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nicky said:
Actually to tell a depressed person they need to "think positively" is downright condescending.

Btw st johns wort is anti depressant.
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Wow, you and SA with similar thoughts in another thread. Who would've thought.
For you to make the above comment to a person with depression I.e. WCE is also condescending and patronizing. If it works for him then he has a right to voice his personal opinion.
 
nicky said:
Actually to tell a depressed person they need to "think positively" is downright condescending.

Btw st johns wort is anti depressant.
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I agree wholeheartedly.

I would rarely ever recommend the use of St. John's Wort, it has many understated side effects and cannot be taken alongside conventional medicine. If you are on St. Jon's/a "herbal" remedy that may contain it and you get prescribed an SSRI bad things can happen so make sure you let your doctor know you are taking it.
 
I didn't see anything WCE said as condescending or arrogant, in fact I could relate to and agreed with much of what he said. His advice in my case was correct, but it's battle for me on deciding if want to act on it or not.

Right now I'm feeling more like saying **** it and just giving in. Just took up smoking today after being a non-smoker for 30+ years :(
 
brett15 said:
I didn't see anything WCE said as condescending or arrogant, in fact I could relate to and agreed with much of what he said. His advice in my case was correct, but it's battle for me on deciding if want to act on it or not.

Right now I'm feeling more like saying **** it and just giving in. Just took up smoking today after being a non-smoker for 30+ years :(
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No mate, don't do it. You'll be kicking yourself later.
 

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Sebastian Balboa said:
What I was referring to was romantic love, the love that tells you that you mean something to someone, that their touch makes you tingle, their mere presence makes sense of life and your place in this world, that at the end of the day they are with you by choice, they are next to you in bed snoozing away content that you are there. This love.
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As a single girl who has had two relationships, neither lasting more than one year, that made me tear up. Beautifully said Sebastian.

I turned 30 yesterday, feels like the years are slipping away and I have accomplished nothing.
 
brett15 said:
Right now I'm feeling more like saying **** it and just giving in. Just took up smoking today after being a non-smoker for 30+ years :(
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You will get erectile dysfunction when you get older if you smoke. If that, becoming an invalid stuck in a chair because they are so exhausted from sucking in air that they can't move or sleep, or dying in horrible pain doesn't stop you smoking... Well nothing will.
 
woopedazz said:
You will get erectile dysfunction when you get older if you smoke. If that, becoming an invalid stuck in a chair because they are so exhausted from sucking in air that they can't move or sleep, or dying in horrible pain doesn't stop you smoking... Well nothing will.
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come on ease up...
 
As a person who doesn't suffer from depression, I often wonder if it is indeed, 'better to talk about it'. Is it possible that constant self-reminding of the condition becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy?

Is this endless, seemingly unresolvable, possibly counter-productive introspection a large part of the problem, rather than a solution to it?

Not having a 'go' at anyone, but I wonder if anyone feels better in or about themselves from having aired their difficulties in this gargantuan thread. I must emphasize that I come from a position of limited knowledge on the subject, but I think these may be relevant questions, worthy of consideration. I too could possibly be accused of promoting even more futile introspection by merely asking.

Edit: It occurs to me that this seeming compulsion to 'talk about it' may well be one of the symptoms of the condition. If this be so, that would make it very difficult to 'get over it', or 'get on with your life' as many sufferers are often advised. The chicken and egg thing may come into play too. Are people who are prone to being introspective (self-absorbed would be too harsh a term) in this way more liable to endure the condition?
 
skilts said:
As a person who doesn't suffer from depression, I often wonder if it is indeed, 'better to talk about it'. Is it possible that constant self-reminding of the condition becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy?

Is this endless, seemingly unresolvable, possibly counter-productive introspection a large part of the problem, rather than a solution to it?

Not having a 'go' at anyone, but I wonder if anyone feels better in or about themselves from having aired their difficulties in this gargantuan thread. I must emphasize that I come from a position of limited knowledge on the subject, but I think these may be relevant questions, worthy of consideration. I too could possibly be accused of promoting even more futile introspection by merely asking.

Edit: It occurs to me that this seeming compulsion to 'talk about it' may well be one of the symptoms of the condition. If this be so, that would make it very difficult to 'get over it', or 'get on with your life' as many sufferers are often advised.
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Indeed, we can take that even further. What role does the psychopathological diagnosis of an authority figure play in the reinforcement of this theme?
 
People can handle things in different ways I guess. If someone told me all the **** that has happened to them in the last 6 years the way it's happened to me I'd be like holy flipping **** that's messed up, but the fact it's happened to me feels normal and the way things are. I'm not happy about it but I guess I'm desensitised to it all. Not a lot gets to me which is kind of good I guess, but on the flip side not a lot really matters to me. I'm very blasé about most things other than sport for some reason.
The worst of the worst happened about a month ago but it was an ongoing saga, and from here on in everything is just numb. Is it depression? Who the fk knows. All I know now is that not a whole lot matters in life. I mean REALLY. It's pretty simple. Life and Death. You are alive or you are dead. All the other stuff is filling in time, and I guess you should make the most of it whatever it may be. But then again, what is the point when it gets taken away from you before you expect?

Eh. As for smoking, I can almost guarantee that not having smoked for 30+ years and starting is the worst way to start smoking ciggies. I started when I was 16 socially, gradually smoked more until I was 20 then quit. I've done it, it was pointless, now I'm over it. I can see it be more addictive later on in the life. Get the bad shit out early I say.

I'd try and quit asap because it will only get harder to the more you do it and THAT is as good a guarantee as you will ever get.
 
Chops_a_must said:
Very few do actually.

The only SSRI that worked for me was prozac which is one of the few that does have evidence to back it. Doesn't react with alcohol, so still allowed me to have fun.

Was also the last of about 20 I tried.
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Both Prozac and Prothiaden worked wonders for me.
 

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A post on GD kind of popped into my head. I'm talking to a mate on Facebook and something kind of clicked. I wonder if he has depression?

Let me tell you the backstory. For the first two or so years of high school, he was pretty badly bullied. I'd heard his name a few times but always in a negative tone. I always felt bad, but to be honest, I never even knew what he looked life. In about year 10, he was in my science class, and he was completely 'normal.' Me and a few other guys started talking to him, and I'd say that's when our friendship began. We'd shoot the shit and talk about soccer (the poor bloke's a Portsmouth fan!), but initially, he was always a little reserved. It was always like he didn't want to say something stupid. But by the end of the term, he was completely fine, and this reserved side kind of disappeared. He said stupid things, we'd call him out on it, but then I'd say something stupid, and he'd call me out: Normal, healthy banter in a normal, healthy friendship.

Anyway, me and my mates were basically the normal 'floaters' or inbetweeners. We had mates above and below us, and we could always talk to anyone and still felt like we belonged. I suppose the majority of people on this board fit that mould.

So anyway, this mate is just normal. You forget about his past or whatever, he's just another one of the blokes you hang around with.

However, me and my mates had a pretty weird sense of humour. We were into the normal things: Girls, footy, soccer, bitching about teachers and school, whatever. But with the internet, we'd quite often get on the piss and watch horrific videos or whatever. So when we had a laugh about something gratuitous(usually about sex, but I think most 15 year old males talk about sex in a pretty 'gross' way), it was accepted and pretty normal, but we always had boundaries. Nonetheless, black humour was pretty prominent and you didn't think twice about it.

Anyway, we're all 18 now, so we've matured a bit. We don't talk about shit like that, or things in such a manner.

But he mentions stuff like "I'm so bored I might kill myself," or when I ask him what's up, he'll reply with "nothing much, just thinking about suicide" or something to that effect. He'll talk about being depressed or whatever. It's weird. He's kind of self-loathing and will always deflect positive things. Toward the end of high school, he really withdrew from the whole thing. He got decent marks, but he just didn't seem to try that hard... I know school isn't for everyone, but it's just another one of those symptoms.

However, his social life sounds great. He's never liked fishing and he's usually more into his arts and stuff, but he's been going with some mates a lot. He seems to go down the pub or get on the piss with his mates, and he'll smoke some pot maybe once every two months as a bit of a social thing. He's not withdrawing from social activities or anything like that.

I've done a bit of reading tonight, and it seems it's worth saying something to him. I highly doubt he's depressed, but it's worth asking and doing the righty. It'll be a bit awkward because most of us have always been hugely happy blokes, and girl troubles were always the height of our 'deep' conversations. But I want to know what's up.

Sorry for the long post, but it's all necessary.

Basically, do you think this initial stage of getting bullied ****ed him up? Could he be recovering from it still?
 
Suicidal ideation/thoughts on death is pretty serious. Have a talk with him and see if he opens up; you'll be doing the best thing a mate can do. Don't push him too hard, but let him know you're there for him.

Maybe there's nothing wrong, but it sounds like he might be depressed.

EDIT: I had/have a great social life and excellent connections, however an unfortunate family history sometimes gets the better of me. One friend took me aside one day and asked how I was doing and it led to me seeking the help I needed when I was about your age. I was hitting the booze and partying hard, but I'll be damned if I didn't just leave parties randomly and go off on walks in the early morning and wonder about ending it all. It's a strange thing.
 
Yeah, the thing is, it's a real all or nothing situation. There's a chance that this is just him, and he's just making the occasional joke (we're all self-deprecating sometimes). I'm pretty confident that the kid has a decent outlook on life and that suicide isn't on his mind. However, it's definitely worth checking up on. I'm going home in a few days and we're gonna hang out, so I'll just have some beers and ask him if he's okay.
 
Silent Alarm said:
A post on GD kind of popped into my head. I'm talking to a mate on Facebook and something kind of clicked. I wonder if he has depression?


Sorry for the long post, but it's all necessary.

Basically, do you think this initial stage of getting bullied ****** him up? Could he be recovering from it still?
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Mate, from experience, the bullying always lingers. He just needs to find the right place/friends/partner for his life and get his head in shape. I was bullied from day dot and it took a long time to straighten myself out and accept who I am.
 

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skilts said:
As a person who doesn't suffer from depression, I often wonder if it is indeed, 'better to talk about it'. Is it possible that constant self-reminding of the condition becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy?

Is this endless, seemingly unresolvable, possibly counter-productive introspection a large part of the problem, rather than a solution to it?

Not having a 'go' at anyone, but I wonder if anyone feels better in or about themselves from having aired their difficulties in this gargantuan thread. I must emphasize that I come from a position of limited knowledge on the subject, but I think these may be relevant questions, worthy of consideration. I too could possibly be accused of promoting even more futile introspection by merely asking.

Edit: It occurs to me that this seeming compulsion to 'talk about it' may well be one of the symptoms of the condition. If this be so, that would make it very difficult to 'get over it', or 'get on with your life' as many sufferers are often advised. The chicken and egg thing may come into play too. Are people who are prone to being introspective (self-absorbed would be too harsh a term) in this way more liable to endure the condition?
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i briefly tried looking for it online but i can remember coming across studies into that type of thing. which discuss that it doesn't always help to 'talk about things', in the various ways that you can do that.

my memory is sketchy, it's possibly more that 'talking about it' has been the default response (it really does border on pop-psychology), and there really should be no default response to that kind of thing. individual approaches to trauma and whatnot.
this also raises the point about coddling - some people feel worse for opening up but is it a necessary evil? i have no idea.

as you mention, endless introspection is something that psych-doctors try to stop the patient from doing, at least away from their offices. getting them more active or improving their social life, etc etc.
i've been on forums revolving entirely around depression. people can get hooked into other people's behaviours (self-harm, eating disorders, and other things). there are good and bad aspects to rolling around in each others negative energy.
 
At least I don't get panic attacks any more they make life unlivable, any one get them I can recommend clonazepam. It is addictive, I get off it when life's manageable, but the withdrawal affects are anxiety so what the fk. I guess I'm an alcoholic too, in a controlled way tho, normally drink a bottle of white wine a night, but the last couple of months I've been having just 3 or 4 light beers twice a week. Oh, and I've started jogging, don't mind at times, its just all my shit that's going on gets too much at times. I'm really tough on my kids and feel like i'm turning into my old man who I didn't like much when young. My daughter says she is the way she is because of me and my son says he cant sleep because im always at him about getting a job. I really don't know if I'm too harsh or if im just being a parent.
 
I'm not sure if it's been mentioned but things like consistent exercise and having short term goals have worked wonders for my mental health and in others I know. That said I am completely against the idea of "toughing it out" for too long, if you feel there is something persistently wrong you should see a doctor. Anyone who uses terms like get over it clearly has no idea.

Are people these days over medicated? Perhaps, I've read about studies that suggest medication works best for those serverly affected and often in cases of mild depression it may be a waste of money. Personally if I had a problem I would be reading up as much as possible, while Doctors know best I find with any medical condition you can learn allot on your own and having an understanding means you can discuss options with doctors who may be quick to medicate.
 
I am currently suffering from depression and anxiety, and I recommend you to go see a GP just to get your mental health checked out.

If they believe you to have some form of depression, or mild depression, they'll refer you to a psychologist. If it persists or worsens, they will refer you to a psychiatrist who can prescribe medicine.

Even if the GP doesn't believe you to have depression, you can still go see a psychologist. That's what I did. My GP was an absolute dud, I had a feeling I suffered from depression, but he told me it didn't look like it.

A psychologist helps, it gives you someone to talk to and someone to give you an insight on how you're mind works. Because I can assure you, depression is so.... expansive, so vast, that it's hard to keep track of your sanity. It's not as linear as happiness, sadness or anger, depression can come in many ways, make you think of many things.

Even though my depression has gotten much much worse since I started seeing the GP, the psychologist, I believe if I hadn't sought help, I don't think I'd be alive today. I struggle to cope some days, and I shudder to think how I'd do if I didn't go and seek help.

Best of luck to you mate.
 

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