Roast Dawes

[Number 10]

I don't know who watched the game because I didn't really see Scarlett on Dawes??
Either way - it's not his overhead marking...Anyone can take an overhead mark.
It related far more to his leading capabilities in a game where it was ruled by defenders.

This is how I see it -
He was very hesitant when starting a lead, waiting too long and leading to the wrong position for the ball holder to kick it to (Cue Jack Anthony - brains). This gave plenty of time for Lonergan or Taylor to just spoil it, simple. I did not see him once make a lead where he could confidently take the ball without it being punched away.
Lets not forget those two defenders are great and their job is to punch balls (hehe).

SO all in all he learnt a lesson which is to work on his leading and at least we saw him put his hands up for the grab alot actually, unlike other games where he would only go for the chesty.

 

[TradeDraft]

I agree with you, but I would love to see people treat players equally. honestly, if Anthony played like that tonight you and a host of others would be down his throat. One thing I noticed about Dawesy tonight at the game was that he tends to run under the ball a lot rather than keeping it infront and sticking his arse out to protect the flight of the ball. After listening to him on the Sunday FS last week I've got no doubt that he has his head well and truly screwed onto his shoulders and that the beating he copped tonight and any future beatings he receives will be put to effective use as learning tools.

Fair Enough and Yes I did see the ball go over Dawses head WAY too often. I think he struggles reading the play sometimes

 

[TradeDraft]

I don't know who watched the game because I didn't really see Scarlett on Dawes??
Either way - it's not his overhead marking...Anyone can take an overhead mark.
It related far more to his leading capabilities in a game where it was ruled by defenders.

This is how I see it -
He was very hesitant when starting a lead, waiting too long and leading to the wrong position for the ball holder to kick it to (Cue Jack Anthony - brains). This gave plenty of time for Lonergan or Taylor to just spoil it, simple. I did not see him once make a lead where he could confidently take the ball without it being punched away.
Lets not forget those two defenders are great and their job is to punch balls (hehe).

SO all in all he learnt a lesson which is to work on his leading and at least we saw him put his hands up for the grab alot actually, unlike other games where he would only go for the chesty.

Agree with that did not see his starting leads off but I take your Word.

But hopefully there is a Good Lesson he can learn and work on it

 

[danielnajdek]

are all of you guys ****ing serious? get a ****ing grip.would jack have done a better job.absolutely not. so get the **** over it.

 

[TradeDraft]

are all of you guys ****ing serious? get a ****ing grip.would jack have done a better job.absolutely not. so get the **** over it.

Very Well Said and I hate to know what happened if Leroy played

 

[TheGreatGrundy]

I have to say I thought he was awful. His inability to take an overhead mark had much to do with the consistency with which he ran under the ball. Players seemed to be kicking the ball to where they expected him to be and he never got there.Those who watch him at VFL have criticised this lack of leading ability, and tonight he did not get to the right position in any of the contests I witnessed. I was hoping Malthouse would play him at CHB and throw Reid forward.

Much as I would like to be positive about him, he could not produce in a pressure game and made poor decisions. He also looked slow. I am going to maintain a lower profile for a while.

 

[TradeDraft]

I have to say I thought he was awful. His inability to take an overhead mark had much to do with the consistency with which he ran under the ball. Players seemed to be kicking the ball to where they expected him to be and he never got there.Those who watch him at VFL have criticised this lack of leading ability, and tonight he did not get to the right position in any of the contests I witnessed. I was hoping Malthouse would play him at CHB and throw Reid forward.

Much as I would like to be positive about him, he could not produce in a pressure game and made poor decisions. He also looked slow. I am going to maintain a lower profile for a while.

No I think most of the Kicks Where Bombs to him and His Lack of Leading Smarts and Overhead marking really hurt him. When the ball is Delivered to him well he can be a Very Dangerous player. Stick with him mate give him time to develop at AFL Level.

If he was put to CHB and I hate to think what would of happend

 

[The Royal Sampler]

Dawes had a poor game. It was his first for some time. He did not lose the plot mentally, he just run under the ball too often and made a couple of poor decisions under pressure. He's played 15 career games. Shit happens.

 

[TradeDraft]

Dawes had a poor game. It was his first for some time. He did not lose the plot mentally, he just run under the ball too often and made a couple of poor decisions under pressure. He's played 15 career games. Shit happens.

and Had plenty of mates out there too

 

[Winthorpe]

Exactly what are you guys expecting of Dawes? Tony Lockett or Jason Dunstall at the peak of their careers? For the past month, most people on here have been describing Dawes as a revelation and a huge asset to help take the pressure off Cloke. Now, after a poor game against the most dominant team of the past three years, he's some useless hack unworthy of selection? Get some perspective, for Christ's sake.

 

[Old Spice]

And who was the star up forward tonight? I thought he was nowhere near the worst. Delivery via the boundary line was poison for everyone - especially with Geelong defenders staying back.

 

[loki04]

Been a Dawes advocate for a while and he does lack the real acceleration to break from his opponent and he is struggling over head, however he provides us with a good target and competes brings it to ground is never outmarked and releases cloke.

 

[Dansolo]

Ah guys, I'm so excited! Yeah Dawes didn't play his best game, sure, and needs to start handing out squirrel grips to get his hands stronger but man, we have a game plan that matches it with the best in the comp. Macaffer screw up a few times but when you mix it with the best you're going to sink or swim. All those young guys are better for the run tonight. We took a young side into play with the big dogs and regardless of what the papers say, we handed out some mean body blows and when we meet again in Round 19, and dare I say it, a Prelim or GF, well, they know not to take us lightly. We're a serious team this year and tonight just proved it. I thought tonight we really showed alot and....ARGH, I'm SO PUMPED!

 

[Pie eyed]

Dawes had a poor game. It was his first for some time. He did not lose the plot mentally, he just run under the ball too often and made a couple of poor decisions under pressure. He's played 15 career games. Shit happens.

In the first half I thought there was an exceptional amount of holding going on by the Geelong backs which seemed to go unnoticed.

Was I just hallucinating?

 

[Swanny36]

Honestly bagging a guy 15 odd games into his career?

Like Zahki said, Knee Jerk reaction, give the kid a break.

 

[Just Kick It]

Dawes had a poor game. It was his first for some time. He did not lose the plot mentally, he just run under the ball too often and made a couple of poor decisions under pressure. He's played 15 career games. Shit happens.

Not a great game, but there's a lot to like about him. I wish Reid would keep his feet and i would be over the moon if Dawes extended the dukes more often instead of trying to take a chest mark.

 

[Old Spice]

Not a great game, but there's a lot to like about him. I wish Reid would keep his feet and i would be over the moon if Dawes extended the dukes more often instead of trying to take a chest mark.

Reid's game tonite was very good. You might have to remind us of the moments when he lost his feet.

 

[mdc]

In the first half I thought there was an exceptional amount of holding going on by the Geelong backs which seemed to go unnoticed.

Was I just hallucinating?

The great full-backs are always very proficient at holding without giving away frees.

Presti is a master...hopefully between him and Hudghton they can pass on their wisdom to Brown-san, it would help him immensely.

 

[THATSGOLD]

yeh he had a shocker... wish he played the mooney role and lead straight up the 50 instead of leading wide.. but i guess thats got to do with how the ball is comming in.

 

[the mighty T]

Not a great game, but there's a lot to like about him. I wish Reid would keep his feet and i would be over the moon if Dawes extended the dukes more often instead of trying to take a chest mark.

Be wary of what you say friend...it would take a brave man to be critical of reids game tonight...i cant remember a lot of instances of him going to ground

their delivery was a lot cleaner than ours and particularly in theat first half reid did a lot of nice things...a defender beyond his years is what we need him to be and i think he's doing just fine. Mistakes are better indicators to learn from

As far as dawes is concerned, it was a dirty night for him. in some of the 1-1 contests he forced the ball to ground though, the smalls around him just didnt capitalize. In terms of his overhead marking, its not his strength obviously, tonight he got under the ball a bit and was a victim of poor delivery aswell.

Poor game, will improve...IMO Dawes >> JA still

 

[HFF]

He got comprehensively beaten by Scarlett, Lonergan and Taylor when each of them played on him.

Anthony however was given 0 leniency by a lot of supporters and was forever condemned as being pigeon holed as nothing more than a 3rd tall. Ill see if the same supporters say the same about Dawes now that he got destroyed by some good defenders.

This.

Seriously, now it's "just a bad day" but Jack was black-listed forever and fell behind Dawes.

Seriously, the sooner we all wake up and realise Jack is so far ahead of Dawes it's not funny, the better we will be in tight situations.

Jack may not have Dawes' frame but he never lets the ball get in behind him- he always brings it to ground in front of him. Also, his overhead ability or out in front of his face is exceptional compared to Dawes. Clean, strong and one-touch too. His goal kicking is also second to none. He is our best deep forward and would have guaranteed a few of those missed shots for goal because one thing he does, is makes the most of limited opportunities. Has happened twice now (Saints and Cats) where Jack would have contributed to the difference.

are all of you guys ****ing serious? get a ****ing grip.would jack have done a better job.absolutely not. so get the **** over it.

Very quick to "forgive" Dawesy but you weren't so easy going on Jack. Honestly, I cannot believe the amount of people (Collingwood and non-collingwood related) have condemned Jack to the twos when he is our best forward. You had to look no further than all of last year where he got the best defender weekly and all of last week where for the majority, he had Tarrant playing on him whilst Dawes and Cloke got the lesser opponents in McPhee and McPharlin.

 

[the mighty T]

This.

Seriously, now it's "just a bad day" but Jack was black-listed forever and fell behind Dawes.

Seriously, the sooner we all wake up and realise Jack is so far ahead of Dawes it's not funny, the better we will be in tight situations.

Jack may not have Dawes' frame but he never lets the ball get in behind him- he always brings it to ground in front of him. Also, his overhead ability or out in front of his face is exceptional compared to Dawes. Clean, strong and one-touch too. His goal kicking is also second to none. He is our best deep forward and would have guaranteed a few of those missed shots for goal because one thing he does, is makes the most of limited opportunities. Has happened twice now (Saints and Cats) where Jack would have contributed to the difference.



Very quick to "forgive" Dawesy but you weren't so easy going on Jack. Honestly, I cannot believe the amount of people (Collingwood and non-collingwood related) have condemned Jack to the twos when he is our best forward. You had to look no further than all of last year where he got the best defender weekly and all of last week where for the majority, he had Tarrant playing on him whilst Dawes and Cloke got the lesser opponents in McPhee and McPharlin.

I think the reason why a lot of supporters (myself included) prefer Dawes over JA in the FF role is that he provides a physical presence that Jack just doesnt have. and this season speaks for itself, excluding this game we have been dominant with our forward structure. It just seems to look more settled.

This week JA shouldve probably been in the team as a third tall to make the geelong defence accountable for him aswell. There were many 2-1 contests against Dawes tonight and he didnt get much assistance.

I dont think JA has been condemned to the 2's, certainly not by me. But, if the two were competing for that same role of FF i know who i want...not because JA is worse, but because we work better with dawes in the side.

I hope that JA isnt out of the side for too long...just not at Dawes's expense

 

[HFF]

"We work better as a side with Dawes in it?"

What can Dawes do that Jack can't?

Kick goals? Jack has him well covered.

Kick crucial match winning goals? Jack has him covered.

Take overhead marks? Jack has him covered again.

Defensive pressure? Jack has him yet again.

Get the best defender weekly? Guess what, it's Jack again.

If we were playing in a GF tomorrow, it is a no brainer I'd be taking the bloke who can kick goals at FF with an amazing goal scoring record to date, rather than someone with "presence" who didn't seem to have much of it against a more quality side/opponent.

With the best defender weekly in season 2009, Jack kicked 50 goals.

Last week, he had Tarrant on him for the majority of the game- again got the best defender from the opp. Dawes/Cloke respectively had McPharlin and McPhee- and people think Dawes makes Cloke a better player?

 

[the mighty T]

"We work better as a side with Dawes in it?"

What can Dawes do that Jack can't?

Kick goals? Jack has him well covered.

Kick crucial match winning goals? Jack has him covered.

Take overhead marks? Jack has him covered again.

Defensive pressure? Jack has him yet again.

Get the best defender weekly? Guess what, it's Jack again.

If we were playing in a GF tomorrow, it is a no brainer I'd be taking the bloke who can kick goals at FF with an amazing goal scoring record to date, rather than someone with "presence" who didn't seem to have much of it against a more quality side/opponent.

With the best defender weekly in season 2009, Jack kicked 50 goals.

Last week, he had Tarrant on him for the majority of the game- again got the best defender from the opp. Dawes/Cloke respectively had McPharlin and McPhee- and people think Dawes makes Cloke a better player?

Mooney - Franklin/Roughead - Barry Hall - Q. Lynch - Tredders - Brown/Bradshaw/A. Lynch - Lloyd

Theres a trend that develops here about big strong bodies forwards in relation to premiership success.

For Chris Dawes who has played 5 games this year at true full forward he was the difference in the carlton game, he was exceptional against the dockers without scoring a goal...

Ive never said that JA shouldnt be in the side, because he should. But not at the expense of Dawes.

Tom Hawkins was left in for 22 rounds at geelong last season and he became a better player for it. Faith and commitment to these kids is what we need.

IF the gf was tomorrow then id be playing dawes because JA this season has not given anybody a reason for him to be our FF...lack of opportunities perhaps, fitness and form are factors too

And no offence intended because you have a lot of valid points and i highly respect you as a poster here...JA against the dogs, saints, crows and cats in what you would call big games against the best defenders last year in the finals scored and round 22 1 goal i believe from FF.

He is good. He is best 22. But when your comparing a guy who is beaten by the best to a guy who was beaten by the best defence tonight, at FF, you cant exactly tell me that you can justify your arguments.

 

[Keele]

"We work better as a side with Dawes in it?"

What can Dawes do that Jack can't?

Kick goals? Jack has him well covered.

Kick crucial match winning goals? Jack has him covered.

Take overhead marks? Jack has him covered again.

Defensive pressure? Jack has him yet again.

Get the best defender weekly? Guess what, it's Jack again.

If we were playing in a GF tomorrow, it is a no brainer I'd be taking the bloke who can kick goals at FF with an amazing goal scoring record to date, rather than someone with "presence" who didn't seem to have much of it against a more quality side/opponent.

With the best defender weekly in season 2009, Jack kicked 50 goals.

Last week, he had Tarrant on him for the majority of the game- again got the best defender from the opp. Dawes/Cloke respectively had McPharlin and McPhee- and people think Dawes makes Cloke a better player?

I agree... was exposed badly last night as being very one dimentional.

He has a big body yes, but very weak overhead and in pack marking and it was known as his weakness and exposed as such last night.

Did not offer much else during the game other than being a target that gets to far under the ball most times.

Needs more time in the VFL... not the AFL to prove himself in certain areas.