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LL's team summation. I hope she does not mind.



Michael Atherton
Atherton had a test average of 37.70 but that does not tell the true picture of this very correct and defensive batsmen. He had the misfortune to play an Australian team during his career that had arguably the best bowling attack international cricket has seen. A player who did not give his wicket away cheaply. His 185 against South Africa in 1995, when he batted for over 10 hours to save a test match, is a defining match in his career.
Graeme Gooch
A huge scorer of runs in a long career that spaned 118 test at an average of 42.58. Gooch made a 333 for England at Lords in 1990.
Mark Taylor
One of the greatest captains that Australia has produced. A great tactician and popular with his players this superb left hander scored at an average of 43.50. On his first ashes tour he had the remarkable average of 89.3 when he scored 839 runs on the tour. Another highlight was a superb 334 not out against Pakistan. Taylor was also without a doubt one of the best slips fielders the game has produced and he hold the world record of 157 catches for a non wicket keeper.
Viv Richards
One of the greats of cricket. Richards was one of the most destructive and hardest hitting batsmen the game has seen. In 121 tests he averaged 50.23 with a highest score of 291. In 1976 he scored 1,710 in just 8 months. Has the record forth fastest 100 in test cricket set in 186 when he smashed his century from only 56 balls. One of Wisdens 5 cricketers of the Century.
Douglas Jardine.
One of the best captains to ever lead an England side. Jardine captained England on the 1932/33 tour of Australia. England won the series 4 – 1.
It is best to read Cricinfo as to the controversy that surrounded this tour. Needless to say Jardine justifiably deserves his place as one of the great captains of the game as not too many teams had the ability to beat an Australian side that included the great Donald Bradman let alone win a series. Overlooked in all the controversy is the fact that he was also a very good number 5 batsman who averaged the more than respectable average of 48 in 22 test matches.
Alec Stewart
Stewart was a very good all-round cricketer who not only opened the bating for England and batted in that position at 44 he was also a good wicket keeper. When batting in the lower order when on duty as a keeper he was a powerful player who had the ability to protect the lower order. He played 133 tests for England.
Mark Boucher
Boucher is a superb South African keeper who has taken 346 catches and made 14 stumpings in a test career that is now 97 matches old and at the tender age of 30 still has a long career ahead. He holds many records,to quote Crinfo “Fastest man to a 100 dismissals here, highest score by a nightwatchman there, most innings without a bye over the road - they've tumbled out so quickly that it has been difficult to keep up. Probably his most significant achievement, however, came in only his second Test match, his first on home soil, against Pakistan at the Wanderers in February 1998 when he and Pat Symcox put on 195 to set a new Test ninth-wicket partnership record. The real relevance of this feat lay not so much in its numbers, but in the fact that it was built with South Africa in desperate trouble at 166 for 8”
He rarely makes an error with the gloves on and along with these feats must make him one of the finest glove men to play. He has 4 test centuries at a very handy average of just under 30. A superb cricketer and must be looked on as an all time great.
Richard Hadlee
What to say about the great Richard Hadlee Single handily kept New Zealand cricket competitive for many a long year. A right arm fast bowler who took 431 wickets at an average of 22.30 over a career of 86 tests. He was the first player to reach 400 wickets and made that mark in 79 tests! Not only was he a very quick bowler when he needed to be he was very accurate and could move the ball in the air and off the seam. His best performance was against Australia at the Gabba in 1985 when he took 9/52 and 6/71. This all time great was a more than useful batsman who scored 3124 runs including 2 centuries at an average of 27.17.
James Laker
An excellent right arm off spinner who took 193 wickets in 46 test matches at the superb average of 21.25. What Laker is remembered for is also the amazing match figures of 19/90 achieved against Australia at Old Trafford in 1956. These match figures have stood to this day.
Lancelot Gibbs
One of the greatest right arm off spinners who took 309 wickets at 29 over a career spanning 29 tests. He was the 2nd bowler and the first spinner to take 300 test wickets. An astonishingly accurate bowler who has an economy rate of 1.99! This is a remarkable rate by any standards when we consider that Shane Warne who is a very frugal bowler has an economy rate of 2.65.
In a match against India he returned the figures of 53.3-37-38-8!
Courtney Walsh
An amazing fast bowler who played 132 test between 84 and 01 who took 519 wickets at 24.44. The longevity of his career and the fact that he was still bowling very fast even towards the end of his career is to be marvelled at. Along with Curtley Ambrose he formed one of the most formidable fast bowling attacks in history.
 
What Laker is remembered for is also the amazing match figures of 19/90 achieved against Australia at Old Trafford in 1956. These match figures have stood to this day.


Thats incredible, would be a great scorecard to read.
 

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LL picked some great players but her team is all a tad disjointed. I just do not rate Gooch or Stewart, England had not much depth there for a long time. Atherton was a gutsy player but not good enough to be in a world eleven.
But she came up with rippers like Lock and Gibbs and Jardine who in this day and age may pass, undeservedly, people by. Boucher is a great player in anyone's language. If Stewart was not going to be selected for his keeping IMO there was no point in selecting him in the first place. I would like to know her thinking. She may not have had much time to give it much thought as she was travelling overseas. I suspect when you put the poll up this team will not attract a vote sadly. Sorry to be harsh.
 
I think POBT has got us all, i cant believe we let him get all of those players!!

Warwicks team is very good. Do not underestimate that team. I have been comparing them and have still not made my mind up. Both Warwick and POBT posted very good summations of their teams. I tried my best with LL but my heart was not with a couple of players.

I have not looked at yours or the others as you have not posted anything.
 
LL has a lot of star players who would comfortably fit into any of our teams: Richards, Hadlee, Walsh, and Laker, but there are also a couple of players who weren't considered close to the best even when they were at the top of their games (i.e. Gooch and Atherton).

Before the game (after Bradman was ruled out), there was really only one player who i was looking at getting first if i had the number 1 pick - Garfield Sobers. I feel LL may have wasted her first pick by picking up Tubby.

POBT's does look exceptional and it will be very hard to beat. I think he did something no one has done during the previous 3 or 4 drafts, and that was to control the game. Getting Sobers was a huge bonus because he automatically had probably the best batsmen available, as well as a top-notch bowler (so he wasn't under pressure to find a quality spinner). He got a little bit of luck considering he got a pick before LL after she didn't take hers in the day, but he then took 3 high-quality pace men. That left the rest of us scrambling to find some opening bowlers, while POBT calmly built his batting order. I think the rest of us were playing catch-up from that point on.

Still, the fat lady has not sung and i am looking forward to seeing the other 3 teams, and the poll. Stranger things have happened.
 
TEAM TODDY XI

1. Sir Jack Hobbs (RH Bat/Medium Bowler) 61 Tests, 5410 Runs, 56.94 Ave, 15-100’s & 28-50’s, HS 211, 17 Catches, 1 Wicket, 165.00 Ave, 376.00 S/R, 2.63 R/O, BB 1/19.

Sir Jack Hobbs is considered one of crickets most prolific batsmen with an average of 56.94 in tests and over 61000 runs at first class level including 199 centuries. Was the first cricketer to be knighted and was included in Wisdens 5 cricketers of the century in 2000.

2. Walter Hammond (RH Bat/Medium-Fast Bowler) 85 Tests, 7249 Runs, 58.45 Ave, 22-100’s & 24-50’s, HS 336*, 110 Catches, 83 Wickets, 37.8 Ave, 96.01 S/R, 2.36 R/O, BB 5/36.

Wally Hammond is often judged in the top 4 batsmen to have played the game (with W.G Grace, Jack Hobbs and Don Bradman). His 7249 (50000+ at First Class) runs coming at an average of 58, added to his incredible ability fielding at 1st slip and medium fast bowling which took 83 test wickets and 734 at first class level.

3. David Boon (RH Bat/Off Spin Bowler) 107 Tests, 7422 Runs, 43.65 Ave, 21-100’s & 32-50’s, HS 200, 99 Catches.

Boony is often regarded as Australia’s most popular cricketer, his pull/hook and square cut was often seen in his dominating performances. Not only was Boony considered a rock solid first drop batsmen but his close in fielding was among the best to play.

4. Ken Barrington (RH Bat/Leg Spin Bowler) 82 Tests, 6806 Runs, 58.67 Ave, 20-100’s & 35-50’s, HS 256, 58 Catches, 29 Wickets, 44.82 Ave, 93.62 S/R, 2.87 R/O, BB 3/4.

Ken Barrington also known as the stone wall, was regarded as one of the top batsmen England has seen recording an average only surpassed by one other England batsmen. His leg breaks were considered handy taking 29 test wickets as well as 273 first class wickets (to go with more than 30000 runs).

5. Jacques Kallis (RH Bat/Medium-Fast Bowler) 103 Tests, 8072 Runs, 55.28 Ave, 24-100’s & 40-50’s, HS 189*, 99 Catches, 202 Wickets, 31.87 Ave, 68.04 S/R, 2.81 R/O, BB 6/54.

6. Mohammad Yousuf (RH Bat) 73 Tests, 6402 Runs, 56.65 Ave, 23-100’s & 26-50’s, HS 223, 59 Catches.

7. Ian Botham (RH Bat/Fast-Medium Bowler) 102 Tests, 5200 Runs, 33.54 Ave, 14-100’s & 22-50’s, HS 208, 120 Catches, 383 Wickets, 28.40 Ave, 56.95 S/R, 2.99 R/O, BB 8/34.

8. Rod Marsh (RH Bat/RH Off Spin Bowler) 96 Tests, 3633 Runs, 26.51 Ave, 3-100’s & 16-50’s, HS 132, 343 Catches.

9. Fred Trueman (RH Bat/ Fast Bowler) 67 Tests, 981 Runs, 13.81 Ave, 0-100’s & 0-50’s, HS 39*, 64 Catches, 307 Wickets, 21.57 Ave, 49.43 S/R, 2.61 R/O, BB 8/31.

10. Allan Donald (RH Bat/ Fast Bowler) 72 Tests, 652 Runs, 10.68 Ave, 0-100’s & 0-50’s, HS 37, 18 Catches, 330 Wickets, 22.25 Ave, 47.02 S/R, 2.83 R/O, BB 8/71.

11. Muttiah Muralitharan (RH Bat/ Off Spin Bowler) 110 Tests, 1117 Runs, 11.75 Ave, 0-100’s & 1-50’s, HS 67, 59 Catches, 674 Wickets, 21.73 Ave, 54.45 S/R, 2.39 R/O, BB 9/51.


This is what ive got so far.
 
Ken Barrington also known as the stone wall, was regarded as one of the top batsmen England has seen recording an average only surpassed by one other England batsmen. His leg breaks were considered handy taking 29 test wickets as well as 273 first class wickets (to go with more than 30000 runs).
Was that Sutcliff?

Also toddy, i would probably switch Kallis and Yousef around.
 

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POBT's does look exceptional and it will be very hard to beat. I think he did something no one has done during the previous 3 or 4 drafts, and that was to control the game.

More good luck than good management. :eek:

Getting Sobers was a huge bonus because he automatically had probably the best batsmen available, as well as a top-notch bowler (so he wasn't under pressure to find a quality spinner).

Sobers is a massive advantage. I probably didn't realise it as much in the context of the game until towards the end when I didn't have to scramble for a spinner or middle order batsman. When I chose him, it was on the basis that he was the 2nd best player ever - the game strategy meant nothing at that point!

He got a little bit of luck considering he got a pick before LL after she didn't take hers in the day, but he then took 3 high-quality pace men.
To be honest, LL's preference for modern Englishmen (who I wouldn't have taken) was also helpful. With her having two picks between mine, she could have really stuffed things up for me. A couple of times she picked my pocket but generally I got the player I had identified before she took her picks.

That left the rest of us scrambling to find some opening bowlers, while POBT calmly built his batting order.

Other than Hutton and Sobers, my batting line up looked nothing like what I envisaged before the game started. I still think that it is the weaker aspect of my team. I don't mind having Walters at #6 for team balance but if people vote on stats alone, Walters looks like a weak link. Sangakkara, on the other hand, is great on paper but is probably behind the 3 Aussie keepers and Boucher in terms of name recognition.

I think the rest of us were playing catch-up from that point on.

It didn't feel like it. It seemed to me that in the 8 picks between mine, 5-6 of my preferred players dropped out each time! I was interested when RG mentioned that she thought it was more advantageous to pick 1st or last. From my perspective, it was amazingly frustrating to have so many picks go by before you got your next one. Eg - when I took Sobers, I identifed Warne, Gilchrist, Hammond and Imran as my ideal next picks....all gone before my next go (although Hutton was a mistake at that point - I should've started my fast bowler focus then and hoped that 2 of Hutton, Hayden and Sunny were available later).
 

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