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Yep another footy thread by me, weird isn’t it??
This time it’s the forward line, which has been talked about greatly in the off-season. With the departure of Farmer supporters questioned weather the Demons where capable of kicking a winning score. After all in 2000 the Wiz kicked 60 odd and was equal 2nd goal-kicker in the league. In ’01 with Farmer injured (and not having much of an impact when he wasn’t) Melbourne did struggle, but in my opinion this year we should be OK, if the ball is up the right end of the ground enough!

Neitz: I thought I would start with Neitz because in my opinion he should not be in the forward line. He cannot play CHF, his kicking just isn’t good enough. ND uses him at FF most of the time, which is really wasting his ability in defense, his kicking over the last few years has been mediocre at best, all too often kicking behinds from set shots. Neitz should therefore be in the back line, where he could be used effectively as a CHB. And if Melbourne are really struggling for marking power up forward (providing the ball is getting down there) he could be moved accordingly.

Schwarz: A key member of the Demon forward line at 195cm he is a tall “tank” CHF. He has the strength to match most players in the game, and also does extremely well controlling the boundary throw-ins. If it hadn’t been for his dodgy knee’s he could have been one of the great CHF's in the league, and he was sorely missed in the years after recovering from his 3!! knee reconstructions. He is nearing the end of his career (29 this year) but he should be around for a few years yet.

Robertson: Lacks the consistency needed for a forward, can do everything when he’s “on” and looks shocking when he’s not. Melbourne’s leading goal-scorer last year from FF/FP, the Dee’s will need a similar performance from him this year to have an impact on the 8. If only he could trade some of his marking ability for some consistency....

Green: Great pickup in 2000 for Melbourne, he was the hero of the final against Carlton that year, and is one of Melbourne’s leading small forwards (184cm). In his 41 games so far he has kicked 65 goals, which is a fair effort considering he was needed as a goal-kicker from his first game. It has been suggested that he should be moved to the midfield, but you win games by kicking goals, and with Melbourne so full of midfielders he should remain on a flank or in a pocket.

Bruce: Debut the same time as Green, playing the same number of games for less return (he has kicked 53 goals). Another member of the forward line who has been tried in another position, the back-line, and although the Dee’s defense could use some more height, Bruce is better used in the forward line. He has lacked consistency like so many of the other Melbourne forwards, but needs to be persevered with.

Vardy: The newest member of the Dee’s forward-line, he has come from Adelaide, where he tasted premiership success. Has been injured in recent times, but still has years left in him at 26. Vardy is still recovering from groin surgery he had at the completion of last season, but he is set for a round 1 return. Needs to kick goals to prove the trade was worth while.

Bizzel: Even though this former Geelong forward seems to be playing primarily in defense, he can be swung forward if needed. Bizz has a strong mark, but in-consistency and poor kicking at times has let him down. I hope he can prove himself as a HBF/BP player for the Dee’s who has the occasional stint in the forward line.

Wheatley: Many believe he is Melbourne’s next Center Half Back, I would prefer to see him as our next Center Half Forward. The main problem with Wheatley is that his is so versatile, which is a problem because ND doesn’t seem to know what to do with him. He has what is probably Melbourne’s best kick, being able to boot 50-60 meters with relative ease. This and the fact he is strong make him the perfect candidate for CHF. The only problem is his height at 189 he isn’t short.. But if only he had another few inch’s on him…

White/Jolly: The other FF option is to rotate either White or Jolly out of the ruck. We all know White can take a huge grab, and he has been moved forward for an average of half a goal a game (61 goals from 121 games) However White will be needed primarily in the ruck this year, so Jolly is the other option. Jolly’s skills from what I have seen aren’t fantastic, but he is a much better key position prospect than Simmonds ever was. Jolly should play plenty of senior footy this year, and I hope that for some of it he will get his chance in the forward line.

That about wraps it up. I’m sure there are other’s I haven’t mentioned capable of playing up forward, but these are the main prospects... Unless of course one of the draftees can step up this year, we can only hope. Yet even if one doesn’t, with the likes of Schwartz, Vardy, Green, Bruce and Wheatley up forward, the Dees should (key word should) be more than capable of kicking a winning score.
 
ok well i think our forward line should look a little something like this.

Schwarta at CHF and giving him the license to roam up the ground.This space will allow Bizzell at FF to lead out into the space.Robbo and Greeny in the pockets and letting Robbo fly for the marks and say Greeny crumbing the packs and just soccering in a goal every now and then. Out on the forward flanks we should have Bruce and say either a A.McDonald or a Yze to play more of a sweeping midfielder who would drift into the forward line. the flanks were the hardest things...but then we could swing Robbo out there to allow Ooze into the midfiled and throw Vardsinto a pocket and let him crumb and do what he does best - KICK GOALS! Whitey is also an option at FF but only if he is needed. i dont know what Jolly is like in front of goals so yeah im not gonna pass judgement. and yeah Jamma is a shocker in front of goals. LOL

I really think if Neitas form doesnt pick up in the remaining 2 wiz cup games, he should go down back. His confidence will be down after friday night and yeah if he keeps it up his confidence will be shot. and a run down back would be good.
 
If ever it was needed to be shown where David Neitz should play, just look at Friday night. Not only our forward line, but how bad the backline was.
 

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I like Robbo up the ground more where he can get more of the ball and be in the action. In the pocket he is out of the action more, and he is one player who needs some good touches early.

FF: Bruce Bizzell Vardy

HF: Robbo Schwarz Green

Green will go to midfield to rest Powell etc. White will most likely go to the bench and be used forward if we really need it.
 
HF:Vardy,Ox,Bruce
F:Robbo,Neeta,Green

I'd expect many players to be rotated through the forward line.

Bizzell,Powell,Johnstone,Junior,Williams,Jolly/Jamar,Clark,Marshall & maybe even Yze & Chell will probably all get some time up forward. Powell will be eased back in & has looked good up forward in the past.
 
Originally posted by CowboyFromHell


FF: Bruce Bizzell Vardy

HF: Robbo Schwarz Green


I think thats also a really good set up, the only problem is that we are lacking a tall forward who can mark, which is why I put Whitey in when he is not rucking. He can certainly take a mark and he can kick pretty well. If however Bizzell doesn't find his place in the backline, expect our forward line to look something very similar to that above.
 


FF: Bruce Bizzell Vardy

HF: Robbo Schwarz Green

I'd chose a forward line similar to this, with some midfielders rotating through the flanks/pockets and some rucks/other talls, rotating through FF.
 
Originally posted by DEES RULE!


Thats what I was TRYING to say..... but did I make no sense again, that you had to repeat it? :confused: :( :p
Nah just hadn't actually read your post yet, :p :D
 

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Originally posted by CowboyFromHell


FF: Bruce Bizzell Vardy

HF: Robbo Schwarz Green


I think you'll find that 5 medium sized forwards in the one forward line is too many. I cant see Robbo, Green, Bruce, Vardy and Bizzell in the one forward line without them getting in each others way. Thats why Schwarz is handy at CHF, because he plays more like a roaming flanker giving more room to Nietz/Robbo/Vardy/Green/Bruce/Bizzell to play deeper in the forward line.

I would still have my forwards like this...
HF. Bruce--Schwarz--Vardy
F. Robbo---Nietz--Green

Depending on who we play, match-ups, injuries and how well theyre working together, we can always rotate this around.
If Bizzell moves down there either Robbo or Green will probably have to move up the ground to make room for him.
 
Originally posted by DEES RULE!


I think thats also a really good set up, the only problem is that we are lacking a tall forward who can mark, which is why I put Whitey in when he is not rucking. He can certainly take a mark and he can kick pretty well. If however Bizzell doesn't find his place in the backline, expect our forward line to look something very similar to that above.

You have a point in some regards Or, but we do have Ox, who can always take a grab. Biz is a gun in the air, and so is your boy Robbo. Vardy can take a mark and crumb well, and we have Bruce, Green/Powell/White down their in stints as well. That forward line can easily get us past 100 each week if they put their minds too it.

Then again, all of them barring Ox can be terribly incosistent. If they got rid of that, look out world, the Dees will be back!
 
Originally posted by BIG POPPA PUMP


I think you'll find that 5 medium sized forwards in the one forward line is too many. I cant see Robbo, Green, Bruce, Vardy and Bizzell in the one forward line without them getting in each others way. Thats why Schwarz is handy at CHF, because he plays more like a roaming flanker giving more room to Nietz/Robbo/Vardy/Green/Bruce/Bizzell to play deeper in the forward line.

I would still have my forwards like this...
HF. Bruce--Schwarz--Vardy
F. Robbo---Nietz--Green

Depending on who we play, match-ups, injuries and how well theyre working together, we can always rotate this around.
If Bizzell moves down there either Robbo or Green will probably have to move up the ground to make room for him.

Not bad, but Ox is wasted at FF. He needs to be out at the 50 metre line, and Neita needs to be a CHB, not CHF.
 
Originally posted by CowboyFromHell


You have a point in some regards Or, but we do have Ox, who can always take a grab. Biz is a gun in the air, and so is your boy Robbo. Vardy can take a mark and crumb well, and we have Bruce, Green/Powell/White down their in stints as well. That forward line can easily get us past 100 each week if they put their minds too it.

Then again, all of them barring Ox can be terribly incosistent. If they got rid of that, look out world, the Dees will be back!

Ok fair enough (ok we gotta stop agreeing like this Adam, its scaring me :D). But like you said they all have their off days and if Oxy is having a bad day we are in trouble in regards to solid talls. I guess thats when Neita can occasionally go forward and Biz can go back. White should be put in there whenever he needs a break from the ruck/midfield.
But like you said, if they are consistant well than we got one hell of a forward line! (all thanks to my boy Robbo :p)
 
Originally posted by dees01

What is going on? You are agreeing with Cowboy and myself:eek: :eek: :confused: :confused:

I DON'T KNOW! I gotta stop this... I'm scaring myself here! :( :o
But if you don't mind me and that cowboy over there... well we do agree occasionally, but than we argue and I win and he gets upset! :p
On the other hand with you I just argue and you get sick of reading my crap so I technicaly win! ;)
 

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My darling little Or. Seeing us agree brings a smile (of sorts) to my face. Then again, history says we will have a heated argument fairly soon, so let's not go overboard. And one of these days you will see I've always been right.......right?

On the subject of forwards, if Ox has a bad day, then normally the rest of them do, except for Wiz but he aint here anymore. But Ox plays well more often than not and if he get's support, we will be right.
 
Originally posted by CowboyFromHell
My darling little Or. Seeing us agree brings a smile (of sorts) to my face. Then again, history says we will have a heated argument fairly soon, so let's not go overboard. And one of these days you will see I've always been right.......right?

Well if I remember correctly, it will once again be all your fault and I will once again be right and than like the silly girl that I am, I will forget what went on and we will speak as if nothing happened.... oh you gotta love this disturbing situation! :D :p
 
Liar, Liar pants on fire!!!

I am never wrong......or maybe I was just then??
 
Originally posted by DEES RULE!


Age: 19
Maturity level: 9 :D :p

I'm right.... and you know I am... but coz you're a male you can't admit it..... ;)

That was right, I will admit, although I think you were being too kind in the maturity department!
 

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