Universal Love David Teague

[The Return of the Paf]

We haven’t been thrashed . Sign of building.


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It's a sign of the fear of losing and putting an emphasis on that rather than on developing players, that's what it is. Things can turn around quickly but at the moment we are not making the right decisions.

 

[norway blue]

It's a sign of the fear of not being a laughing stock and putting an emphasis on that rather than on developing players, that's what it is. Things can turn around quickly but at the moment we are not making the right decisions.

Sure mistakes aside.Team knuckled down. We ****ing won .


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[The Blue Baggers]

Sure mistakes aside.Team knuckled down. We ******* won .


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sure beats losing .... which we have had a habit of doing

still think we need premiership experience at the club to go next level !!

 

[Blue and Blue]

It's a sign of the fear of losing and putting an emphasis on that rather than on developing players, that's what it is. Things can turn around quickly but at the moment we are not making the right decisions.

No it isn't.

 

[therubbernub]

Bolton had much bigger problems than his assistant coaches. That was proven when Teague took over and we instantly improved.

Lloyd made a big mistake not bringing in anyone new at the end of last year. Hope it is rectified ASAP.

I don't think it's that simple. BB was given a mandate to play the kids and he did that. IMO he had faith in the continued support of that mandate that was there until it wasn't.
But that's afl and particularly Carlton. He should have read the tea leaves better.
It's not fair but that's afl.
DT took over and immediately started playing older players like murph and ed in the midfield again. Potentially stifling the development of those younger mids and ruining there confidence

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[Dramoth]

I don't think it's that simple. BB was given a mandate to play the kids and he did that. IMO he had faith in the continued support of that mandate that was there until it wasn't.
But that's afl and particularly Carlton. He should have read the tea leaves better.
It's not fair but that's afl.
DT took over and immediately started playing older players like murph and ed in the midfield again. Potentially stifling the development of those younger mids and ruining there confidence

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Cursed if you do, cursed if you don’t.

 

[17SetMeFree]

I don't think it's that simple. BB was given a mandate to play the kids and he did that. IMO he had faith in the continued support of that mandate that was there until it wasn't.
But that's afl and particularly Carlton. He should have read the tea leaves better.
It's not fair but that's afl.
DT took over and immediately started playing older players like murph and ed in the midfield again. Potentially stifling the development of those younger mids and ruining there confidence

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Their coaching objectives were both different.
BB played the kids, tried to impart with systems at the expense of instinctive football
Unfortunately for him, the heavy losses and their frequency was commercially untenable
The bounce you got from teague when he took over was an illusion, in the sense, he cut the shackles
stuck to traditional roles and encouraged instinctive football. Brocolli v chocolate bars .
what you see is disorganised, undisciplined sugar hit stagnation. We win some on the depth of raw talent
the only encouragement comes from 2 things
the others coming back to add to that talent, and having someone that has a plan in game and off field. along with a football manager
that understands development and effective assistants

 

[Jimmyonesix]

Yes but at 3.10 to 4.10 of his press conference he exhibits concerning diffidence about how his strong message at half time would affect the players. How many coaches, win or no win, would reveal that at a press conference?
He needs to toughen up and not fret about the players!

How much of what is said is said knowing the playing group would be listening -- like I bet he also said to the group beforehand that stuff about until will attack the ball carrier at all times with intent and protect the scoreboard we won't be a great side ..

 

[thylacine60]

Teague was interviewed by Dwain Pipe yesterday and DR said that Levi had been named as sub (wrongly as it happened). A casual "I wasn't aware that we'd named our sub" was DT's response.

My response would have been "I haven't decided who the sub is yet", but DT's was almost like he half expects decisions like that to be made elsewhere.

Anyone else think it was odd? How senior is our senior coach?

Don't be that guy, AD.

 

[Pentatonic Flat Fifth]

I don't think it's that simple. BB was given a mandate to play the kids and he did that. IMO he had faith in the continued support of that mandate that was there until it wasn't.
But that's afl and particularly Carlton. He should have read the tea leaves better.
It's not fair but that's afl.
DT took over and immediately started playing older players like murph and ed in the midfield again. Potentially stifling the development of those younger mids and ruining there confidence

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Glad you said it.

 

[Pentatonic Flat Fifth]

Cursed if you do, cursed if you don’t.

Or maybe Teague can just find a balance.

I seriously rate Teague - but this one issue irks me no end as it may cost us in the long term.

I seriously do not understand what is so hard about demoting senior players who are not performing every now and again, giving young kids a genuine shot at it, and letting them do so in their regular position.

Its not that hard.

 

[Pentatonic Flat Fifth]

Their coaching objectives were both different.
BB played the kids, tried to impart with systems at the expense of instinctive football
Unfortunately for him, the heavy losses and their frequency was commercially untenable
The bounce you got from teague when he took over was an illusion, in the sense, he cut the shackles
stuck to traditional roles and encouraged instinctive football. Brocolli v chocolate bars .
what you see is disorganised, undisciplined sugar hit stagnation. We win some on the depth of raw talent
the only encouragement comes from 2 things
the others coming back to add to that talent, and having someone that has a plan in game and off field. along with a football manager
that understands development and effective assistants

There is just no question Teague switched to playing the older guys at the expense of the kids - we can see the data, its a matter of fact.

 

[JustaBattler]

Bolton needed to be more pragmatic and creative in his team structures - rotating more developed bodies alongside developing skinny runts instead of populating the on ball game with kids to the exclusion of seasoned players was a rookie error - that he insisted on repeating over and over and over again.

Still - all he could do was play the hand that was dealt to him as best he could - the list has changed a lot since Teagiue took over - there are very few comparisons to be made - except that Teague seems to take form more seriously than Bolton.

It could be argued that in playing under developed kids and watching them cop a battering week in week out - was detrimental to their development. Things arent as simple as 'get gams into them as fast as possible'.

 

[Dramoth]

Or maybe Teague can just find a balance.

I seriously rate Teague - but this one issue irks me no end as it may cost us in the long term.

I seriously do not understand what is so hard about demoting senior players who are not performing every now and again, giving young kids a genuine shot at it, and letting them do so in their regular position.

Its not that hard.

You’ll probably find over the course of the remainder of the year, certain senior players will be rested and the young players who are working on their issues with the new development staff will slowly make their way into the seniors.

 

[AlecDuncan]

Don't be that guy, AD.

I condemn myself. Again.

 

[Pentatonic Flat Fifth]

You’ll probably find over the course of the remainder of the year, certain senior players will be rested and the young players who are working on their issues with the new development staff will slowly make their way into the seniors.

100% entirely agree. And we also start playing the bottom half of the ladder so we may well scrape into the 8 - I have us winning at least 8 of the next 10 games or something (can't remember - but a lot).

How much damage has been done to SPS, Obrien and Dow in that time frame though ? If they leave it will be massive disaster in my view as they are essential for our stated PUSH for a flag in 2023. We would either have to trade in a heap of ready made players - or force others to come on quicker as Bolton was trying to do.

Just feel its a massive gamble that could have easily been avoided.

 

[Dramoth]

100% entirely agree. And we also start playing the bottom half of the ladder so we may well scrape into the 8 - I have us winning at least 8 of the next 10 games or something (can't remember - but a lot).

How much damage has been done to SPS, Obrien and Dow in that time frame though ? If they leave it will be massive disaster in my view as they are essential for our stated PUSH for a flag in 2023. We would either have to trade in a heap of ready made players - or force others to come on quicker as Bolton was trying to do.

Just feel its a massive gamble that could have easily been avoided.

I don’t think that the damage to those 3 is going to be as bad as you’d think. They each of them have bad habits picked up from our previous poor development work with them, that needs to be drilled out of them. SPS‘s dinky 15-20m kicks. Need to go, you can handball it that far if you need to.

 

[Santo the king]

Clarkson set their rebuild back years by bringing in Wingard and topping up with Scully, Patton etc

It's those decisions that worry me more about his gameday tactics the.

I just find it sad so many so supporters are looking for their pound of flesh in Teague and make assumptions that Clarkson is the coach to take us to the next level.

That is just guesswork, and it ended badly for us last time we did something similar (bringing in Malthouse)

If Teague has to go as coach, I would greatly prefer it for a younger, more well credential assistant with the fire in his belly. Adam Yze would be my pick.

Clarkson would only be coaching us for a massive paycheck and we all know it.

Might be the reason wright left the hawks...

 

[17SetMeFree]

Or maybe Teague can just find a balance.

I seriously rate Teague - but this one issue irks me no end as it may cost us in the long term.

I seriously do not understand what is so hard about demoting senior players who are not performing every now and again, giving young kids a genuine shot at it, and letting them do so in their regular position.

Its not that hard.

It is when the drums are beating, The default position is play to preserve the coaches job,
using older players, using injured players. Its a conundrum.
Playing the kids comes with greater risks SHORT TERM.

Teague is a great guy, but he's not an in-game coach and clearly relies heavily on his assistants for this

 

[TheBlueCampaigner]

I would publicly like to retract my comment made at half time in the game thread where I announced I was disembarking from the Teague train. Broke my rule of not posting whilst drinking. Whilst I am frustrated with how easy we get scored against (surprisingly this seemed to correct itself immediately after my post..) I am definitely not in the sack the coach brigade. However a change of assistants would be nice! As punishment I will cleaning Thy's dungeon floor with a toothbrush whist wearing my mankini (he likes that).

 

[Dramoth]

I would publicly like to retract my comment made at half time in the game thread where I announced I was disembarking from the Teague train. Broke my rule of not posting whilst drinking. Whilst I am frustrated with how easy we get scored against (surprisingly this seemed to correct itself immediately after my post..) I am definitely not in the sack the coach brigade. However a change of assistants would be nice! As punishment I will cleaning Thy's dungeon floor with a toothbrush whist wearing my mankini (he likes that).

Thank god I wasn’t drinking my coffee when I read the last bit!

 

[blue healer]

I don't think it's that simple. BB was given a mandate to play the kids and he did that. IMO he had faith in the continued support of that mandate that was there until it wasn't.
But that's afl and particularly Carlton. He should have read the tea leaves better.
It's not fair but that's afl.
DT took over and immediately started playing older players like murph and ed in the midfield again. Potentially stifling the development of those younger mids and ruining there confidence

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So what do you think playing those younger mids through 3 wins in the 33 matches before Teague took over did to their confidence?

I think there is a more than even chance that the lack of success in those games, coupled with a difficult Covid interrupted year, is still having a significant effect on the confidence and development of these kids regardless of what Teague does. But not sure that theory suits the narrative for many here.

 

[blue healer]

There is just no question Teague switched to playing the older guys at the expense of the kids - we can see the data, its a matter of fact.

Which older guys did Teague bring into the team when he took over?

 

[BigFrizz36]

LOL, i just read sellers spills the beans on all assistants getting replaced, reveals his source as the footy manager and his brother goes nuts
Thats what I like about him, doesn't give 2 fks, Now the footy manager will get the sack and I bet that's what sellers thought immediately when he revealed it.
Like the last pin on the opposite side falling by itself. all of them gone. timing isn't great though

How did that turn out. Sellers has to apologise for making a baseless claim.

 

[Cripps 'n' Blue Bloods]

get xxxxxx!

Was he an assistant under Clarko?