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BigBreakfast said:
Simpson comes out and says their effort was embarrassing publicly and is largely lauded for his honesty.
We get the same old rhetoric from Teague. He doesn’t see himself as a head coach yet and there is a tenor of apologist about him. The odd bake doesn’t fix that. Uncompromising standards and honesty please. If he can’t do it, move on.
As for our game plan:
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Excluding the win:loss ratio

What is are our average losing score?
 
sparkyblue said:
I've been thinking about what it will take for DT to keep his gig beyond this season. There are probably 2 KPI's other than a positive win/loss ratio: addressing the 5+ goal momentum swings, and significant signs of improvement of 2-3 young players from the list of "underachievers" in our ranks.

If he's up to it in a senior coaching gig, these are pretty fair achievable targets.
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He'll be the coach next year, no question in my mind at all. Anything different would be a sad indictment upon the Club.
 
gab213 said:
He'll be the coach next year, no question in my mind at all. Anything different would be a sad indictment upon the Club.
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Depends on whether DT’s superiors have standards beyond simple faith, I guess.

I’d like to think the club has reasonable KPI’s in place that measure a coaches performance with the aim of actual improvement. If they fall short the coach and others are held accountable. Anything else would be a sad indictment.
 

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If Teague can work on our lock down defensive game we will improve significantly.

Score heavily then lock the game down. Plan A then Plan B.

Our Plan A doesn't score heavily enough yet, midfield and forward line needs better skilled more talented players. Better quality forwards and better ball movement and kicking required.

Plan B is a rabble, players and midfield tactics not up to scratch. Better structures, more pressure and better kicking required.

This is where I see things as areas to improve to go the next step.
 
gbatman said:
If Teague can work on our lock down defensive game we will improve significantly.

Score heavily then lock the game down. Plan A then Plan B.

Our Plan A doesn't score heavily enough yet, midfield and forward line needs better skilled more talented players. Better quality forwards and better ball movement and kicking required.

Plan B is a rabble, players and midfield tactics not up to scratch. Better structures, more pressure and better kicking required.

This is where I see things as areas to improve to go the next step.
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I think there needs to be a plan in place for when we concede 1 goal that stops us conceding 2 in a row. Particularly late in quarters. 1 or 2 defensive wins charge back and protect the back 6 with a spare or two.
 
gab213 said:
He'll be the coach next year, no question in my mind at all. Anything different would be a sad indictment upon the Club.
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In a way I'm very glad Teague is making his mistakes this year, as he's in contract.

If he saved all his learning curves for next year when he's out of contract I have no doubt we would sack the shit out of him.
 
gab213 said:
He'll be the coach next year, no question in my mind at all. Anything different would be a sad indictment upon the Club.
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Our 2nd half of the season draw becomes a bit easier... the Hawks , North , GC at home and FFS Collingwood... would want to win all them plus a few others before committing !!
 
The Blue Baggers said:
Our 2nd half of the season draw becomes a bit easier... the Hawks , North , GC at home and FFS Collingwood... would want to win all them plus a few others before committing !!
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IMO he should be locked in for next year right now, which he is, he's contracted until the end of next year isn't he?
 
sparkyblue said:
Depends on whether DT’s superiors have standards beyond simple faith, I guess.

I’d like to think the club has reasonable KPI’s in place that measure a coaches performance with the aim of actual improvement. If they fall short the coach and others are held accountable. Anything else would be a sad indictment.
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More depends on whether we are a serious football club or not. We can't be sacking coaches every two years without giving them a chance.

You do realise he has been coach for less than two years? That he was faced with his first year of coaching, 2020, being a write-off as far as being able to get any development into players? All this faced by a rookie coach?

He has coached in 36 games for 16 wins and 20 losses, previous to that we had won 3 games from 33 matches, exactly what sort of KPIs would you expect him to be set on that score. Improvement? Well, there's clearly been a big improvement on that score. We aren't getting smashed by anyone, we are in games against the top teams right down to the wire, exactly what 'reasonable' standards would you expect? How are you not seeing an improvement from one year to the next?

Good football clubs don't go changing their senior coach at the drop of a hat. Nor are they affected by the uninformed outside noise.
 

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Red_man2008 said:
I think there needs to be a plan in place for when we concede 1 goal that stops us conceding 2 in a row. Particularly late in quarters. 1 or 2 defensive wins charge back and protect the back 6 with a spare or two.
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Yeah there does, I can see we have been working on an attacking game plan which is great. Get some better kicks and ball winners in the middle and some better forwards up there like Curnow and we should be able to score heavily against all sides with that game plan. It's when we are up late in games by 4-8 goals that the problem starts.

You can't keep playing attacking footy the whole game, no team has the energy for that and you need to be able to lock down and defend yourself back into the game when the opposition get in front and get a run on.

It's this game where we need to work on. To stop opposition getting a run on and manufacture a steady comeback and to protect a solid lead when we build one.

We have the defence for that however our midfield is too lose and open. The call needs to come from the coach or the players on the field to lock it up. That doesn't mean no scoring, it mean possession footy which means good kicking and it means creating contests and ball ups which means numbers to the contest and good tackling.

I think Teague has plan A worked out but hasn't got the quality of team to really cash in on it. We don't have plan B worked out where we can really lock a game down and waste time and keep our scoring going while shutting the scoring down at the other end.

Maybe we are going it one step at a time and we will work on our locking down as the season goes on. I hope so. I just feel we need to find some players to execute things better.

To win a premiership you need to have a solid attacking game plan and a solid defensive one not just one game plan the whole time and at this stage you are right we only have one of those.
 
We are conceding 55 inside 50s a game, North Melbourne who are historically shit are conceding 58.

Midfield pressure is non existent, we are a low possession team which is also
Low in tackles.

Gameplan in the middle needs to be overhauled and stop being so one way oriented.
 
gab213 said:
He has coached in 36 games for 16 wins and 20 losses, previous to that we had won 3 games from 33 matches, exactly what sort of KPIs would you expect him to be set on that score. Improvement? Well, there's clearly been a big improvement on that score. We aren't getting smashed by anyone, we are in games against the top teams right down to the wire, exactly what 'reasonable' standards would you expect? How are you not seeing an improvement from one year to the next?
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While the sample size of 36 games under DT is relatively small, but barring a series of blowouts he will be given at least the rest of this year to state his case. My original post was simply exploring what the KPI's would be for him to get a passing grade and keep his gig. Every professional organisation sets KPI's to evaluate success (or failure) over the short, medium, and long term.

A "reasonable standard" would be to not give up 5+ goal runs to opposing sides in 23 of those 36 games. It would also be reasonable to suggest that a coach would be able to determine that it was a fundamental flaw in their strategy and adjust accordingly to counter this problem after the 5th, 10th, 15th, or 20th time it happened, but he simply hasn't. He also hasn't shown any appetite or capability to develop young talent beyond H, Walsh, and Weiters...there is a large portion of our list that has question marks over them, as they did when he took over.
 
sparkyblue said:
While the sample size of 36 games under DT is relatively small, but barring a series of blowouts he will be given at least the rest of this year to state his case. My original post was simply exploring what the KPI's would be for him to get a passing grade and keep his gig. Every professional organisation sets KPI's to evaluate success (or failure) over the short, medium, and long term.

A "reasonable standard" would be to not give up 5+ goal runs to opposing sides in 23 of those 36 games. It would also be reasonable to suggest that a coach would be able to determine that it was a fundamental flaw in their strategy and adjust accordingly to counter this problem after the 5th, 10th, 15th, or 20th time it happened, but he simply hasn't. He also hasn't shown any appetite or capability to develop young talent beyond H, Walsh, and Weiters...there is a large portion of our list that has question marks over them, as they did when he took over.
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He'll 100% get next year, It's his first year of coaching a regular season. Last year can't be counted and neither can the half a season before that, which mainly was an audition.

As a rookie coach, he did bloody well to hold it together last year under the circumstances, the other club that had a rookie coach didn't fare so well. I get the impression that he's quite driven and resolute, I wouldn't let the calm exterior fool you.

As far as developing young talent goes he hasn't had the opportunity to do so before this year so I'm not sure what you're expecting there.
 

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sparkyblue said:
While the sample size of 36 games under DT is relatively small, but barring a series of blowouts he will be given at least the rest of this year to state his case. My original post was simply exploring what the KPI's would be for him to get a passing grade and keep his gig. Every professional organisation sets KPI's to evaluate success (or failure) over the short, medium, and long term.

A "reasonable standard" would be to not give up 5+ goal runs to opposing sides in 23 of those 36 games. It would also be reasonable to suggest that a coach would be able to determine that it was a fundamental flaw in their strategy and adjust accordingly to counter this problem after the 5th, 10th, 15th, or 20th time it happened, but he simply hasn't. He also hasn't shown any appetite or capability to develop young talent beyond H, Walsh, and Weiters...there is a large portion of our list that has question marks over them, as they did when he took over.
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Not being silly here but do you know how many 5+ goal runs we have had scored against us since Teague took over and if there's a diminishing pattern?

I have had a look at this year and in the 8 matches we've played it has only happened twice and one of those was in the win against Essendon. Interestingly it has happened to the Tigers in three matches.

Only ask this as I think the problem may well be one of perception more so than present reality.
 
james Dean said:
We are conceding 55 inside 50s a game, North Melbourne who are historically sh*t are conceding 58.

Midfield pressure is non existent, we are a low possession team which is also
Low in tackles.

Gameplan in the middle needs to be overhauled and stop being so one way oriented.
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Yet we're 4th highest for inside 50s ourselves. We are playing a pure attacking shoot out game style. We let them inside 50 a lot, we go inside 50 a lot. It would work if we were scoring more from it but we aren't due to lack of forward quality and some poor disposers in the midfield. It's a good game plan for a high quality team to play but not all the time.

I don't have any issues with it but the fact we don't have a defensive game to use when we need to hold a lead or build a comeback with is an issue.

How we line up at stoppages is well worth a good look at, we were trying to hold a nearly 5 goal lead late in the third quarter last week and we played with a lose player out the back and allowed them to have a lose player as well. Real shoot out stuff. We may have had numbers behind the ball but it means nothing if the ball is going forward un-pressured.

Numbers back, push forwards up to the outside of the stoppages and go one on one at stoppages is where we needed to be late in the third quarter onwards against the dogs but we didn't do that.

Perhaps Teague is trying to nail our offensive game before building a defensive one which I also have no issues with but the time to nail the defensive game is now.
 
gab213 said:
He'll 100% get next year, It's his first year of coaching a regular season. Last year can't be counted and neither can the half a season before that, which mainly was an audition.

As a rookie coach, he did bloody well to hold it together last year under the circumstances, the other club that had a rookie coach didn't fare so well. I get the impression that he's quite driven and resolute, I wouldn't let the calm exterior fool you.

As far as developing young talent goes he hasn't had the opportunity to do so before this year so I'm not sure what you're expecting there.
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Also reasonable to say that Owies and Coterill (both rookies) have developed under Teague and at a stretch could say Stocker and even Cuningham who I think has come back in a better and more consistent player this time.
 
blue healer said:
Not being silly here but do you know how many 5+ goal runs we have had scored against us since Teague took over and if there's a diminishing pattern?
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As per my post, 23 of 36 games under Teague. See last quarter and a half of last week for the most recent example. Another poster listed them all previously on BF. IIRC, it's happened in 5 of 8 games this year (Dogs, Lions, Power, Pies, Tigers), so the pattern doesn't appear to be diminishing. There were similar momentum shifts in the Scum and Freo games too.
 
sparkyblue said:
As per my post, 23 of 36 games under Teague. See last quarter and a half of last week for the most recent example. Another poster listed them all previously on BF. IIRC, it's happened in 5 of 8 games this year (Dogs, Lions, Power, Pies, Tigers), so the pattern doesn't appear to be diminishing. There were similar momentum shifts in the Scum and Freo games too.
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Well you should revisit those figures because runs of 5 goals plus against us have happened only once, against the Bulldogs. Richmond (4),Pies (3), Freo (3), Suns (3), Port (4), Bris (4) and Ess (4).

Actually just re-checked to get this result. Had previously miscounted the Essendon game as one.

I'm not going to bother fact checking your 23 of 36 figure given the above.

Source: AFL results timeline.
 

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