Roast Dawes

[Vampire013]

I was right on the fence last night in M23.
The whole night, Cloke and Dawes were being held by their opponents when going for a contest and no free kicks were paid.
The delivery to them was not the best either.
Very difficult to take marks when the ball is kicked over your head or if you have 1 opposition w***er holding your arm so you cannot make a contest and at the same time being surrounded by another 2defenders pouncing on the ball.
.....and yes - I agree the handball to Wellingham was stupid. It happened right in front of me. There were much better options downfield.

 

[TheGreatGrundy]

Ah guys, I'm so excited! Yeah Dawes didn't play his best game, sure, and needs to start handing out squirrel grips to get his hands stronger but man, we have a game plan that matches it with the best in the comp. Macaffer screw up a few times but when you mix it with the best you're going to sink or swim. All those young guys are better for the run tonight. We took a young side into play with the big dogs and regardless of what the papers say, we handed out some mean body blows and when we meet again in Round 19, and dare I say it, a Prelim or GF, well, they know not to take us lightly. We're a serious team this year and tonight just proved it. I thought tonight we really showed alot and....ARGH, I'm SO PUMPED!

Can I get some of whatever you are on?!

 

[TradeDraft]

Mooney - Franklin/Roughead - Barry Hall - Q. Lynch - Tredders - Brown/Bradshaw/A. Lynch - Lloyd

Theres a trend that develops here about big strong bodies forwards in relation to premiership success.

For Chris Dawes who has played 5 games this year at true full forward he was the difference in the carlton game, he was exceptional against the dockers without scoring a goal...

Ive never said that JA shouldnt be in the side, because he should. But not at the expense of Dawes.

Tom Hawkins was left in for 22 rounds at geelong last season and he became a better player for it. Faith and commitment to these kids is what we need.

IF the gf was tomorrow then id be playing dawes because JA this season has not given anybody a reason for him to be our FF...lack of opportunities perhaps, fitness and form are factors too

And no offence intended because you have a lot of valid points and i highly respect you as a poster here...JA against the dogs, saints, crows and cats in what you would call big games against the best defenders last year in the finals scored and round 22 1 goal i believe from FF.

He is good. He is best 22. But when your comparing a guy who is beaten by the best to a guy who was beaten by the best defence tonight, at FF, you cant exactly tell me that you can justify your arguments.

Agree, JA should of played last night. Would of been better then Caff.

Last Night was Dawes 1st Poor Game for the Season and the rest of the games he has been important and Hawkins last year is a great example

 

[TradeDraft]

Needs more time in the VFL... not the AFL to prove himself in certain areas.

Disagree with this. Playing in the 2nd will not help this, He needs AFL Game to get use to it and learn from these Mistakes

 

[soreplums]

I was right on the fence last night in M23.
The whole night, Cloke and Dawes were being held by their opponents when going for a contest and no free kicks were paid.
The delivery to them was not the best either.
Very difficult to take marks when the ball is kicked over your head or if you have 1 opposition w***er holding your arm so you cannot make a contest and at the same time being surrounded by another 2defenders pouncing on the ball.
.....and yes - I agree the handball to Wellingham was stupid. It happened right in front of me. There were much better options downfield.

Correct. I was in M14 and saw them repeatedly being held by one arm while another came across to double team.

All the long bombs into the forward line didn't work because no one looked before they kicked it to at least put it to Dawes or Cloke's advantage.

Leon is starting to worry me. He may lead the league for tackles inside 50, but he is not getting to the front to crumb, instead waiting for the one that comes over the top. He could have snagged a couple last night if he worked to the front because both Cloke and Dawes brought it to ground a fair bit.

 

[Go_collingwood_]

This.

Seriously, now it's "just a bad day" but Jack was black-listed forever and fell behind Dawes.

Seriously, the sooner we all wake up and realise Jack is so far ahead of Dawes it's not funny, the better we will be in tight situations.

Jack may not have Dawes' frame but he never lets the ball get in behind him- he always brings it to ground in front of him. Also, his overhead ability or out in front of his face is exceptional compared to Dawes. Clean, strong and one-touch too. His goal kicking is also second to none. He is our best deep forward and would have guaranteed a few of those missed shots for goal because one thing he does, is makes the most of limited opportunities. Has happened twice now (Saints and Cats) where Jack would have contributed to the difference.



Very quick to "forgive" Dawesy but you weren't so easy going on Jack. Honestly, I cannot believe the amount of people (Collingwood and non-collingwood related) have condemned Jack to the twos when he is our best forward. You had to look no further than all of last year where he got the best defender weekly and all of last week where for the majority, he had Tarrant playing on him whilst Dawes and Cloke got the lesser opponents in McPhee
and McPharlin.

amen get jack back drop Dawes simple

 

[rowdy3012]

Not a Collingwood fan but I have been impressed by Dawes over recent weeks. I love his attack on the football which seems to be his strength. I have to question the delivery to the guy last night.

The difference in the 2 sides was delivery. At one stage in the 3rd quarter I saw a kick to Dawes where he had to prop and stop and then he had a defender on top of him, it still went 2 feet over the top.. it then gets rebounded.. Geelong turnover... comes back in Cloke leading to the pocket the kick goes behind him and he has to spoil 2 Geelong defenders...it gets rebounded Pods comes tearing through the corridor gets a lace out pass where he doesnt have to break stride... goal.

The other question I have is the Collingwood selection committee. Why drop Anthony for a midfielder? The two disappointing Collingwood games, last night and St Kilda game the game plan was a defensive one not Collingwood on the attack. If Anthony had to go it should have been for another forward marking option IMO.

 

[Go_collingwood_]

Not a Collingwood fan but I have been impressed by Dawes over recent weeks. I love his attack on the football which seems to be his strength. I have to question the delivery to the guy last night.

The difference in the 2 sides was delivery. At one stage in the 3rd quarter I saw a kick to Dawes where he had to prop and stop and then he had a defender on top of him, it still went 2 feet over the top.. it then gets rebounded.. Geelong turnover... comes back in Cloke leading to the pocket the kick goes behind him and he has to spoil 2 Geelong defenders...it gets rebounded Pods comes tearing through the corridor gets a lace out pass where he doesnt have to break stride... goal.

The other question I have is the Collingwood selection committee. Why drop Anthony for a midfielder? The two disappointing Collingwood games, last night and St Kilda game the game plan was a defensive one not Collingwood on the attack. If Anthony had to go it should have been for another forward marking option IMO.

must agree when I seen jack dropped
I was like WTF this guy was important last week and we are going to keep caffa in the team? Serious coaching issue there

 

[TradeDraft]

amen get jack back drop Dawes simple

How would that fix anything leaving Dawes in the 2nds. He won't get any better playing against never will be FB's. If he plays poor a few more game you might drop him but not after 1 bad game where most of the side played lousy

 

[TradeDraft]

Not a Collingwood fan but I have been impressed by Dawes over recent weeks. I love his attack on the football which seems to be his strength. I have to question the delivery to the guy last night.

The difference in the 2 sides was delivery. At one stage in the 3rd quarter I saw a kick to Dawes where he had to prop and stop and then he had a defender on top of him, it still went 2 feet over the top.. it then gets rebounded.. Geelong turnover... comes back in Cloke leading to the pocket the kick goes behind him and he has to spoil 2 Geelong defenders...it gets rebounded Pods comes tearing through the corridor gets a lace out pass where he doesnt have to break stride... goal.

The other question I have is the Collingwood selection committee. Why drop Anthony for a midfielder? The two disappointing Collingwood games, last night and St Kilda game the game plan was a defensive one not Collingwood on the attack. If Anthony had to go it should have been for another forward marking option IMO.

Yeah spot on our Forwards got Ball that where Bombs and Kicked in Hope where Cats Forwards had balls on there Chest.

I don't know why a Forward was Dropped for a Mid. Mick has got me wondered some times

 

[Time Lord]

Fair points, but he is a young player, will have his ups and downs. If he has a bad game than fair call to pull him up on it but to carry on about it like its a career ending performance is a bit harsh. So he struggles overhead he will hopefully become better at it, I'm sure he will have many more games in the black and white stripe and quite frankly I don't have a problem with anyone who pulls on the black and white stripe. They will have their ups and downs and will be in and out of the side but as long as they are part of the black and white family I couldn't care less is they have a bad game here or there or even a long run of bad games. I will call it as I see it, but at the end of the day if they are wearing black and white its good enough for me.

They are out there for a reason, its not their fault they are selected. Its up to the selection committee and its them that aren't doing their job if they select players that don't suit our structure of are in a patch of bad form.

 

[Go_collingwood_]

Where was jack anthonys " his just learning " supporters? People need to see what's best for the team not who's going to be good 5 years from now jack is the better option and we need to use that now. I had a awesome view on Friday night and I was really upset at how many chances the guy had and due to his overhead marking skills it made it so easy for Geelong to get the ball straight out of the 50.

You want to know why Geelong kept the ball in there 50 while
ours kept bouncing straight out? Because of poor skills that Dawes showed last night. Flame me if you people want and tell me how much I'm wrong but I'm sorry I have the best interest of my team first not the best interest of 1 player and we seriously need to realize Dawes is not ready to play AFL level footy this year

 

[TradeDraft]

Where was jack anthonys " his just learning " supporters? People need to see what's best for the team not who's going to be good 5 years from now jack is the better option and we need to use that now. I had a awesome view on Friday night and I was really upset at how many chances the guy had and due to his overhead marking skills it made it so easy for Geelong to get the ball straight out of the 50.

You want to know why Geelong kept the ball in there 50 while
ours kept bouncing straight out? Because of poor skills that Dawes showed last night. Flame me if you people want and tell me how much I'm wrong but I'm sorry I have the best interest of my team first not the best interest of 1 player and we seriously need to realize Dawes is not ready to play AFL level footy this year

So you are saying we should drop Dawes and say you won't play AFL again this year

Kid is Passed playing at VFL Level and I doubt he would get any better in the VFL. Needs to Play AFL.

Did not help the Mids played to his Weakness and not his Strength by kicking it to his Advantage or below his head

 

[Go_collingwood_]

That's the thing mate a forward is ment to be able to mark the ball to be good at AFL level over head or chest and let's be honist here if you want to see Dawes playing against the best come finals time and you have guys like lake out there on him what are you going to say if last nights result happens and we are out again?

 

[TradeDraft]

That's the thing mate a forward is ment to be able to mark the ball to be good at AFL level over head or chest and let's be honist here if you want to see Dawes playing against the best come finals time and you have guys like lake out there on him what are you going to say if last nights result happens and we are out again?

Well JA would do not much better going on last year in the finals. Except for the Game Winning goal vs the Crows in the Semi he did not much else

 

[Go_collingwood_]

Well JA would do not much better going on last year in the finals. Except for the Game Winning goal vs the Crows in the Semi he did not much else

He had a bad game against Geelong and all of this board wanted him gone yet when dawesy does it you all say his learn get real people

 

[Babylove]

I personally don't get the comparisons between Dawes and Anthony. I know that Anthony played FF last year, but to me, given his size, he would be better in a Medhurst type role. I thought he was a good replacement for Medders when he was injured and was surprised that JA was left out when Medders wasn't ready to come back and they weren't bringing in another similar type player (if we have another). To me the argument for JA to come in would be him v Medders.

As far as Dawes, he is young and history shows that Key Position players take longer to develop than smalls and midfielders. He'll get better and benefit greatly from last nights game. If he was out of form I'd say drop him, but if it's about him improving and learning his trade better then being at senior level under the instruction of N. Buckly and A. Rocca up against the best in the business is going to benefit him a lot more than playing at VFL level. Anyway JMO.

 

[mattys123]

That was his 15th game, and realistically, his first against absolute top class opposition (premiership contenders).

He would have learnt more out of last nights game then just about his first 14 combined.

I'd like to ask how any top KP forward went in their 15th game against the reigning premier, and the answer in I'd say 99% of the cases would be; terrible.

The delivery was terrible last night, and for some reason Cloke was marking the ball closer to half back then half forward, meaning he had to kick it 60-70 metres to Dawes at times.

Dawes wasn't the reason why we lost, far from it.

He will be better next week against the depleted Lions backline.

 

[Shellz]

Oh how quickly we turn.

24 hours ago Dawes was a hero.

Shame on you all.

 

[danielnajdek]

Oh how quickly we turn.

24 hours ago Dawes was a hero.

Shame on you all.

Agree

 

[Go_collingwood_]

Seriously people that make excuses saying premiership competition really bothers me because that is the point I'm trying to make if we can't beat that type of team with dawesy get exposed and proving his not the hero some on this board make him out to be how the hell will we win a flag? We won't win one with playing Dawes type players just look at Brisbane and Geelong of the past decade and realize why they won flags

 

[Keele]

Kid is Passed playing at VFL Level and I doubt he would get any better in the VFL. Needs to Play AFL.

Not yet in our best 22 in my eyes and does not warrant a definate spot in the side for what he has done so far this year.

JA is more of a contender for that role DTM but he has been dropped for form.

Your comment that the players should kick to his strength not his weakness... he is according to you above VFL level. 4th season playing a FF role and is not good overhead which for a guy of his size is an important component for being a FF or CHF

He really needs to improve that part of his game and also learn how to keep the ball in his zone during marking contests for the small guys to feed off him and do that on a consistant basis as well as kick goals before I say he is above VFL level


Go Pies

 

[Kirby]

He was quite poor last night but the delivery was poor too.

He'll learn from it and he shouldn't be dropped.

 

[Krueger]

What the hell do you guys expect when the ball was delivered above his head and a Geelong defender breathing down his neck? If anything the mids delivering the ball are at fault and should have put the ball out in front and lower.

If he continually gets under the ball on the lead shows delivery was crap. Whats he meant to do? Slow down and wait for the ball drop??? Pfffttt

On a good day he would have struggled against Scarlett and co. let alone on a night when were were just bombing it forward or passing it so high spoiling was easy.

The problem was we had no 3rd option. No Medhurst or Anthony cost us.

 

[mdc]

If he continually gets under the ball on the lead shows delivery was crap. Whats he meant to do? Slow down and wait for the ball drop??? Pfffttt

Generally, yes, that's exactly what a good power forward will do.

But he's still very young, and is getting better. As I said a few weeks ago, Dawes isn't nearly as good as Essendon or Carlton made him look, nor is he is bad as Geelong and the Bulldogs will make him look.