club will do everything in its power and why would you want to move with the club in its next phase of success.

 

[CaptainDangerfield]

Can we stop chasing at shadows. Lets remember, both Stenglien (1999 to 2004 - 6 years) and Johnson (1996 to 2002 - 7 years) gave good years at the club and we knew the inevitable would happen at some stage.

Watts was always going back to Vic given his father was involved at St Kilda.
Meesen was a dud of the highest order. Hudson was the disappointment but he wanted a longer contract and we weren't prepared to give for a player near 30.

The club will do everything in its power and why would you want to move with the club in its next phase of success.

I hope you're right.

 

[Alex99]

Hey look, a purple pig just flew by. Qustion for you - If Mckay has told the club he wants to return home would you continue to play him?

Of course you would. You wouldn't?

 

[Cap]

i take the other approach

get him as much exposure as possible then trade him from a top 20 pick for the next super draft

assuming he wants to leave.

 

[Alex99]

i take the other approach

get him as much exposure as possible then trade him from a top 20 pick for the next super draft

assuming he wants to leave.

I agree. If he has decided to go lets get his player value as high as it possibly can go and get maximum value in return.

However if we stop playing him now we have a kid with 6 AFL games that has a bit of potential.

 

[tiggsy]

Rhett Biglands talked about this on Saturday night after the match on Triple M. He said that Mackay is a great kid with a good head on his shoulders but is pretty introverted and has had some trouble getting comfortable in Adelaide. He also said that Reilly spends a bit of time telling him he'll get over it and Adelaide is a great place to play. I guess we'll see how it goes but I reckon most of these young guys feel a sense of obligation that will get him to sign another contract. After that things often get better for them anyway as they become more comfortable in their new home. Hopefully playing for the Crows rather than South is making him feel more part of the group and more at home at the club.

I reckon for some people moving city/state is a big issue and you can't say you don't want to move or you'll be accused of draft tampering!

 

[King Elvis]

He'd be an idiot to sign up now.

Has only played 7 games, and is improving incredibly quickly.

Why sign a deal now when in another 10-12 weeks your value could be significantly higher?

In the meantime, spend some money and have his girlfriend relocate here for 12 months. Or find him a better girlfriend.

 

[Southerntakeover]

Regardless of how good/bad they are now, all 5 were REQUIRED players at the time and all 5 returned home. Very disappointing. No other club suffers from the go home factor like we do, not even Freo.

If you get good value, then theres no problem. Considering that in alot of those cases we've ended up better off with what we traded for, why should we be upset?

 

[bringbackmodra]

I am sick of these players that get home sick (if thats what this is all about). If he doesn't want to be here then I say we should stop wasting our time straight away.

We keep recruiting these kids from interstate when we known damn well they're gonna get all sooky, sooky & yet we let guys like Brad Ebert go to West Coast.

Our clubs hierarchy really have know idea, they either get rid of the players that want to be at the club or don't recruit them at all and recruit the ones that don't want to come here.

Goodbye David, good luck back home I hope it makes you feel better.

 

[Campbell's Chunky]

I am sick of these players that get home sick (if thats what this is all about). If he doesn't want to be here then I say we should stop wasting our time straight away.

We keep recruiting these kids from interstate when we known damn well they're gonna get all sooky, sooky & yet we let guys like Brad Ebert go to West Coast.

Our clubs hierarchy really have know idea, they either get rid of the players that want to be at the club or don't recruit them at all and recruit the ones that don't want to come here.

Goodbye David, good luck back home I hope it makes you feel better.

 

[StickerMan]

I am sick of these players that get home sick (if thats what this is all about). If he doesn't want to be here then I say we should stop wasting our time straight away.

We keep recruiting these kids from interstate when we known damn well they're gonna get all sooky, sooky & yet we let guys like Brad Ebert go to West Coast.

Our clubs hierarchy really have know idea, they either get rid of the players that want to be at the club or don't recruit them at all and recruit the ones that don't want to come here.

Goodbye David, good luck back home I hope it makes you feel better.

Oh dear.

 

[hey shorty]

Oh dear.

Seconded.

 

[cmndstab]

What the hell happened in this thread? People have gone insane.

Why on earth would David Mackay sign a contract at this stage of the career? Don't go on about that whole "we've heard this before" junk, if David Mackay has even a half-competent manager he would be telling David to hold off contract negotiation as long as possible. David has been more impressive with each week. Hell, why sign a contract now when he's a smokey for the Rising Star? Imagine the 0s that would add to his dollar value.


With Meesen the sole exception, no players recruited by the Crows in Craigy's time have gone home, and I truly believe it has alot to do with Craig placing a huge emphasis on selecting kids with the right attitude. How many times have we heard of us passing over kids that "didn't interview well"? I will eat my words if I am wrong but I would place money on Mackay still being at the Crows in five years time barring injury.

 

[tiggsy]

I'd second the view that any manager that was negotiating a new contract now would be doing a huge disservice to Mackay. He looks better each week and would certainly be adding to his value.

 

[Mismatched]

oh no, he's suspended contract talks, there's a possibility he might go home, what a f*** wit, lets drop him immediately, not worth our precious time, if he wants to go home the he can go home we don't want him, lets send him straight to the PSD, see how he likes that, hmph.

And whilst I'm at it, why do we bother with interstate draft picks, Dangerfield has already gone back to victoria, geez this club is incompetant, absolutely hopeless, Craig, Reid and Trigg have no idea, Rendell couldn't even get player's numbers right on draft day, why on earth do I bother to support this absolutely hopeless club

This of course is forgetting that if we were to drop Mackay because he's suspended negotiations, he will move back to melbourne, full stop and that if he were to leave, we should try to increase his stocks as much as possible so that we get the most out of him. Also, this club has made the finals in 8 of the past 11 seasons and despite predictions of wooden spoons a plenty from many "experts" for this year, let alone other recent years, we're still sitting pretty in the top 4 and probably have the best group of young talent we've ever had. How about we give Mackay the benefit of the doubt and wait till the end of the year, it most definitely, from his point of view is not the right time to be signing contracts when his stocks could rise significantly towards the end of the year. The fact is the club is and will do everything in its power to sign Mackay and with the even greater influx of interstate recruits, these players will feel even more at home, especially with blokes like Reilly mentoring them and potential that this list has for the next few years in terms of success.

Have faith in Craig and co. so many predicted the end of the world, that the shit would hit the fan when we let Hudson, Welsh, Mattner, Meesen and co go and yet look where we are and with probably the longest injury list in the AFL. From all the evidenct that we have this year, these blokes appear like they know what they are doing, show a little faith.

 

[Crow-mo]

Why on earth would David Mackay sign a contract at this stage of the career? Don't go on about that whole "we've heard this before" junk, if David Mackay has even a half-competent manager he would be telling David to hold off contract negotiation as long as possible. David has been more impressive with each week. Hell, why sign a contract now when he's a smokey for the Rising Star? Imagine the 0s that would add to his dollar value.

just not true.

He's not going to get some big contract. with the salary cap and the state of flux our list is in, there is only so much room we'd ever have to move on this. maybe we've a little more up our sleeve, but this idea that he'll get a significantly improved contract is just ignoring the pesky details of the cap and list management.

With Meesen the sole exception, no players recruited by the Crows in Craigy's time have gone home, and I truly believe it has alot to do with Craig placing a huge emphasis on selecting kids with the right attitude. How many times have we heard of us passing over kids that "didn't interview well"? I will eat my words if I am wrong but I would place money on Mackay still being at the Crows in five years time barring injury.

if craigy gets the credit for players staying, in turn he should take the heat for when they leave. incidently I don't think either is true.

 

[Drummond]

Rhett Biglands talked about this on Saturday night after the match on Triple M. He said that Mackay is a great kid with a good head on his shoulders but is pretty introverted and has had some trouble getting comfortable in Adelaide. He also said that Reilly spends a bit of time telling him he'll get over it and Adelaide is a great place to play. I guess we'll see how it goes but I reckon most of these young guys feel a sense of obligation that will get him to sign another contract. After that things often get better for them anyway as they become more comfortable in their new home. Hopefully playing for the Crows rather than South is making him feel more part of the group and more at home at the club.

I reckon for some people moving city/state is a big issue and you can't say you don't want to move or you'll be accused of draft tampering!

Can I just say, I freaking love Brent Reilly!

What. A. Champion.

 

[cmndstab]

just not true.

He's not going to get some big contract. with the salary cap and the state of flux our list is in, there is only so much room we'd ever have to move on this. maybe we've a little more up our sleeve, but this idea that he'll get a significantly improved contract is just ignoring the pesky details of the cap and list management.

So what do you think they'll do with him? Keep him on the same baseline contract he's on at the moment? There will be a couple of aged players retiring/being moved on this year which will free up some room in the salary cap, where do you think that money is going to go? I could be wrong about this but I thought that pretty much any recruit maintained on the list gets a better salary than they were on int heir initial two year contract.

Let's put it this way, he has a lot more leverage in his contract negotiations than, say, James Sellar at this stage of his career, because he already has runs on the board and looks like scoring a few more in the upcoming months. Unless you're suggesting form counts for nothing two years into your career, it makes sense to hold out for whatever more you can get.

 

[cmndstab]

if craigy gets the credit for players staying, in turn he should take the heat for when they leave. incidently I don't think either is true.

I dunno, I kinda feel both are true. Certainly people were screaming for his blood when Hudson, Welsh, and a for it looked like McGregor decided to leave. They blamed him for everything from being too stubborn to not being nice enough. Certainly I don't recall hearing anyone blame anyone besides either Craig or the players themselves.

In any event, I sincerely hope Mackay does decide to play. He'll add a heap to this club. My gut feeling tells me he'll stay. I guess we'll see.

 

[Crow-mo]

So what do you think they'll do with him? Keep him on the same baseline contract he's on at the moment? There will be a couple of aged players retiring/being moved on this year which will free up some room in the salary cap, where do you think that money is going to go? I could be wrong about this but I thought that pretty much any recruit maintained on the list gets a better salary than they were on int heir initial two year contract.

stop trying to resize my argument to fit yours.

no one said ANYTHING about not getting an upgrade from his initial contract. no one.

however, there is going to be a broad slot available to a player like that. no doubt there is some wiggle room within that slot, but your claims that he and his manager will be able to break from that and land a big dollars contract is just too fanciful to be believed.

Let's put it this way, he has a lot more leverage in his contract negotiations than, say, James Sellar at this stage of his career, because he already has runs on the board and looks like scoring a few more in the upcoming months. Unless you're suggesting form counts for nothing two years into your career, it makes sense to hold out for whatever more you can get.

lets not. you've made the association in your head between holding out, and getting a much bigger contract than has been offered.

and again, stop trying to make up my argument for me. it is NOT a matter of form counting for nothing, that's a stupid thing to say, it's an issue of how much it means at this early stage of his career. he's played how many games again?

you've gotten too carried away.

 

[Crow-mo]

I dunno, I kinda feel both are true. Certainly people were screaming for his blood when Hudson, Welsh, and a for it looked like McGregor decided to leave. They blamed him for everything from being too stubborn to not being nice enough. Certainly I don't recall hearing anyone blame anyone besides either Craig or the players themselves.

In any event, I sincerely hope Mackay does decide to play. He'll add a heap to this club. My gut feeling tells me he'll stay. I guess we'll see.

hope your right.

my gut feeling is that he's decided to leave. which would be a shame because he'll be the first player to just up and leave straight away cause he wants to .
consider:
Johnson - years of great service, eventually time to go home
Stenglein - years of good service, time to go.
Watts - wasn't being played
Meesen - wasn't being played (like watts, you can argue reasons, but from the player's perspective he wasn't getting a look in)
Welsh & Hudson - arguably our contract terms were below market

in each of these cases there are reasons, good reasons mostly, and I personally think I don't blame them too much.

But McKay, IF he goes, will be the first to just come out and say (having been given playing time) "you know, I just don't and never wanted to be here. bye".
which is in a whole new ball park.

 

[cmndstab]

I'm not trying to make your argument for you. I'm trying to say that David Mackay will be worth more money after round 22 (assuming he continues to play as well as he has been so far) than he would be now.

I never said he'd have a monster contract. I did say that he will be up for a larger contract if he waits until the end of the year. Admittedly, I don't know how football clubs operate so I could be completely wrong there, but that's what I would have expected.

My throwaway comment of adding 0s to his contract was obviously fanciful, I don't believe his contract will literally multiply by a power of 10. But I do believe that having a RS nomination (for example) will have a direct influence on the offer he gets from the AFC at the end of the year.


Certainly if he does just up and leave two years in, after getting some good game time and a reasonable amount of success, it will be extremely disappointing.

 

[CaptainDangerfield]

just not true.

He's not going to get some big contract. with the salary cap and the state of flux our list is in, there is only so much room we'd ever have to move on this. maybe we've a little more up our sleeve, but this idea that he'll get a significantly improved contract is just ignoring the pesky details of the cap and list management.

Bingo.

 

[The Crows Truth]

We need to hope the Weagles (less likely Freo) bottom out/tank the rest of the year. Theyve done it before to get Judd and they would be keen on the big Fijian lad who is tipped to go #1 this year.

This could possibly save us as the uncertainty of Mc Kay moving either further away from his gf and family may be too big a risk for him to take

 

[tiggsy]

Let's just wait until the end of year before getting too carried away now. I don't think anybody said anything serious about huge increases in his contract, but he should get more if he continues to play well so why not wait. If the club are worried about him going home they might improve the conditions of the offer as well. His manager is just trying to do the best by him which involves trying to screw the club for as much as possible.