Dean Bailey's Coaching

[Syrus]

Warning. This thread will contain negative aspects.


I personally do not think Dean Bailey is the man/coach that will lead us to a premiership and have made this known. These are the reasons why.

1. Has no winning culture - Whether it be at training or during the game, nothing but your best should be accepted (ala, Collingwood and Geelong). Winning is everything.
When players do done something that costs the team a goal, have a poor disposals or make stupid decisions they are not reprimanded. It should not be tolerated and they should be dragged and cop a spray.
Dean Bailey does not do this, a better coach would.

2. Has no Foward Line plan- I refer to this as Baileys Bald Spot. Too many times Melbourne do not have someone in their Forward 50 let alone their half. When Melbourne do actually get the ball and look up field to someone to kick it too there is no one. It was very evident on the weekend. How are you meant to win a game when no one is in the forward 50 to kick goals??
Suggestion: Leave Jurrah alone in the Forward 50 to play one on one with his opponent and let him do his magic. He would beat nearly anyone. Plus it would scare the shit out of the opposition player everytime the ball went in.

3. Does not try different things - I am a big critic of his but why not put Jack Watts at CHB and make him learn what it is like to play there. He will be beaten, but it will teach him valuable lessons.
I would also like to see Stephan Martin assume the position of CHF and Aaron Davey coming off the half back flank.

4. Cannot break a defensive zone -Too many times the person kicing in goes long to Jamar, who has 2 or 3 opposition players around him. It is not hard to break a defensive zone and all U18 TAC cup kids have been taught it during their development. The person kicking in needs to move the ball on far more quickly when kicking out as far too often it gives the opposition to set up their zones. Why dont we do it??

5. Cannot create a Forward Zone - It is something that we do not implement properly and it is far to easy for opposition teams to come out of our Forwards half. Which brings me to my next point.

6. Pressure (especially on the opposition ball Carrier) - Far too many time this season we have seen the opposition with the ball and a Melbourne player jogging towards him half heartedly. The opposition should know that in the back of their mind that whenever he gets that ball he is going to be tackled or under pressure.


Dean Baileys record speaks for itself. He does not have a game plan that works and his comments/excuses after games shows that he does not have it in him to be the hardline coach to give us supporters the premiership we would like. He should be moved on at seasons end.

Feel free to add your agreements, disagreements or abuse.

 

[Klyntonius]

Re: Dean Baileys Coaching.

Bailey thread.

 

[demonfromupnorth]

Re: Dean Baileys Coaching.

I personally do not think Dean Bailey is the man/coach that will lead us to a premiership and have made this known. These are the reasons why.

1. Has no winning culture - Whether it be at training or during the game, nothing but your best should be accepted (ala, Collingwood and Geelong). Winning is everything.
When players do done something that costs the team a goal, have a poor disposals or make stupid decisions they are not reprimanded. It should not be tolerated and they should be dragged and cop a spray.
Dean Bailey does not do this, a better coach would. [/quote]

Tell me this, when Alastair Clarkson was in his first 2 years at Hawthorn, did he have a winning culture?
How do you know players don’t get a spray? Are you that ‘fly on the wall’??

2. Has no Foward Line plan- I refer to this as Baileys Bald Spot. Too many times Melbourne do not have someone in their Forward 50 let alone their half. When Melbourne do actually get the ball and look up field to someone to kick it too there is no one. It was very evident on the weekend. How are you meant to win a game when no one is in the forward 50 to kick goals??

Suggestion: Leave Jurrah alone in the Forward 50 to play one on one with his opponent and let him do his magic. He would beat nearly anyone. Plus it would scare the shit out of the opposition player everytime the ball went in.

Don’t disagree, I find it frustrating when this happens to. Incidentally, I can understand this tactic when there are no free opposition players in our F50. With our forwards having good leg speed, it allows us to have the ball kicked long into the open space for us to run onto.

3. Does not try different things - I am a big critic of his but why not put Jack Watts at CHB and make him learn what it is like to play there. He will be beaten, but it will teach him valuable lessons.

I would also like to see Stephan Martin assume the position of CHF and Aaron Davey coming off the half back flank.

Why would you put Watts at CHB when we have Garland, Chip and Rivers? Maybe on the wing so his skills can be utilized. Stefan Martin is being groomed as a back-up ruckman in the Leigh Brown mould, CHF, I don’t like it.

4. Cannot break a defensive zone -Too many times the person kicing in goes long to Jamar, who has 2 or 3 opposition players around him. It is not hard to break a defensive zone and all U18 TAC cup kids have been taught it during their development. The person kicking in needs to move the ball on far more quickly when kicking out as far too often it gives the opposition to set up their zones. Why dont we do it??

I agree that this is definitely a ‘work in progress’. This has been discussed at lengths in another thread.

Are you speaking from AFL experience in regards to “It is not hard to break a defensive zone”?? I think you are punching above your pay grade here…

Furthermore, the U18 TAC Cup is a fart in the wind compared to the AFL, this comparison is ridiculous.

5. Cannot create a Forward Zone - It is something that we do not implement properly and it is far to easy for opposition teams to come out of our Forwards half. Which brings me to my next point.

I agree with this and would put It in the ‘work in progress’ category.

6. Pressure (especially on the opposition ball Carrier) - Far too many time this season we have seen the opposition with the ball and a Melbourne player jogging towards him half heartedly. The opposition should know that in the back of their mind that whenever he gets that ball he is going to be tackled or under pressure.

Is this assumption made based on the last two games? If so, I tend to agree, to a point. I don’t see this issue coming up on a weekly basis though.

Dean Baileys record speaks for itself. He does not have a game plan that works and his comments/excuses after games shows that he does not have it in him to be the hardline coach to give us supporters the premiership we would like. He should be moved on at seasons end.

His record is poor, no doubt, the game plan is far to early to call and as for the comments/excuses after a game, what do you expect?? Finger pointing and personal attacks??

At this moment he is coach a bunch of kids, very immature and inexperienced at this level. I will make my call on Bailey come seasons end.

 

[bing181]

Re: Dean Baileys Coaching.

When players do done something that costs the team a goal, have a poor disposals or make stupid decisions they are not reprimanded.

I stopped reading after this ... just one (small example), the TV coverage showed him getting stuck into Jones after that dropped mark on the wing.

Criticism is fine, but this is nothing but a witch hunt.

 

[syl]

Re: Dean Bailey

Why does everyone feel the need to start their own threads on this? Syrus, you know better, there is a thread on Page 2 with the exact same title for Googles sake!

Can a mod please merge this.

 

[Syrus]

Re: Dean Baileys Coaching.

Tell me this, when Alastair Clarkson was in his first 2 years at Hawthorn, did he have a winning culture?

Ok lets compare

Bailey now in his 4th year.
Year 1 : 13.6% win/loss
Year 2 : 18.2% win/loss
Year 3 : 36.4% win/loss
Year 4 : 33.3% (currently)

Clarkson
Year 1 : 22% win/loss
Year 2 : 41% win/loss
Year 3 : 58% win/loss
Year 4 : 80% win/loss (premiership)

How do you know players don’t get a spray? Are you that ‘fly on the wall’??

Watch the TV. You never see him get angry or frustrated, throw a phone, etc ?? Has no killer instict.

Don’t disagree, I find it frustrating when this happens to. Incidentally, I can understand this tactic when there are no free opposition players in our F50. With our forwards having good leg speed, it allows us to have the ball kicked long into the open space for us to run onto.

How is it a tactic and how is it working for us?? It might have worked for Dennis Pagan when he had his paddock, but we dont have a Wayne Carey.
Forwards should make the backman accountable, not the other way around.

Why would you put Watts at CHB when we have Garland, Chip and Rivers? Maybe on the wing so his skills can be utilized. Stefan Martin is being groomed as a back-up ruckman in the Leigh Brown mould, CHF, I don’t like it.

He is not working at CHF, so why not try him somewhere else. Put him on the wing or at 196cm in the ruck. Try something with him. He is going backwards.

Are you speaking from AFL experience in regards to “It is not hard to break a defensive zone”?? I think you are punching above your pay grade here…

Furthermore, the U18 TAC Cup is a fart in the wind compared to the AFL, this comparison is ridiculous.

Where do you think most players get drafted from. TAC Cup is the stepping stone into the AFL and they get taught zones, game plans, etc. And yes i am speaking from experience.

Is this assumption made based on the last two games? If so, I tend to agree, to a point. I don’t see this issue coming up on a weekly basis though.

The last 3 seasons. The few times that we have done it. We have won the non favourite games.

His record is poor, no doubt, the game plan is far to early to call and as for the comments/excuses after a game, what do you expect?? Finger pointing and personal attacks??

At this moment he is coach a bunch of kids, very immature and inexperienced at this level. I will make my call on Bailey come seasons end.

Game plan. What game plan?? Care to tell me what it is??

I would accept accountability from him when we lose a game, not the politicians spin.

 

[Demon 86]

Re: Dean Bailey

Why does everyone feel the need to start their own threads on this? Syrus, you know better, there is a thread on Page 2 with the exact same title for Googles sake!

Can a mod please merge this.

Second.

Though to his credit Syrus went to a lot of effort and made a well structured OP with some good points- well played

 

[Syrus]

Re: Dean Bailey

Why does everyone feel the need to start their own threads on this? Syrus, you know better, there is a thread on Page 2 with the exact same title for Googles sake!

Can a mod please merge this.

My bad. Merge it then

 

[demonfromupnorth]

Re: Dean Baileys Coaching.

Where do you think most players get drafted from. TAC Cup is the stepping stone into the AFL and they get taught zones, game plans, etc. And yes i am speaking from experience.

You didn't just say that did you hot shot? Your creditability is under scrutiny.

Hit me with some evidence before I waste any more of my time. I would love to eat my words.

 

[Syrus]

Re: Dean Baileys Coaching.

You didn't just say that did you hot shot? Your creditability is under scrutiny.

Hit me with some evidence before I waste any more of my time. I would love to eat my words.

I'm talking about playing TAC, not AFL.

 

[Syrus]

Re: Dean Bailey

Second.

Though to his credit Syrus went to a lot of effort and made a well structured OP with some good points- well played

Thankyou.

 

[Chip_]

Re: Dean Bailey

Thankyou.

You didn't happen to watch on the couch last night, did you?

 

[demonfromupnorth]

Re: Dean Baileys Coaching.

I'm talking about playing TAC, not AFL.

Syrus, anyone can claim that they played this or that.

Your off the hook, this time, i won't squeeze anymore, just don't big name yourself on an internet forum champ.

 

[Syrus]

Re: Dean Bailey

You didn't happen to watch on the couch last night, did you?

Nah sorry. I dont have foxtel. Why's that??

Syrus, anyone can claim that they played this or that.

Your off the hook, this time, i won't squeeze anymore, just don't big name yourself on an internet forum champ.

Im just telling you what its was like from a TAC perspective. You asked.

 

[demonfromupnorth]

Re: Dean Bailey

Im just telling you what its was like from a TAC perspective. You asked.

Stuff it, Who did you play for in the TAC Cup? Provide some proof.

 

[bing181]

Re: Dean Baileys Coaching.

You never see him ... throw a phone, etc ??

That about sums it up. Bailey doesn't throw the phones around, so he's a loser.

 

[Syrus]

Re: Dean Baileys Coaching.

That about sums it up. Bailey doesn't throw the phones around, so he's a loser.

You know what i mean. A bit of passion for whats going on.

Are you happy with him bing??

 

[lose]

Re: Dean Bailey

thought he was pretty bloody unhappy in his press conference after the game Sunday... plus was going bloody hard in the circle out on the ground after half time

 

[jack the ripper]

Re: Dean Baileys Coaching.

That about sums it up. Bailey doesn't throw the phones around, so he's a loser.

he certainly is a loser, hes strike rate proves it, syrus you need to be careful otherwise that nut case from up north will start ranting.

 

[demonfromupnorth]

Re: Dean Baileys Coaching.

he certainly is a loser, hes strike rate proves it, syrus you need to be careful otherwise that nut case from up north will start ranting.

Jack, jack, jack, how did i know this was coming...

I never did reply to that question you had for me.

If we don't make finals this year, DB is in trouble.

 

[Syrus]

Re: Dean Baileys Coaching.

he certainly is a loser, hes strike rate proves it, syrus you need to be careful otherwise that nut case from up north will start ranting.

Start, whens he going to finish...

 

[Mightydees]

Re: Dean Bailey

Dean Bailey's first 2 years can't be taken into account because we were clearly tanking and I don't care what anyone says.

Last year most of the team were still in nappies but Bailey still showed a sharp improvement both on the field and on the ladder.

This year Bailey needs to show the same level of improvement. We need to finish 8 or 9 and that will be a pass mark in my opinion.

Too many people forget that we have a very young team with alot of our key players still developing but they expect to see the quality of play that teams like Collingwood and Geelong put out each week. Its completely laughable. We are heading down the right track so lets not put the cart before the horse and at least give Bailey until the end of the year to see how we go before you put him over the rack and flog him senseless!

 

[Mightydees]

Re: Dean Bailey

I should add that anyone that has followed this club for any period of time would have happily taken 1 draw, 1 win and 1 loss after 3 rounds. But suddenly we are expecting miracles

 

[jack the ripper]

Re: Dean Bailey

if bails wins another 9 games i will shout him to the daily planet for a 2hr special.

 

[Mightydees]

Re: Dean Bailey

if bails wins another 9 games i will shout him to the daily planet for a 2hr special.

I reckon we will win a total of 9 or 10 and that will be a good result.