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In any sport, whether it be simulated or not, the best players in each sport usually play in the best positions on the ground/field/court etc. Is the SFA the exception to this rule however? Obviously the simulated competition means that anyone can play any position at any time, so how do you determine who the "best" players are in this comp? The one metric that gets brought up all the time is posting, and why shouldn't it? The more active the poster, the "better" they are in this competition. We have an entire award based on who the best poster is each season, so this would be the metric that gets used.

In my eyes, there are 7 "premium positions" on a qootball field, the positions that usually garner the highest Dream Team points and the league and club awards each season. Those positions are the 6 midfield spots (Ruck, Rover, Ruck Rover, Left Wing, Centre, Right Wing) as well as Full Forward. In previous years, these positions were always reserved for the premium posters, those who were the most active and did the most for the club. All of that has changed recently, and there is one major reason, I believe, as to why that is the case.

All-SFA. Everyone here is playing for fun, but there is some cool things that you can get out of it, including awards such as All-SFA selection. Obviously the way the All-SFA works* is that 6 defenders, 6 midfields, 6 forwards and 2 additional midfielders make up the end of season Best XX based on a 50/50 split* between on field statistics and posting numbers. Some players are now playing the odds, being selected in back pockets or forward flanks, to give themselves a better chance of getting selected in the team. This means that the "best players" are no longer playing in the "best positions" on the ground anymore.

I'm not sitting here saying that the most active posters HAVE TO play in these 7 positions, but there is some alarming numbers for the other players that are now in those positions. The general consensus is that any player that does not average 15 post per week is not even going to be considered for All-SFA honours at the end of the season, so that is a good starting point for this thread. I have gone through each teams players and posting number through the first month of the season and put a mark on each team.

The categories I have broken them into are All-SFA (50+ ppw shown in blue), Deserving (25-49 ppw shown in green), Needs improving (15-24 ppw shown in yellow) and Back Pocket (>15 ppw shown in red) and I have ranked each team from 13 to 1.

13th - ROYS FFC

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Without Cats_R_Cool_4_Ever, the Roys would be a genuine corpse. Reigning Mobbs Medalist, DERRINALPHIL is posting okay numbers but the rest of the team is almost non-existent. Four players not even reaching 10ppw with one more barely above that mark. Needs a serious overhaul.

12th - WEST COAST WONDERS

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Another team with a big drop off after the top 2, with BFew and ClarkeM doing the majority of the lifting for the Wonders. SSwans2011 is improving and nearly at the yellow mark, but 5 posters with less than 100 combined posts, including Giant YoYo at Ruck Rover with goose eggs, not looking good.

11th - FIGHTING FURIES

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The Furies numbers look bizarre due to a switch of positions from Orange crush and crazywildhorse. The shining light for the Furies, as always, is ShaunDuggan. Duggs has 214 posts, whereas the other 6 positions COMBINED have just 141, and is the sole reason the Furies aren't dead last. Orange crush has been good in his three weeks, but the third most active poster being Sab22 at 7.5ppw is damning for the Furies.

10th - DRAGONS FFC

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No super standout player here, but a few solid players, the jump from 11th to 10th is actually quite big. Strigoi, Hatchy1992 and A Swallow leading the charge in the green with rookie 2big2strom and veteran Ljp86 with solid enough contributions behind them. The only issue with the Dragons is right at the bottom with Bradesmaen and Purple Jesus lacking in production. Overall, a pass mark, just.

9th - MOUNT BULLER DEMONS

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We start to get into the overall pass mark teams, the Demons have two elite posters up top with moginie on a wing ad All Aust in the middle. Wosh may have only played one game on the wing before moving to a back pocket, but her contribution has helped elevate the Demons overall. Her replacement on the wing, Bluelegs, has done the complete opposite and actually dragged the Dees down. Overall, 4 positions over 20ppw every week is a good effort.

8th - SIN CITY SWAMPRATS

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Another team all over the place with positional swaps, since moving into the Ruck, damicky has lead the charge with over 67ppw at the top for the Rats. jackster83 has been passed around like a $2 hooker, but has contributed solidly wherever he plays. Samcro24 had one week in the ruck and posted well and Tarasque36 and TheGoatBaron are pulling their weights also. The bottom three is the main issue for the Rats, with SweetD, GotTheGoodes and MP_ all lacking in posting numbers so far this season.

7th - LAS VEGAS BEARS

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A very all or nothing type team the Bears. The only team in the comp to have two posters over 100ppw in the premo positions, with a third over 80ppw, but the drop off is steep from there. No players in the green with two posters slotting into the yellow and Matera92 and Test Tickle bringing up the rear in the red with less than 40 post each on the season. Overall a good fit with just a couple of fixes at the bottom end.

6th - GUMBIES FFC

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Much like the Bears, there is only two posters dragging this team down but unlike the Bears, the top 5 is spread very evenly. DenieD, Hydatina Physis, GWS Goose, Falconista and beez are all averaging between 30 and 50 ppw, meaning there is constant activity from them without one person taking over. The Gumbies just need Supercheapgiants and/or Matthew Jelley to bump their numbers off or move out to be a top tier team.

5th - CONEY ISLAND WARRIORS

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Was a tough decision to split the Gumbies and Warriors as the Gumbies had more consistency across the board, but the Warriors had a higher floor and ceiling on their numbers. New recruit Dingster is in the All-SFA tier with 53+ppw , while jannissary and Piggy Smalls are averaging 11 and 6ppw respectively down the bottom. A little bit more activity from yours truly and FootyGuy13 and the Warriors could really shoot up to the top.

4th - BAGHDAD BOMBERS

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DP obviously leads the league in posting, so it's no doubt she is right up the top and leads everyone mentioned today. Similar breakdown to the Warriors but the extra green as opposed to a yellow gives them the nod here over Coney Island. If the Bombers can convince veteran iDon to get up and about, they could see themselves promoted to number 1.

3rd - EAST SIDE HAWKS

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This one surprised me a little, but it seems like the Hawks have got their mix nearly perfect this season. Tarkyn_24 and a rejuvenated Loonerty lead the way in the top tier with sausageroll, TY24 and club **** okeydoke7 all putting in some quality efforts. Even DangerSloane in the back pocket category isn't that far off escaping, only 3ppw away from being upgraded. The only glaring weekness for the Hawks so far is rei154 with just the 3 total posts this season.

2nd - OPHIDIAN OLD BOYS

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You can out the blame fairly and squarely on the shoulders of TRUMAN#1 for why the Old Boys are not number one this season. When your lowest ranked player is still averaging nearly 10ppw, your posting unit as a whole is very strong. Two All-SFA players, 3 deserving nods and only the 1 needing improvement, the Old Boys are proving again that they are one of the strongest posting units in the league.

1st - GOLD CITY ROYALS

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The Royals in the off-season vowed to become one of the best posting units in the competition and so far, they have delivered that in spades. Their top four players are posting at an All-SFA level, all averaging over 70ppw with Crimson Azure going mental with nearly 200 per. GreyCrow and grumbleguts are doing more than enough in their positions which just leaves Ulahoopski the odd man out. CakeEater was rightfully moved out of the premo position with just 12 posts but Ulahoopski's 9 posts over three weeks just doesn't cut it. Make the Left Wing adjustment and the Royals will be perfect.
 
I have never bothered with position. It's the thread that's the main part of this. The actual game is like watching someone throw sand at the beach and seeing where the grains land.

I don't care where I play.
 
In any sport, whether it be simulated or not, the best players in each sport usually play in the best positions on the ground/field/court etc. Is the SFA the exception to this rule however? Obviously the simulated competition means that anyone can play any position at any time, so how do you determine who the "best" players are in this comp? The one metric that gets brought up all the time is posting, and why shouldn't it? The more active the poster, the "better" they are in this competition. We have an entire award based on who the best poster is each season, so this would be the metric that gets used.

In my eyes, there are 7 "premium positions" on a qootball field, the positions that usually garner the highest Dream Team points and the league and club awards each season. Those positions are the 6 midfield spots (Ruck, Rover, Ruck Rover, Left Wing, Centre, Right Wing) as well as Full Forward. In previous years, these positions were always reserved for the premium posters, those who were the most active and did the most for the club. All of that has changed recently, and there is one major reason, I believe, as to why that is the case.

All-SFA. Everyone here is playing for fun, but there is some cool things that you can get out of it, including awards such as All-SFA selection. Obviously the way the All-SFA works* is that 6 defenders, 6 midfields, 6 forwards and 2 additional midfielders make up the end of season Best XX based on a 50/50 split* between on field statistics and posting numbers. Some players are now playing the odds, being selected in back pockets or forward flanks, to give themselves a better chance of getting selected in the team. This means that the "best players" are no longer playing in the "best positions" on the ground anymore.

I'm not sitting here saying that the most active posters HAVE TO play in these 7 positions, but there is some alarming numbers for the other players that are now in those positions. The general consensus is that any player that does not average 15 post per week is not even going to be considered for All-SFA honours at the end of the season, so that is a good starting point for this thread. I have gone through each teams players and posting number through the first month of the season and put a mark on each team.

The categories I have broken them into are All-SFA (50+ ppw shown in blue), Deserving (25-49 ppw shown in green), Needs improving (15-24 ppw shown in yellow) and Back Pocket (>15 ppw shown in red) and I have ranked each team from 13 to 1.

13th - ROYS FFC

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Without Cats_R_Cool_4_Ever, the Roys would be a genuine corpse. Reigning Mobbs Medalist, DERRINALPHIL is posting okay numbers but the rest of the team is almost non-existent. Four players not even reaching 10ppw with one more barely above that mark. Needs a serious overhaul.

12th - WEST COAST WONDERS

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Another team with a big drop off after the top 2, with BFew and ClarkeM doing the majority of the lifting for the Wonders. SSwans2011 is improving and nearly at the yellow mark, but 5 posters with less than 100 combined posts, including Giant YoYo at Ruck Rover with goose eggs, not looking good.

11th - FIGHTING FURIES

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The Furies numbers look bizarre due to a switch of positions from Orange crush and crazywildhorse. The shining light for the Furies, as always, is ShaunDuggan. Duggs has 214 posts, whereas the other 6 positions COMBINED have just 141, and is the sole reason the Furies aren't dead last. Orange crush has been good in his three weeks, but the third most active poster being Sab22 at 7.5ppw is damning for the Furies.

10th - DRAGONS FFC

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No super standout player here, but a few solid players, the jump from 11th to 10th is actually quite big. Strigoi, Hatchy1992 and A Swallow leading the charge in the green with rookie 2big2strom and veteran Ljp86 with solid enough contributions behind them. The only issue with the Dragons is right at the bottom with Bradesmaen and Purple Jesus lacking in production. Overall, a pass mark, just.

9th - MOUNT BULLER DEMONS

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We start to get into the overall pass mark teams, the Demons have two elite posters up top with moginie on a wing ad All Aust in the middle. Wosh may have only played one game on the wing before moving to a back pocket, but her contribution has helped elevate the Demons overall. Her replacement on the wing, Bluelegs, has done the complete opposite and actually dragged the Dees down. Overall, 4 positions over 20ppw every week is a good effort.

8th - SIN CITY SWAMPRATS

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Another team all over the place with positional swaps, since moving into the Ruck, damicky has lead the charge with over 67ppw at the top for the Rats. jackster83 has been passed around like a $2 hooker, but has contributed solidly wherever he plays. Samcro24 had one week in the ruck and posted well and Tarasque36 and TheGoatBaron are pulling their weights also. The bottom three is the main issue for the Rats, with SweetD, GotTheGoodes and MP_ all lacking in posting numbers so far this season.

7th - LAS VEGAS BEARS

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A very all or nothing type team the Bears. The only team in the comp to have two posters over 100ppw in the premo positions, with a third over 80ppw, but the drop off is steep from there. No players in the green with two posters slotting into the yellow and Matera92 and Test Tickle bringing up the rear in the red with less than 40 post each on the season. Overall a good fit with just a couple of fixes at the bottom end.

6th - GUMBIES FFC

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Much like the Bears, there is only two posters dragging this team down but unlike the Bears, the top 5 is spread very evenly. DenieD, Hydatina Physis, GWS Goose, Falconista and beez are all averaging between 30 and 50 ppw, meaning there is constant activity from them without one person taking over. The Gumbies just need Supercheapgiants and/or Matthew Jelley to bump their numbers off or move out to be a top tier team.

5th - CONEY ISLAND WARRIORS

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Was a tough decision to split the Gumbies and Warriors as the Gumbies had more consistency across the board, but the Warriors had a higher floor and ceiling on their numbers. New recruit Dingster is in the All-SFA tier with 53+ppw , while jannissary and Piggy Smalls are averaging 11 and 6ppw respectively down the bottom. A little bit more activity from yours truly and FootyGuy13 and the Warriors could really shoot up to the top.

4th - BAGHDAD BOMBERS

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DP obviously leads the league in posting, so it's no doubt she is right up the top and leads everyone mentioned today. Similar breakdown to the Warriors but the extra green as opposed to a yellow gives them the nod here over Coney Island. If the Bombers can convince veteran iDon to get up and about, they could see themselves promoted to number 1.

3rd - EAST SIDE HAWKS

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This one surprised me a little, but it seems like the Hawks have got their mix nearly perfect this season. Tarkyn_24 and a rejuvenated Loonerty lead the way in the top tier with sausageroll, TY24 and club **** okeydoke7 all putting in some quality efforts. Even DangerSloane in the back pocket category isn't that far off escaping, only 3ppw away from being upgraded. The only glaring weekness for the Hawks so far is rei154 with just the 3 total posts this season.

2nd - OPHIDIAN OLD BOYS

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You can out the blame fairly and squarely on the shoulders of TRUMAN#1 for why the Old Boys are not number one this season. When your lowest ranked player is still averaging nearly 10ppw, your posting unit as a whole is very strong. Two All-SFA players, 3 deserving nods and only the 1 needing improvement, the Old Boys are proving again that they are one of the strongest posting units in the league.

1st - GOLD CITY ROYALS

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The Royals in the off-season vowed to become one of the best posting units in the competition and so far, they have delivered that in spades. Their top four players are posting at an All-SFA level, all averaging over 70ppw with Crimson Azure going mental with nearly 200 per. GreyCrow and grumbleguts are doing more than enough in their positions which just leaves Ulahoopski the odd man out. CakeEater was rightfully moved out of the premo position with just 12 posts but Ulahoopski's 9 posts over three weeks just doesn't cut it. Make the Left Wing adjustment and the Royals will be perfect.

Look Tigerturbulance we’re winning something (yes second still counts, shutup Royals)
 
Overall a good thread The Half Back but I think your bias is showing here with the Warriors' placing relative to the Bears' . The Warriors' floor is lower than the Bears' floor, the Bears' ceiling is higher than the Warriors' ceiling, and the Bears' yellows are higher than the Warriors' yellows

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And I say it's a good thread despite not agreeing with your premise about the shift being alarming nor agreeing about the reason for it. I've mainly played non-prime spots for my entire career. It's a consequence of genuinely not minding where I play whilst accommodating other preferences. Occasionally I'll land somewhere like Rover (this happened a couple of seasons ago as none of my teammates wanted it) but that's the exception rather than the rule. I'm not alone.

I know some captains take it even further and may bench or even drop themselves (hi TedDougChris and tony ).
 
Overall a good thread The Half Back but I think your bias is showing here with the Warriors' placing relative to the Bears' . The Warriors' floor is lower than the Bears' floor, the Bears' ceiling is higher than the Warriors' ceiling, and the Bears' yellows are higher than the Warriors' yellows

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Meh, probably is, the lack of overall consistency and drop off from the good to the bad for the Bears was what made me go that way. Not expecting everyone to agree as it is just subjective.
And I say it's a good thread despite not agreeing with your premise about the shift being alarming nor agreeing about the reason for it. I've mainly played non-prime spots for my entire career. It's a consequence of genuinely not minding where I play whilst accommodating other preferences. Occasionally I'll land somewhere like Rover (this happened a couple of seasons ago as none of my teammates wanted it) but that's the exception rather than the rule. I'm not alone.

I know some captains take it even further and may bench or even drop themselves (hi TedDougChris and tony ).
Perfectly fine, I'm not saying that the most active posters HAVE to play these 7 positions, but putting in posters in the best spots that are averaging single figure posts per week is more the gripe that I have.
 
Meh, probably is, the lack of overall consistency and drop off from the good to the bad for the Bears was what made me go that way. Not expecting everyone to agree as it is just subjective.

Perfectly fine, I'm not saying that the most active posters HAVE to play these 7 positions, but putting in posters in the best spots that are averaging single figure posts per week is more the gripe that I have.
Consistency is one thing, but you put the Gumbies below the Warriors citing identical floor/ceiling arguments to the ones I used haha. To the Gumbies' credit though their middle is significantly better than the Warriors' middle. Ultimately your objective stats show that the Bears' good was significantly better than the Warriors' good, likewise with the Bears' middle being significantly better. The Bears' bottom was marginally better.
 
Perfectly fine, I'm not saying that the most active posters HAVE to play these 7 positions, but putting in posters in the best spots that are averaging single figure posts per week is more the gripe that I have.
Does this gripe come from a place that somebody is missing out? Fair enough if so, but the flipside is that not all of us want to play in a prime spot, or mind where we play.
 
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Good thread , would definitely read again. It doesn't show why I was robbed of All-SFA last season though.

I have to admit, I post for fun so the position is secondary, however I do understand why strong posters should be, or should be considered, in more prominent roles.
 
Consistency is one thing, but you put the Gumbies below the Warriors citing identical floor/ceiling arguments to the ones I used haha. To the Gumbies' credit though their middle is significantly better than the Warriors' middle. Ultimately your objective stats show that the Bears' good was significantly better than the Warriors' good, likewise with the Bears' middle being significantly better. The Bears' bottom was marginally better.
Fine, Move the Warriors to 1 and the Bears to 13.
Does this gripe come from a place that somebody is missing out? Fair enough if so, but the flipside is that not all of us want to play in a prime spot, or mind where we play.
No, just an interesting take stemming from All-SFA selections from the last few seasons.
 

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BallaratBulldogWON12531.2535.004
BFewWON18847.0036.504
BigChippa52WON41.001.003
Blightys BarrelWON00.000.000
ClarkeMWON10325.7524.504
CoopersWON00.000.000
croweater 41WON51.250.502
Cubs2LionsWON00.000.000
dogs105WON102.501.003
Floating DoughnutWON00.000.000
Giant YoYoWON00.000.000
HARPSichordWON123.003.503
jezzajayWON71.751.504
JT_the_ManWON20.500.502
KBLTWON20.500.001
LukeParkerno1WON00.000.000
NinjaSwanWON00.000.000
Oisin_the_GoatWON00.000.000
Ressies SwampPigWON00.000.000
RoonescapeWON00.000.000
Rubber ArmWON102.502.003
SSwans2011WON5213.006.503
 

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