Universal Love David Teague

[gab213]

he's worried that our culture of mediocrity will win out because of wins like these.........................winning is bad, who knew?

We won premierships on the back of plenty of games like that including Grand Finals, I'm just amazed at how people are so determined to turn absolutely everything into a negative, even when we win. I guess we can take 70, 79 and 81 off the list of premierships as we didn't win 4 quarters.

 

[thylacine60]

It's this ridiculous idea that no-one can see our problems any longer because we won a game "Oh no, the wallpapering, the wallpapering!!!"..........

 

[bmaurizio]

Lose to North and the tune goes sack David Teaugy all over again.

 

[17SetMeFree]

We won premierships on the back of plenty of games like that including Grand Finals, I'm just amazed at how people are so determined to turn absolutely everything into a negative, even when we win. I guess we can take 70, 79 and 81 off the list of premierships as we didn't win 4 quarters.

When we lost in '69 and '73 , some within the club blamed 2 respective players squarely for those losses
One was an 18yo Italian playing his first game, who was absolutely destroyed and cast aside
the other was Croswell, who had an orange thrown into his face by a teammate.

i can only imagine the fear running through those players in those comebacks

 

[CarltonBlooz]

I worry that Teague doesn't have the coaching skill set to get the best out of our talented list.

I worry that as fair as it has been to level criticism at Teague + CO this year, he hasn't been properly supported from the start.

How do you bring in a training wheels coach but not have a proper mentor, panicking and bringing in Woosha via zoom and then the spin factory saying it isn't a result of how we were going is cringe city, thanks Liddle + Lloyd.

Brad Lloyd going from list management to head of a football department, who's the dumb campaigner that thought that was a swell idea.

Bringing in Liddle as CEO, how do you go from CCO to CEO, completely bizarre.

Tigers get Neil Balme, we go for Brad Lloyd, why WHY, must be a mates connection or some dumb idea like that I'm not seeing.

HIGHLY EXPERIENCED PEOPLE TO BACK UP A TRAINING WHEELS COACH, is that so much to ask?

Not bringing in a whole truckload of new assistant coaches, which we'll likely do at the end of the review, regardless of whether or not Teague potentially goes, who's swell idea was that? etc etc

As others have said, can we please not be a reactionary football club in 2022.

Kudos to Teague and Co yesterday...
Thought we played much better for four quarters defensively, but just couldn't connect with forwards for the first 3 quarters...
Then we lowered our eyes in the last and hit the free target.. Why cant we do it for 4 quarters..

On Teague, my opinion really hasn't changed..
If Clarkson, Scott or Lyon are available we should move on them.. If not we should stick with Teague...

Truly think a Clarkson, Scott or Lyon would get more out our list, fix our culture and build the club toward sustained success..

Although I'd like the club to make a decision and bring some long term stability,
I wouldn't be extending Teague until we see how he performs to this time next year...

I would be highly surprised if we decided to extend Teague's contract, would be a truly bizarre decision when he's got till 2022.

Clarkson sure, no argument there. He'd be the exception one would think, but even then what if that bungles it up and we're back to square one all over again?

But Why Lyon or Scott? An experienced coach coming in and winning a flag just doesn't happen 99% of the time, play finals sure? Win a flag, highly unlikely.

They both look good on paper sure, I just don't see how we would magically be different.

I'm fairly certain it hasn't happened in past 20+ years aside from Malthouse to Collingwood and even then that took 10 years.

Imo we will try and lure Clarkson over whether it be this year or the next and if not stick with Teague for another year, I just HOPE we finally give the proper support he should of gotten from the start and not find ourselves in another wasted season again next year wondering wtf happened.

I'll be mad until the end of time if Teague gets the blame for our woes despite being poorly supported from the start and we get rid of him.

 

[BigFrizz36]

Cripps , Darling, Gaff, Hurn, Naitanui, Redden, Ryan, Sheed, Waterman, Yeo...Not reserves IMO. If you're saying it wasn't their strongest side, I agree, but a reserves side? Not a chance.

People also conveniently forget that we lost Harry to concussion before quarter time that day. I know that we gave a lot of key forwards (ha ha) but that really hurt.

Plow also out suspended but I guess excuses run one way.

 

[blue healer]

People also conveniently forget that we lost Harry to concussion before quarter time that day. I know that we gave a lot of key forwards (ha ha) but that really hurt.

Plow also out suspended but I guess excuses run one way.

There don't seem to be any excuses for Teague. In the last two weeks alone I have seen both Clarkson and Hardwick blame injuries for their losses, seems to be something our coach doesn't do and, more to the point, few on BF will do it on his behalf either.

 

[blue healer]

We won premierships on the back of plenty of games like that including Grand Finals, I'm just amazed at how people are so determined to turn absolutely everything into a negative, even when we win. I guess we can take 70, 79 and 81 off the list of premierships as we didn't win 4 quarters.

Pretty sure we invented "the premiership quarter".

 

[thylacine60]

I wish there was an emoji denoting how much I love a post without me being represented by a bug eyed mandarin freakoid.

 

[Blue Viking]

If we managed to get Clarkson to coach the Blues, does that mean Bolton could come back as an assistant ?

 

[cookie monster]

Nice to see you cookie. Must be tough for you to front up after a win.

My argument has remained constant. Teague is far from perfect but continues to show growth in the role. I believe it would be a mistake to part ways with him at the end of the year, with my strong preference being to surround him with more adequate support.

The 'stance' in my earlier post is a cop out.

We met the minimum expectation against the worst Collingwood side in a generation. I'll get excited when there's something to get excited about, but Sunday's win on the whole is not it. God bless you, if you think it is

Who, by the way, were the superior side for most of 3 quarters...

There are gaping holes strategically. Teague is a survivor, not a winner. I actually think yoi can agree on that.

For me it's as clear as day that Teague is a massive problem.

 

[Mister Carlton]

If we managed to get Clarkson to coach the Blues, does that mean Bolton could come back as an assistant ?

I'm sure the players that got him sacked would love that.

 

[Blue and Blue]

We met the minimum expectation against the worst Collingwood side in a generation. I'll get excited when there's something to get excited about, but Sunday's win on the whole is not it. God bless you, if you think it is

Who, by the way, were the superior side for most of 3 quarters...

There are gaping holes strategically. Teague is a survivor, not a winner. I actually think yoi can agree on that.

For me it's as clear as day that Teague is a massive problem.

Two things cookie

1. You just got to put the agenda aside now and then and enjoy .. and remember every side is hard to beat on any given day
2. The final siren is all that matters

 

[BigFrizz36]

We met the minimum expectation against the worst Collingwood side in a generation. I'll get excited when there's something to get excited about, but Sunday's win on the whole is not it. God bless you, if you think it is

Who, by the way, were the superior side for most of 3 quarters...

There are gaping holes strategically. Teague is a survivor, not a winner. I actually think yoi can agree on that.

For me it's as clear as day that Teague is a massive problem.

Still awaiting your response regarding coaching changes during the game.

I think that we can agree that you have a closed mind and refuse to concede that there is a possibility that you might be wrong.

How the hell did the worst Collingwood side in a generation beat Richmond last week and Melbourne not long back?

So winning a game comfortably doesn't count and more unless you were the superior side for the entirety? We actually were the superior side on the day because we heavily outscored our opposition.

There are none so blind than those that will not see. We are a fair way from out of the woods but deliberately being myopic about improvement just shows people for what they are.

 

[cookie monster]

Two things cookie

1. You just got to put the agenda aside now and then and enjoy .. and remember every side is hard to beat on any given day
2. The final siren is all that matters

What a garbage post....

The final siren is all the matters? If this is correct, at the final siren we have been losers 10 times of the 17 times we've played this year - in a year our club was very forthright in saying finals is the expectation.

Who is accountable for not meeting what is by definition, the club's own performance KPI?

As for my agenda... I would say it's one that more Carlton supporters agree with than not. I have not been a Teague basher in fact I am on the record saying I wanted him to be given every opportunity. But this year for me it has become clear that he just doesn't have it

 

[cookie monster]

Still awaiting your response regarding coaching changes during the game.

I think that we can agree that you have a closed mind and refuse to concede that there is a possibility that you might be wrong.

How the hell did the worst Collingwood side in a generation beat Richmond last week and Melbourne not long back?

So winning a game comfortably doesn't count and more unless you were the superior side for the entirety? We actually were the superior side on the day because we heavily outscored our opposition.

There are none so blind than those that will not see. We are a fair way from out of the woods but deliberately being myopic about improvement just shows people for what they are.

Big Frizz how you going mate?

You've asserted that Tom Williamson moving forward swung the game for us. That is absolutely ridiculous. Tom Williamson? The same guy that was getting beaten by a park footballer 3 weeks ago?

Winning the ball in the centre first and foremost was what got us back on top.

 

[Bluebag13]

We met the minimum expectation against the worst Collingwood side in a generation. I'll get excited when there's something to get excited about, but Sunday's win on the whole is not it. God bless you, if you think it is

Who, by the way, were the superior side for most of 3 quarters...

There are gaping holes strategically. Teague is a survivor, not a winner. I actually think yoi can agree on that.

For me it's as clear as day that Teague is a massive problem.

Didn't we win the 2nd, 3rd and 4th quarters.

Actually thought we were the better side for the day but couldnt take our chances or executed poorly going inside 50.
But defensively and around the ground i thought we were the better team for the most game.

 

[azzablue16]

That wasn't a reserves side, they were a team which at its core was still stacked with talented and experienced strong leaders. Just because some people were made to look foolish for their unrealistic expectations of just having to show up to win it doesn't make them a bad side.

Without going thru the team list again , even the media were joking about being a wafl side !!
Brace yourself mate , Teague has only 5 weeks to go irrespective of were we finish on the ladder

 

[blue healer]

What a garbage post....

The final siren is all the matters? If this is correct, at the final siren we have been losers 10 times of the 17 times we've played this year - in a year our club was very forthright in saying finals is the expectation.

Who is accountable for not meeting what is by definition, the club's own performance KPI?

As for my agenda... I would say it's one that more Carlton supporters agree with than not. I have not been a Teague basher in fact I am on the record saying I wanted him to be given every opportunity. But this year for me it has become clear that he just doesn't have it

So "every opportunity" is less than two covid affected seasons, with an injury list the equal or worse than that better credentialed coaches have been whinging about, a tougher first half draw than any club that I've seen and under the pressure of most media commentators, majority on BF and an external review that many think is a tool for his and LLoyd's removal.

Hope you apply the same blowtorch to his replacement.

BTW at the final siren Hawthorn and Richmond (two best coaches in the League) have been losers 12 and 9 times respectively this season. What were Richmond's expectations?

Saints and GWS are 9 times as well, what were their expectations?

 

[blue healer]

Didn't we win the 2nd, 3rd and 4th quarters.

Actually thought we were the better side for the day but couldnt take our chances or executed poorly going inside 50.
But defensively and around the ground i thought we were the better team for the most game.

You should be careful to not allow facts to ruin a good story.

 

[Jeremias]

We met the minimum expectation against the worst Collingwood side in a generation. I'll get excited when there's something to get excited about, but Sunday's win on the whole is not it. God bless you, if you think it is

Not going to bite at the deflection. All I'll say is that it's pretty sad that you disagreeing with our choice of senior coach prevents you from enjoying a victory.

If we stick with Teague after the review I hope you will support the club and enjoy the victories as they come, but I won't hold my breath.

Who, by the way, were the superior side for most of 3 quarters...

And I'm sure they'll take great solace in that thought. I'd rather the 4 points.

There are gaping holes strategically. Teague is a survivor, not a winner. I actually think yoi can agree on that.

You think I can agree that he's a survivor not a winner? It's a bullshit throwaway line that you couldn't seriously substantiate even if you tried, so no, I'll steer clear - but thank you.

For me it's as clear as day that Teague is a massive problem.

Oh really? Never would have guessed that!

 

[blue healer]

Without going thru the team list again , even the media were joking about being a wafl side !!
Brace yourself mate , Teague has only 5 weeks to go irrespective of were we finish on the ladder

I will never understand why people make such definitive statements, can make them look very silly and just for the hope of an "I told you so".

 

[BigFrizz36]

Big Frizz how you going mate?

You've asserted that Tom Williamson moving forward swung the game for us. That is absolutely ridiculous. Tom Williamson? The same guy that was getting beaten by a park footballer 3 weeks ago?

Winning the ball in the centre first and foremost was what got us back on top.

I used four examples. Williamson cutting nobles supply was one of them. At no stage did I say that it swung the game, merely that it was an example of where our bloke coached better than theirs and helped change the momentum.

Pretty sure that you knew that though and thought that you could twist one little bit to try and dismiss the lot.

Williamson is interesting though. Many of the doom snd gloomers were aghast when he came back ninto the team. No allowance for the fact that he was having to play as a key defender in the twos which he definitely isn't. Now he's been given roles that he is capable of and surprise, surprise he is contributing to team success, and looks capable of being a senior player moving forward.

That's because not everything is black and white. Players can improve as they feel more confident in their role in the team (Dow, Kennedy, williamson). Coaches can improve as they get a better understanding of their players roles and capabilities.

I reckon if you were a tigers supporter you would have been yelling from the rooftops that hardwick should be sacked in 2016 (along with thousands of other's) just because things weren't happening as quickly as you would like. Not saying that's what will happen with Teague but I'm really warming to the opinion that we need to let him coach out his three year term because I am seeing areas of growth in his coaching and heclearly has not lost the players.

Appreciate you getting back to me though. Would be interested in your thoughts on my overall inital post.

 

[woof39]

he's worried that our culture of mediocrity will win out because of wins like these.........................winning is bad, who knew?

No not at all. Winning isn't bad, obviously, and I certainly mentioned that I was happy we won. I am just taking the time to think a bit deeper into it.

My concern is that the club are looking at this win and saying to each other, how good are we, when in reality, we were very average for 3 quarters against a bottom 4 team. We do have a track record of getting ahead of ourselves or at least not performing against top 8 sides. Is anyone OK with that? Let's raise the bar.

We need to make sure that the message aligns with this idea and my worry is that we don't do this and that is what I mean by accepting mediocrity.

 

[cookie monster]

I used four examples. Williamson cutting nobles supply was one of them. At no stage did I say that it swung the game, merely that it was an example of where our bloke coached better than theirs and helped change the momentum.

Pretty sure that you knew that though and thought that you could twist one little bit to try and dismiss the lot.

Williamson is interesting though. Many of the doom snd gloomers were aghast when he came back ninto the team. No allowance for the fact that he was having to play as a key defender in the twos which he definitely isn't. Now he's been given roles that he is capable of and surprise, surprise he is contributing to team success, and looks capable of being a senior player moving forward.

That's because not everything is black and white. Players can improve as they feel more confident in their role in the team (Dow, Kennedy, williamson). Coaches can improve as they get a better understanding of their players roles and capabilities.

I reckon if you were a tigers supporter you would have been yelling from the rooftops that hardwick should be sacked in 2016 (along with thousands of other's) just because things weren't happening as quickly as you would like. Not saying that's what will happen with Teague but I'm really warming to the opinion that we need to let him coach out his three year term because I am seeing areas of growth in his coaching and heclearly has not lost the players.

Appreciate you getting back to me though. Would be interested in your thoughts on my overall inital post.

You really lose all credibility when you draw the comparison to Tigers 2016.

To go over this again:

Tigers in 2016 had made finals for 3 of the preceeding 4 seasons, spending much of 2015 in the top 4 before finishing 5th. Hardwick already had runs on the board and on exposed evidence was a capable coach.

Carlton on the other hand, has not finished in the 8 since 2011. David Teague has no runs on the board.

It's actually not even a comparison to make