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[guess_who]

MM has been quoted as saying (2004) that in the next 2-3 years he believes Tex Walker will become one of the dominant CHB's of the competition - the dudes 20 and his performances last year at Willi were outstanding - Bradley Gotch (Willi coach) also stated that Tex was the most impressive collingwood listed player at willi last year - his disposal is also excellent when he's got his confidence up - he can hit a target 50-60 m away off 1 step out of the backline and did so regularly for willi last year - hes also winning sprints during the pre-season which at 196cm and over 100 kg's is very impressive - one to watch this year for sure

Word is that Matty Crazy john Lokan is doing great in the preseason... look out for him next year... Had a great year when he played in the twos.

 

[Vinnie Vegas]

At this point he is the most experianced of Hall,Morrison,TCloke, who are vying for those backline roles.Maxwell will be his only real competiton for a gig and dont be suprised to see both playing alongside eachother next yr.

Morrison will not, and should not be used in the backline in any capacity. He needs to be groomed as our CHF of the future.

As for Maxwell, I would think he's about two good games away from securing a regular senior spot. Jason Cloke could be the guy finding himself in the cold. Anything C1 can do, Maxwell can do bettter.

 

[Timbo123]

Word is that Matty Crazy john Lokan is doing great in the preseason... look out for him next year... Had a great year when he played in the twos.

ahhhh i love a cynic
i'm just saying what the CFC coaching panel have stated - gimme something decent to come back with or go back to the playground - but of course you're a much greater judge of young footballing talent.
Actually matty lokan is having a fairly ordinary pre season - have you even been down and had a look or are you basing it on your own proffesional opinion.

 

[eddiesmith]

Although I did not envisage this post being about Tex I knew slotting him at CHB would be controversial. To all the naysayers out there next year will bring out another step forward in Walkers development. This year he showed glimpses and Iam sure Malthouse will utlise his physical attributes in the key back role. Wakes is 30 next yr and presti is 27 so in the scheme of having a succession plan Walker needs to br groomed for a backline role. At this point he is the most experianced of Hall,Morrison,TCloke, who are vying for those backline roles.Maxwell will be his only real competiton for a gig and dont be suprised to see both playing alongside eachother next yr.

Wakelin, Presti, J.CLoke, J.Clement, N.Maxwell. Now tell me how Walker would get a game unless we get hit with injuries to about 3 of these players.

T.Cloke>Walker already.

 

[hotpie]

Wakelin, Presti, J.CLoke, J.Clement, N.Maxwell. Now tell me how Walker would get a game unless we get hit with injuries to about 3 of these players.

T.Cloke>Walker already.

Easy. Of them, only Wakes and Presti are genuine key position players. Wakes is probably in his last season in 2005, and Presti is injury prone. Walker is without doubt our number three key defender (and a back up ruck and key forward option which is more than you can say for the rest of that list), and should progress further this season. He should be an automatic selection in our starting 18 by 2006.

 

[eddiesmith]

T.Cloke and J.Cloke are 2 better CHBs who are ahead of Walker. If Walker becomes are main CHB then we are screwed and we better win a flag this year or else because 2006 will bring a wooden spoon if Walker is the best we have

Trav is also a backup forward and Ruck option. I dont think we can afford to have the opposition CHF having 7-8 scoring shots a match and win, cos thats the minimum that Walker will concede a game

 

[Howie]

Your giving us nothing but rhetoric (look it up in a dictionary) there Eddiesmith.
Your obviously strong in your views, which is fine, but you just keep stringing out the same crap with out backing it up with any sort of convincing argument.
"Trav Cloke and Jason Cloke are already better than Tex".
Jason you can make a case for, he has also played AFL and also in defence.
However, I don't think he has the body to play key position and particularly doesn't have the pace (Tex does) to mind full-forward types nor centre half-forwards of the Reiwoldt variety.
And Travis? He hasn't even stepped on to an AFL ground. Have you even seen him play TAC Cup?
My glimpses of him, most notably watching him closely in last year's TAC grand final, saw a pacey tall that could kick it a long way. But he wasn't thrust into defence at any stage. So how you could say he is definitely ahead of Tex even though he has only played junior football and most of that wasn't in defence?
Well the simple answer is you can't. Your just spinning lines. Like the crap about "well if Tex is a key defender then the opposition will get to 7 to 8 shots on goal a game against him". What?
That's ridiculous on so many levels. Midfield pressure, opposition talent, third man up - a million factors week to week come into it.
Tex is 20, but he is brilliantly built, has exceptional pace and is learning the game of football. He needs exposure to Willi seniors and the occasional AFL senior game for the next 5 years.
When he's 25 (and still relatively young) he could be the dominant defensive force that MM has publicly alluded to.
Can't wait for your rivetting, shallow response.

 

[Cassius_Clay]

Your giving us nothing but rhetoric (look it up in a dictionary) there Eddiesmith.
Your obviously strong in your views, which is fine, but you just keep stringing out the same crap with out backing it up with any sort of convincing argument.
"Trav Cloke and Jason Cloke are already better than Tex".
Jason you can make a case for, he has also played AFL and also in defence.
However, I don't think he has the body to play key position and particularly doesn't have the pace (Tex does) to mind full-forward types nor centre half-forwards of the Reiwoldt variety.
And Travis? He hasn't even stepped on to an AFL ground. Have you even seen him play TAC Cup?
My glimpses of him, most notably watching him closely in last year's TAC grand final, saw a pacey tall that could kick it a long way. But he wasn't thrust into defence at any stage. So how you could say he is definitely ahead of Tex even though he has only played junior football and most of that wasn't in defence?
Well the simple answer is you can't. Your just spinning lines. Like the crap about "well if Tex is a key defender then the opposition will get to 7 to 8 shots on goal a game against him". What?
That's ridiculous on so many levels. Midfield pressure, opposition talent, third man up - a million factors week to week come into it.
Tex is 20, but he is brilliantly built, has exceptional pace and is learning the game of football. He needs exposure to Willi seniors and the occasional AFL senior game for the next 5 years.
When he's 25 (and still relatively young) he could be the dominant defensive force that MM has publicly alluded to.
Can't wait for your rivetting, shallow response.

we all know that...the thing we need to know is does the boy have skill or a footy brain. Thats the big question

 

[eddiesmith]

Tex Walker has no skill or footy brain, that is a fact. If Richo and Darcy werent 2 of the worst kicks in the AFL that is atleast 2 games Collingwood would have lost because of Walker being so ********. He has pace? Richo had no problem beating him to the contest every time, so much that Walker had to give away free kicks because he has no brains and held on to him instead of trying to punch.

So youve watched Trav play once have you? Wow, one game can tell you so much about a player cant it. Trav is taller and stronger than Walker, is athletic for his size and has more footy brains and probably more brains than Tex.

Walker has had chances and never showed anything to show that he will be able to hold down CHB. Also an arrogant little ******** that deserves to be shot

 

[Howie]

So this is actually a personal attack more than anything else.

Okay, let's go through your last response slowly, so that this thing doesn't just keep going around in circles with you posting the same thing each time.

Let's start with skill. Walker is an excellent, long raking kick. He has a very strong pair of hands. He is quick, I can promise you that.
Tex's prob remains his decision making and many question his footy smarts. My only response to that is he is big and he is 20. He deserves more time.

What else have you got there.

I highlighted that what I have seen of Trav are only "glimpses". But my question to you is, how much have you genuinely seen of him. And even if you have watched every TAC game he's played, until he plays against men you can't suggest he is actually physically and mentally past Tex as a player.
Interesting was your call that Trav is taller and stronger - instead both are 195cms and Tex weighs 95kg to Trav's 86kg.

Walker's had chances. He showed he may, should he continue to develop, be able to hold down centre half-back with an outstanding display for Willi against Tasmania when opposed to Trent Bartlett (not a star but not awful either). Remeber, this performance came from a 19-y-0 who is growing into his body.

Looking forward to your reply, which I'm sure will contain no facts, examples but just boring slander that's seems based solely on whatever opinion you feel like whipping up.

 

[eddiesmith]

Well interesting because Cam is also listed at 195 yet Trav was bigger than him when I was talking to them last week. Tex weighs more so he must be stronger? Yeah that makes sense

I have seen plenty of Trav play over the years and he is a damn good player. He is alot better kick than Tex. How you claim Tex is a great kick is beyond belief, he is the most innacurate shot for goal in the side, and that is not easy to be in our current list

Your basing your argument on Tex beating some Tasmanian player in the VFL? Haha, that is just ridiculous.

Trav may infact play CHF, who knows, he is happy with either spot it just depends on where the coach wants him, he just wants to play in one of those 2spots and could easily hold them both down.

Please tell me if Walker is so quick, why does he never get to a contest before his opponent when playing CHB? Why can he never get there and set instead he either finishes miles behind or hangs on to his opponent.

No facts or examples? Ive given you plenty of Walkers failed efforts at CHB but keep getting ignored, he has opportunities and failed on numerous occasions, twice Jason has had to take over and had no problems on the man who was destroying Walker, or else Jason has been moved and Walker has let up the pressure and let the opposition right back in the game, example v Richmond, Richo ran wild and got them in front once Walker was moved onto him