Universal Love David Teague

[prisoner777]

I just have trouble believing that Brittain was bad, Pagan was bad, Ratten was bad, Malthouse was bad, Barker was bad (as interim), Bolton was bad, and now Teague is bad.
If we've managed to get 7 coaches in a row wrong, there's something bigger at play.

Was Ratts that bad? He took us into finals 3 years in a row.

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[prisoner777]

No he is NOT our man!


#YOUWANTROSS

Why not?

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[prisoner777]

I’m not even going to speculate now. The club is taking action and a review board will do a better job than I possibly could.

Let's hope they do ( no disrespect to you).

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[SBYM]

I ran a cafe where my customers included legends from our 70's side - they hate Richmond to this day. If you think that Clarko would even be welcome to Carlton then you better talk to Aitken and the O'Sullivans. We're at war. The Balme suggestion is nonsense and Choco chose when he advised Shiel to go to Essendon. Wake Up everybody!!!

Parochial gibberish like this is why we have been irrelevant for twenty years.

What a load of shite.

 

[Pentatonic Flat Fifth]

Parochial gibberish like this is why we have been irrelevant for twenty years.

What a load of sh*te.

No, its not at all. Most clubs have full blown parochialism. They're a footy clubs, you go to many club functions? Try saying this at one see how it goes.

 

[Blue and Blue]

I just have trouble believing that Brittain was bad, Pagan was bad, Ratten was bad, Malthouse was bad, Barker was bad (as interim), Bolton was bad, and now Teague is bad.
If we've managed to get 7 coaches in a row wrong, there's something bigger at play.

It's the curse...............

 

[azlou]

I just have trouble believing that Brittain was bad, Pagan was bad, Ratten was bad, Malthouse was bad, Barker was bad (as interim), Bolton was bad, and now Teague is bad.
If we've managed to get 7 coaches in a row wrong, there's something bigger at play.

I believe Malthouse was very very bad

 

[Cripps 'n' Blue Bloods]

Was Ratts that bad? He took us into finals 3 years in a row.

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It's debatable, but that's kind of my point. For whatever reasons, apparently we got all of those appointments wrong, and are now led to believe that Teague fits in that same category.
He's shown that our best footy can take it up to the best, but we can't seem to sustain it long enough. Sounds like good foundations to me, just needs some tweaks and better support around him.
If he's responsible for us letting the opposition get on 5-6 goal runs and the resulting losses, then he's also responsible for us being good enough to get 25-30 points up on the Dogs and being in front for 76 minutes.
Did we expect him to come in and be this almighty coach from the get go? I think there's enough positives there to stick with him.
There was probably enough positives with Ratts to stick with him too. I know Teague hasn't quite had the same results that Ratts did in his time with us, but let's not fall into the same trap.

 

[FoeverBlues]

It's debatable, but that's kind of my point. For whatever reasons, apparently we got all of those appointments wrong, and are now led to believe that Teague fits in that same category.
He's shown that our best footy can take it up to the best, but we can't seem to sustain it long enough. Sounds like good foundations to me, just needs some tweaks and better support around him.
If he's responsible for us letting the opposition get on 5-6 goal runs and the resulting losses, then he's also responsible for us being good enough to get 25-30 points up on the Dogs and being in front for 76 minutes.
Did we expect him to come in and be this almighty coach from the get go? I think there's enough positives there to stick with him.
There was probably enough positives with Ratts to stick with him too. I know Teague hasn't quite had the same results that Ratts did in his time with us, but let's not fall into the same trap.

I mention a while ago that I had a brief chat with the Demon coach about Demons vs Blues last game, he did mention that the "Blues spread very wide, making it easy to score against and also very taxing on players", he jokingly said "Just don't tell them!" but I am sure every opposition team knows this and I also believe its extremely hard to adjust during the season....
I do believe in Teague can coach but need better assistants and supports around him. Yes, I am very excited to see Power taking over the Stoppage/ Midfield coach...better setups and system will see us better defence and attacks, playing as a team instead of relying on individual brilliant...

 

[Jimmae]

Any Carlton supporter who thinks that David Teague and, for that matter, most of the current coaching panel are worth retaining has NO JUDGMENT. As Matt Rendell said, in effect, today the failure of the team is due to the coaches.
Everything in football, as in all areas of life, comes down to judgment. Irrespective of your intellect or your wealth or your sense of self, you either have good judgment or you don’t. FACT.
Mark LG strikes me as someone who lacks good judgment. Let’s hope that Sayers has it. Because we desperately need people of good judgment in the main decision making positions.

What an absolulte steaming pile of horse shit.

LoGudice started this process, and even sacked a bloke he brought in to help start it when he was becoming out of his depth (SOS with respect to draft valuations). 25 years of archaic decision making wasn't going to erase itself overnight.

The thought process behind this review - which was already planned - is arguably one of our last hurdles to finally fixing the identity of our club, and clearly he'd already ticked it off, even if it were only begrudgingly.

Everytime I've seen an argument like this, it ultimately comes down to one thing: you don't like that he's not a natural orator. That's not his job, and that's an absurd notion born of the populism rife in modern politics (as I hinted at with my initial comment).

Was Ratts that bad? He took us into finals 3 years in a row.

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Ratten pushed those around him to ultimately churn through talent by pushing them when they had injury concerns, and then select a bunch of two-bit hack role players with picks as high as the second round.

He was afforded too much power, and then it swung back the other way without much consequence to others. I'm sure he tells some bitter stories, but he was as poor as everyone else in terms of articulating his issues, and allegedly rubbed a lot of people the wrong way with his comments.

 

[woof39]

I think a huge part of of failures have been our recruiting and drafting. I would say for many years, it held us back to the point where no coach could really do much with the lists we had. It caused the club to go through 2 rebuilds, costing around 11 years of being in transition.

If you look at our list management from the start of the century up until SOS arrived, it makes for some embarrassing reading. Sure we hit on some picks and trades but overall, it was horrible.

Whilst we were a great team at the end of the 90's and early 2000's, our recruiting wasn't, it was arrogant and short sighted. When we were ready to pounce in that 2009 to 2012 period (after a long rebuild), the list management again, let us down, along with our historical need to bring in a big fish coach, without really assessing if it is the right cultural decision or if indeed it was the right decision at all. Then after a few years of being really nowhere with Malthouse, during that time, our list management was still one of the worst in the league. I believe this period was our worst in terms of securing a successful list for the future. We still seem to be living through the rebuild that was to follow.

Coaches are the one's that end up getting the blame and are moved on. I am sure some have not been up to it regardless of what list they had, and some were just unlucky. I guess we will never really know.

However, that is until now, as we have spent 5 to 6 years building a pretty good list. How that list is managed on field and the success of the team falls on the coach. No more hiding behind a rebuild or a poorly executed list management.

This is why I have changed my thought process on what will happen with Teague. I think he will go. The club clearly thinks we have a list to contend but we are so far off with how we are performing (which indicates that so is Teague), that even a bunch of new assistants won't change that. Teague is just too far behind, or at least that what I believe the board are thinking.

 

[LakeMungoMan]

We haven't been the same since the bone got pointed at us, in late 90's I believe. We need to do a cleansing ceremony at Princes park.
Leave no stone unturned, will need some powerful magic to undo our curse, will try anything at this point.

 

[JustaBattler]

I enjoyed watching Carlton play under Ratten - I don't enjoy watching Carlton play anymore.

 

[17SetMeFree]

I ran a cafe where my customers included legends from our 70's side - they hate Richmond to this day. If you think that Clarko would even be welcome to Carlton then you better talk to Aitken and the O'Sullivans. We're at war. The Balme suggestion is nonsense and Choco chose when he advised Shiel to go to Essendon. Wake Up everybody!!!

Thats surprising, I was at a function a while ago, on my table, marcou, ashman, j.buckley, Austin and g raines. they all got on well. Ashman was a softly spoken gentleman, more interested in me and work, raines and Buckley were interacting like 2 giggling cheeky kids with lot of secrets, and marcou is a funny fkr talking away like I'd know him for years. we traded barbs, like if he knew a good waxing salon. LOL
They talk about the behind the scenes hits, like badges of honor. funny day. thoroughly enjoyed it

 

[17SetMeFree]

I enjoyed watching Carlton play under Ratten - I don't enjoy watching Carlton play anymore.

round 3 or 4 2012 MCG against reigning Gfinalist , we destroyed them by 10 goals. It was the way we did it. walked away from that game thinking we'd win a flag.

Back then there was only 1 element that needed attention, defense - running the other way and Backline, we were too midfield centric.
1 problem

Now its everywhere

 

[JustaBattler]

round 3 or 4 2012 MCG against reigning Gfinalist , we destroyed them by 10 goals. It was the way we did it. walked away from that game thinking we'd win a flag.

Back then there was only 1 element that needed attention, defense - running the other way and Backline, we were too midfield centric.
1 problem

Now its everywhere

If memory serves me correct- we had 11 starting 22 players all out injured for slabs of that year - and an ex Collingwood CEO at Carlton feeding media about how Ratten just didnt have the ability to take us to a flag ...we murdered a Club champion absolutely murdered him and have put the mocker on ourselves ever since.

Ratten's biggest problem is that he over achieved with far far less than what the coaches and Club have these days in terms of resources and list.

 

[17SetMeFree]

If memory serves me correct- we had 11 starting 22 players all out injured for slabs of that year - and an ex Collingwood CEO at Carlton feeding media about how Ratten just didnt have the ability to take us to a flag ...we murdered a Club champion absolutely murdered him and have put the mocker on ourselves ever since.

Ratten's biggest problem is that he over achieved with far far less than what the coaches and Club have these days in terms of resources and list.

The list was pretty good then, if all on the park though, half the list decimated, finished just outside. Club got hoodwinked into the messiah complex, paid for it heavily

 

[Doro]

If memory serves me correct- we had 11 starting 22 players all out injured for slabs of that year - and an ex Collingwood CEO at Carlton feeding media about how Ratten just didnt have the ability to take us to a flag ...we murdered a Club champion absolutely murdered him and have put the mocker on ourselves ever since.

Ratten's biggest problem is that he over achieved with far far less than what the coaches and Club have these days in terms of resources and list.

I enjoyed watching us against the bottom 10 or 11 sides. We got broken down far too easily by the better sides though, particularly Hawthorn. Ratten got the most out of that list and we peaked in 2011. Had an ordinary spine/ thin midfield and didn't progress because if it. I long for the 90s, when we actually had a side in contention.

 

[JustaBattler]

I enjoyed watching us against the bottom 10 or 11 sides. We got broken down far too easily by the better sides though, particularly Hawthorn. Ratten got the most out of that list and we peaked in 2011. Had an ordinary spine/ thin midfield and didn't progress because if it. I long for the 90s, when we actually had a side in contention.

Jamison and Scotland in teh backs were reliable, Thornton was ok as was Laidler and but I used to cloese my eyes whenever Emu got the ball - disaster about to happen. Midfield was very well balanced and forwards were a scoring machine - we had genuen pace in Yarran/Betts/Garlett and Armfield and Simmo was great on the wing and Waite could do anythign when he was playing or not suspended. Hampson serviceable since Kreuze was mostly injured - very well balanced team and defense was always suspect with Judd / Murphy and Gibbs very one way - Carrots ran both ways and always kicked skywards - it was a good team to build on. We pizzed it up against the wall.

 

[ITCHY EYEBALLS]

Jamison and Scotland in teh backs were reliable, Thornton was ok as was Laidler and but I used to cloese my eyes whenever Emu got the ball - disaster about to happen. Midfield was very well balanced and forwards were a scoring machine - we had genuen pace in Yarran/Betts/Garlett and Armfield and Simmo was great on the wing and Waite could do anythign when he was playing or not suspended. Hampson serviceable since Kreuze was mostly injured - very well balanced team and defense was always suspect with Judd / Murphy and Gibbs very one way - Carrots ran both ways and always kicked skywards - it was a good team to build on. We pizzed it up against the wall.

Don’t forget 1AW...what a jet he was

 

[Doro]

Jamison and Scotland in teh backs were reliable, Thornton was ok as was Laidler and but I used to cloese my eyes whenever Emu got the ball - disaster about to happen. Midfield was very well balanced and forwards were a scoring machine - we had genuen pace in Yarran/Betts/Garlett and Armfield and Simmo was great on the wing and Waite could do anythign when he was playing or not suspended. Hampson serviceable since Kreuze was mostly injured - very well balanced team and defense was always suspect with Judd / Murphy and Gibbs very one way - Carrots ran both ways and always kicked skywards - it was a good team to build on. We pizzed it up against the wall.

Only one A grader amongst those names, Eddie became A Grade at the Crows. Compare that with Hodge, Mitchell, Burgoyne, Franklin, Roughead. It was a good team, missed the chance to be great via draft/ list management decisions Ratten had a big say on. 2011 was the peak for that group though, not 2013. Just weren't good enough.

 

[CarltonBlooz]

I think a huge part of of failures have been our recruiting and drafting. I would say for many years, it held us back to the point where no coach could really do much with the lists we had. It caused the club to go through 2 rebuilds, costing around 11 years of being in transition.

If you look at our list management from the start of the century up until SOS arrived, it makes for some embarrassing reading. Sure we hit on some picks and trades but overall, it was horrible.

Whilst we were a great team at the end of the 90's and early 2000's, our recruiting wasn't, it was arrogant and short sighted. When we were ready to pounce in that 2009 to 2012 period (after a long rebuild), the list management again, let us down, along with our historical need to bring in a big fish coach, without really assessing if it is the right cultural decision or if indeed it was the right decision at all. Then after a few years of being really nowhere with Malthouse, during that time, our list management was still one of the worst in the league. I believe this period was our worst in terms of securing a successful list for the future. We still seem to be living through the rebuild that was to follow.

Coaches are the one's that end up getting the blame and are moved on. I am sure some have not been up to it regardless of what list they had, and some were just unlucky. I guess we will never really know.

However, that is until now, as we have spent 5 to 6 years building a pretty good list. How that list is managed on field and the success of the team falls on the coach. No more hiding behind a rebuild or a poorly executed list management.

This is why I have changed my thought process on what will happen with Teague. I think he will go. The club clearly thinks we have a list to contend but we are so far off with how we are performing (which indicates that so is Teague), that even a bunch of new assistants won't change that. Teague is just too far behind, or at least that what I believe the board are thinking.

2009-2014, one player remains on the list and that's Patrick Cripps.

Guys drafted back then, should all be the experienced vets helping out the team now.

Still hurts us all these years later.

The 2014 500 IQ pick trade with GWS, ****ing horrible trade. You don't trade out a top 10 pick unless you're getting a gun player in return.

 

[The Blue Baggers]

I enjoyed watching Carlton play under Ratten - I don't enjoy watching Carlton play anymore.

loved his press … Betts Yarran Garlett on the edge … kick into space … goal … didn’t work every week … but when it did !!

 

[SBYM]

No, its not at all. Most clubs have full blown parochialism. They're a footy clubs, you go to many club functions? Try saying this at one see how it goes.

I'd rather the club recruits the very best available and we win some finals, thanks.

The macho-posturing bullshit can happen at the functions. Where it matters, on the field, I couldn't give a shit who is responsible for getting it done.

 

[Dramoth]

Brttain could have been something, had injuries, great game day coach, respected, his crime? Obsessive Elliot with "pagan or nothing" mantra
Pagan, oversaw ground zero sanctions, no one wanted to come, had a team of Moneyball has-beens- but we got mickey martin to 300.
Rattan, had a good list , got within a free-kick not given, to a prelim final, gunshot attacking footy, not defence minded. Injuries were the excuse for something bigger.
Malthouse. Kernahans error, jaded from the Collingwood fallout, did some ok things, ultimately lost the players, some left, set us back heavy
Bolton - great guy, development ok, wins didn't come when expected, management didn't see it improving
Barker - was at carlton too long. He should have left, got comfortable, paid a price, leaving the industry - says it all

Teague - Inexperienced game day coach, still in play, will he improve before the season finishes? probably not. Conundrum. 3 very capable, better coaches are on the market in the next period. Keep? risk Get another? risk which carries less risk?

All good people, but the development is stymied given continual staff changes. The next regime must have stability and development strengths. what a time to be alive.

Disagree with you on Malthouse being Sticks error. Mathieson had his agents on the board approaching Malthouse early in the year with the intention of sack Ratts regardless of the result and having the board install Malthouse to take us to a premiership. Malthouse thought his book tour was more important than getting into the club during the post season period and having a look at the players and working out who to ship off. And when he arrived, he found a few A grade players and a ton of overpaid B grade or lower players at the club.

Sticks, who was a Pratt faction guy, was livid that Mathieson had gone behind his back.