Universal Love David Teague

[Coops93]

I may be misremembering, but when Teague was signed on didn't the club more or less tell him the assistant coaches would be remaining? I remember finding that quite odd because most of the time the new coach will bring in new faces and move some on, wanting his own group that he'd feel comfortable with.

Assistant coaches have long been in the firing line on this forum, obviously, so I wonder if that's also part of Teagues issue.

 

[Santo the king]

Do not want Ross and Clarko. This saviour mentallity drives me nuts. Dont get me wrong, having the right coach is critical but it is not a silver bullet to solve all problems. We have issues across the footy dept.

 

[Love the Drake]

Teague needs to be very clar and strong about the ‘way’ Carlton play the game. Add in non-negotiable so that every player and supporter is clear on expectations. If players don’t meet those non-negotiables they don’t play seniors. At the moment it’s all too nice and warm & fuzzy.

Contrast this to Hardwick and Richmond where everyone is very clear re coach expectations. From the AFL website..

"He just tackles, tackles, tackles, tackles and tackles some more. That's the way a Richmond man plays and that's the way a Richmond forward plays.

 

[james Dean]

Ahh the Clarkson rumours again.

Sam Mitchell would be a good coach, ruin the Hawks’ succession plan

 

[TwiggleyFanClub]

Ahh the Clarkson rumours again.

Sam Mitchell would be a good coach, ruin the Hawks’ succession plan

I don't know how much (if any) experience coaching he has, but geez I'd love Hodge to come in in any capacity we can get him in, and tear the prima donnas a collective new one.

 

[Blue__Balls]

We don't need to replace Teague, we need to get someone in to support him who can drive incremental improvement at a player level rather than a strategic one. Heard a bit of Choco Williams on the radio the other day, talking about his time at Richmond and now Melbourne - Melbourne were 4-0 coming up to another winnable (and eventually won) game, and when questioned about their improvement he said "the Melbourne boys haven't proven anything yet". Where is that attitude at Carlton? Reckon if we went on a 4 game winning streak we'd have anyone at the club saying "boys, it's not good enough, you can be better"? Doubtful.

Lyon is another one I actually don't mind listening to (sometimes). He can be a bit dry, and when he gets his "media hat" on and starts making outlandish comments just to generate discussion it's borderline painful to listen to, but sometimes you can hear him slip into coaching mode and his insights are quite thought provoking. Heard him discussing the pressure on Buckley, and he basically said that Bucks wouldn't be giving any attention to the external noise post-game, and would be in review mode to determine the reason(s) for their losses. Broke it down to identifying shortfalls in gameplan (coaches), application/execution (players) or personnel (selection/coaches). Said fans and media like to fixate on one, but good coaches review them all and try to find improvement in each.

There are the two types of people we should be looking to bring in ASAP - the analytical assistant coach and the affable old codger who will keep pushing the players to excel.

 

[Gavstar]

Do not want Ross and Clarko. This saviour mentallity drives me nuts. Dont get me wrong, having the right coach is critical but it is not a silver bullet to solve all problems. We have issues across the footy dept.

Ross Lyon doesn’t tolerate lack of effort. Our match committee seems to reward it.

 

[TheBlueCampaigner]

I really don't want Ross Lyon as coach. I don't want to have to watch that dire football week after week. He's the AFLs version of Mourinho, only without the titles. Park the bus and score just enough to win.

I'm not in the sack the coach group but I think Ross would be an excellent choice. Whilst I understand he's not popular with the general public his players seemed to respond to him. He's also smart enough to formulate a game plan that is suited to his list at the time which is what I think the good coaches do rather than ask players to play to a plan that they don't have the skills or physical attributes to execute.

 

[FRUMPY]

Ahh the Clarkson rumours again.

Sam Mitchell would be a good coach, ruin the Hawks’ succession plan

Hawks posted Mitchell's day in the coaches box against us in the practice match last week. Really calm and talks to the players like he does kids, alot of please and thank you...I found it weird but probably the way you have to talk to players these days. He was quite interesting to hear and theories behind things. Good viewing.

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[Dramoth]

I may be misremembering, but when Teague was signed on didn't the club more or less tell him the assistant coaches would be remaining? I remember finding that quite odd because most of the time the new coach will bring in new faces and move some on, wanting his own group that he'd feel comfortable with.

Assistant coaches have long been in the firing line on this forum, obviously, so I wonder if that's also part of Teagues issue.

The assistant coaches, under Teague, have long been an issue. Maybe the club has held onto the assistants because they were pushing to clear our historical debt first before addressing the assistant coaching issues, and running down their contracts a bit to save money.

 

[Coops93]

The assistant coaches, under Teague, have long been an issue. Maybe the club has held onto the assistants because they were pushing to clear our historical debt first before addressing the assistant coaching issues, and running down their contracts a bit to save money.

I think it was mostly the same team that was under Bolts so it's an issue that's been around since before T's time.

That would make sense from a business standpoint, but it doesn't help Teague a whole lot unfortunately. Though it seems most of the clubs emphasis is on business and off field success moreso than on field. All the talk of non-traditional revenue streams and such. I know it's certainly helped us clear the debt I just wish they'd show the same innovation in player development!

 

[Aphrodite]

The assistant coaches, under Teague, have long been an issue. Maybe the club has held onto the assistants because they were pushing to clear our historical debt first before addressing the assistant coaching issues, and running down their contracts a bit to save money.

Barker

 

[chunkylover53]

**** our supporter base love a messiah/saviour, don't they?

Like, how much more ****ing evidence do you need that poaching an 'experienced' coach isn't the way to go? Let's look at the recent top clubs.

Richmond: Damien Hardwick was untried
West Coast: Adam Simpson was untried
Collingwood: Nathan Buckley was untried
Hawthorn: Alistair Clarkson was untried
Geelong: Bomber Thompson/Chris Scott

Chris Scott

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0.4

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were untried
Brisbane: Chris Fagan was untried

Now let's look at hiring 'experience':

Carlton: Dennis Pagan, disaster
Carlton: Mick Malthouse, disaster
Gold Coast: Rocket Eade, disaster
Essendon: John Worsfold, meh
Freo: Ross Lyon, tick.

* Ross Lyon to Freo was still a fresh, hungry coach; not outdated and washed up like he is now.

Tell me, what is the fascination with this supporter base and big names? Is it the insecurities, fear and anxiety of not being a big club anymore? Is it not enough time in the headlines? Is it individual insecurity that needs to be compensated by barracking for a club with a famous coach? Like what the **** is going on here? I am astounded there are supporters willing to even entertain this idea given the disasters we have seen.

 

[Mikevk123]

Is he saying learnings yet?

 

[SurreyBlue]

Do not want Ross and Clarko. This saviour mentallity drives me nuts. Dont get me wrong, having the right coach is critical but it is not a silver bullet to solve all problems. We have issues across the footy dept.

Bingo - remove Lloyd immediately and find me the next Wes Lofts immediately and watch the transition.

 

[smashbox gill]

I still have faith in Teague but he definately needs some experienced help.
Plus we can’t go untried again and I don’t want another messiah.

The best way forward is to get some successful senior assistants and a coaching director around Teague.

Justin Leppitch, Nigel Lappin, Robert Harvey, Adam Kingsley

Adam Kingsley

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50

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16.9

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11.5

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5.4

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1.3

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No current season stats available

D

16.4

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10.4

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6.0

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M

3.0

3star

T

1.0

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etc

 

[mochacinolatte]

It is a sham we didn't ask Choco Williams to come as an assistant. Everywhere he goes success follows.

 

[gbatman]

I'll give Teague something in his defence, our injuries are shithouse and he's not being supported by young midfielders coming through as they should.

Needs to quit a few older blokes and focus on developing younger players. That and improving defence.

Need to up our assistants with some quality.

 

[Dramoth]

Barker

Not exclusively Barker... but since you mentioned him

But honestly, since the norties, have we ever had assistant coaches that could be a threat to the senior coach. That other clubs have come and poached from us? I think that Skinny was the last assistant coach we had poached from the club.

Who was Skinnys' replacement at the club? Would that be John Barker? Why has he been so indespensible to the club that over 10 year, as we've churned through a lot of other assistant coaches, he's managed to retain his job?

While I might sound like a broken record at times... the question needs to be asked? Why does he still have a job at the club, when 3 senior coaches and a plethora of assistant coaches have all been moved on?

If it's because he's good with the players and they all love him, move him sideways into a player morale officers role. He can still come out and work with them during training. But if it's for some other reason... questions need to be asked of the club!

 

[Dramoth]

It is a sham we didn't ask Choco Williams to come as an assistant. Everywhere he goes success follows.

I think that he was mooted around the club as Neil Craig's replacement when he quit. However, as a lot of people have noted, he hates Carlton with a passion that interferes with his ability to deal with us on a professional basis.

 

[Dramoth]

I still have faith in Teague but he definately needs some experienced help.
Plus we can’t go untried again and I don’t want another messiah.

The best way forward is to get some successful senior assistants and a coaching director around Teague.

Justin Leppitch, Nigel Lappin, Robert Harvey, Adam Kingsley etc

I've been suggesting Mitchell and Voss to take over our midfield coaching team. Lewis and Hodge would probably be a good alternative to those two.

Maybe Jarred McVeigh from Sydney.
Maybe get Campo back to the club as a midfield coach.

Maybe even look at successful VFL level coaches who are a part of a successful structure.

 

[The Great Ian]

These players will end Teague’s career if he doesn’t take control of the situation.

Teague needs someone to do the dirty work and bring an end to the ludicrous Murphy situation, then maybe that allows for a change in expected team standards.


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[17SetMeFree]

fu** our supporter base love a messiah/saviour, don't they?

Like, how much more ******* evidence do you need that poaching an 'experienced' coach isn't the way to go? Let's look at the recent top clubs.

Richmond: Damien Hardwick was untried
West Coast: Adam Simpson was untried
Collingwood: Nathan Buckley was untried
Hawthorn: Alistair Clarkson was untried
Geelong: Bomber Thompson/Chris Scott were untried
Brisbane: Chris Fagan was untried

Now let's look at hiring 'experience':

Carlton: Dennis Pagan, disaster
Carlton: Mick Malthouse, disaster
Gold Coast: Rocket Eade, disaster
Essendon: John Worsfold, meh
Freo: Ross Lyon, tick.

* Ross Lyon to Freo was still a fresh, hungry coach; not outdated and washed up like he is now.

Tell me, what is the fascination with this supporter base and big names? Is it the insecurities, fear and anxiety of not being a big club anymore? Is it not enough time in the headlines? Is it individual insecurity that needs to be compensated by barracking for a club with a famous coach? Like what the fu** is going on here? I am astounded there are supporters willing to even entertain this idea given the disasters we have seen.

Lyon is washed up, far from it. Maybe have been a little jaded, but a couple of years would have reinvigorated him.
The coaches you mentioned for Carlton, were appointments by idiots with cash, and little understanding of anything else.
Blind Freddy could see we were a pension fund for has-beens and their mates (Pagan - micky martin/ malthouse/ daisy )

we need discipline in application and effort every game. ATM we burn at 40% win to loss and I cant see it improving.
If you think Teague is the answer, just because time will fix everything, remember its a win-lose business

 

[Pentatonic Flat Fifth]

We don't need to replace Teague, we need to get someone in to support him who can drive incremental improvement at a player level rather than a strategic one. Heard a bit of Choco Williams on the radio the other day, talking about his time at Richmond and now Melbourne - Melbourne were 4-0 coming up to another winnable (and eventually won) game, and when questioned about their improvement he said "the Melbourne boys haven't proven anything yet". Where is that attitude at Carlton? Reckon if we went on a 4 game winning streak we'd have anyone at the club saying "boys, it's not good enough, you can be better"? Doubtful.

Lyon is another one I actually don't mind listening to (sometimes). He can be a bit dry, and when he gets his "media hat" on and starts making outlandish comments just to generate discussion it's borderline painful to listen to, but sometimes you can hear him slip into coaching mode and his insights are quite thought provoking. Heard him discussing the pressure on Buckley, and he basically said that Bucks wouldn't be giving any attention to the external noise post-game, and would be in review mode to determine the reason(s) for their losses. Broke it down to identifying shortfalls in gameplan (coaches), application/execution (players) or personnel (selection/coaches). Said fans and media like to fixate on one, but good coaches review them all and try to find improvement in each.

There are the two types of people we should be looking to bring in ASAP - the analytical assistant coach and the affable old codger who will keep pushing the players to excel.

I once thought of football as a captain in the field of battle with his comrades, now I think of football as a general in a war room with intel, assistants, maps etc.

So agree with all of the above - analogy I would have lethal, lyons, or vossy in the room screaming crazy with their ideas being taken on board but quietly put to one side and occasionally absolutely.

There is another Choco - Garry Ayres.

 

[reg_lower91]

Harry should stay in his lane and start kicking goals REGULARLY

Whether he does or doesn’t regularly kick a bag is irrelevant. Either way, he’s going to field offers north of $1m and he’ll potentially experience more success with another club vs what he would with us (at least that’s what he may start thinking).