Do we really need the extra priority pick?

[davey_magik]

Scrap priorities and go for a draft lottery.

It gets rid of the tanking issue and renders scaled assistance to all teams who finish outside the eight.

But then people will still complain and call 'unfair' regardless of which system is in place - imagine the uproar if under a lottery system the current Geelong juggernaut was able to get Kreuzer as a result of their crappy 2006?

Disagree mate.
Just have a straight draft with no priority picks no matter how the teams go.

 

[jackmac7]

Dee's need to seal the prority pick this year ahead of the the GC and WS drafts. Melbourne will find it hard to squeeze out 4 more wins for the rest of the season looking at their fixture. Win 3 or less here on in and your licking your lips Dee's fans. If so your probably looking at picks #1, #2 and #18. Easy. Scully #1 to bolster the midfield which is already looking promising even with kids like Grimes, Blease and Strauss still in the Gym. Take Butcher with #2 and Watts can play true CHF like Riewoldt. Butcher and Watts are the new twin towers. Pick #18 can be used on either a developing ruckman or a dashing half back who can kick well.

However.........................

If Freo Get pick #2 the Demons should select Butcher number #1 because Fremantle will snap him up at #2 when you consider Pavlich is likely to leave and he is getting older also Tarrant is a hack. The dockers have taken top ten Mids Palmer and Hill in their past two drafts.

Even if Butcher is not considered #1 come draft day they need to play it smart and take a KPF first. Kane Lucas is considered pick #1 potential so even if you miss out on Scully you pick up an elite Midielder just as good at #3.

Demons and Dockers square off in round 20 in what could be the Tom Scully Cup

Richmond will surely win more than 4

Melbourne, #1- John Butcher, 197cm/87kg (Gippsland Power)

Fremantle, #2- Tom Scully, 182cm/74kg (dandenong Stingrays)

Melbourne, #3- Kane Lucas, 188cm/79kg (East Fremantle)


A few months of misery in exchange for many years of happiness. Saints would not have Kosi on top of Riewoldt if not for a priority pick, Hawks get Buddy with their Priority pick and Carlton deal a trade with their priority pick to get Judd.

It means the world to a team, trust me................

 

[Ricky_15]

Very good post jackmac7.

This is such a hard position to be in as a supporter.
Anyone that says itd be stupid to be focusing on the priority picks now would be wrong.

It would be incredible to get picks 1 and 2/3.

We play the eagles and dockers at the G. so i think we would win both those games. so i have my doubts about getting picks 1 and 2.

i expect us to win 6 games.

But i want the picks. ****KKKKK

 

[jackmac7]

If you eek out 5-8 wins what's the point?

You might get a top 3 pick but you cost your club 2 top #3 picks. 2 is always better then one I say.

Why suck for one year and get one awesome pick when you can get 2. The ball is in your court melbourne. I'm not saying tank because teams in this position generally don't need to. Keep blooding these young kids and and you will only manage a few wins against teams like Fremantle, Essendon and Richmond.

It's not about getting the priority pick. It's about not losing it, that's exactly where it is, in your little hot hands Melbourne FC and it's all yours if you want it.

It will be the difference between being a very good team in coming years and being a powerhouse team.

Grimes handball's it out to Morton, he in turn dishes it off to Scully.....Scully burst through the centre and spears it onto Watts lead.............Jack Watts wheels around and kicks long to the square and Big Butch is to strong to big, he marks, he goals!.................And the Dees smash Hawthorn.

 

[jackmac7]

Just had a look at your fixture.

Only game's you can possibly win till the halfway point of the season are V Adelaide this sunday or Essendon in round 12 at the TD. Still take the crows and dons in those games especially now you have lost Green. His absence for the next 6 weeks is a blessing in disguise.

Danger games Melbourne can win are-

V West coast, MCG
V Richmond, MCG
V Fremantle, MCG

I predict adelaide who have won both road games including one over the pies at the MCG will take the chocolates and Essendon to just nip out you guys cause it's at the dome.

Halfway point Dees are 1 win. (Good Start)

I'm seeing the Dees win at least 2 of those 3 games at the MCG in the second half of the season. And let's throw in one more during the season as an upset win.

4 Wins......................Thank your mother for the rabbits!

 

[Bond.ShaneBond]

I will be a lot more confident that I will actually get to see a premiership if we get picks 1 & 2. Winning five games this year is the worst possible result. Why have one of the best draftees when you can have two of them?

Having said that, I would be amazed if we had the ability to win five games. I don't think it is a choice that has to be made this season.

 

[goDees22]

Everyone else tanks, we may as well. Other teams who have done it well were st.kilda (99-03 ish), hawks (03-05ish) and carlton (07 in particular) and have a look at how those teams are going now. tbh if we have drafted well enough over the last couple of years we won't need the extra pick. For our needs i reckon Scully > butcher need some more skilful players in our team

 

[jackmac7]

Just watching Richmond and the dockers this season it's clear kids who can't kick will not get drafted. Bemuse's me that half of the tigers and dockers players can't hit targets 20m away for so called professionals.

Turnovers are crucial nowdays and on top of this zoneing skills have become even more crucial and we are seeing the un-skillful side's getting creamed from turnovers. Because their idiot Recruiters selected guys who can't kick........ie; jake king, tambling, Palmer etc.

How many guys get picked up because their athletic and big or very fast, yet they can't kick. From what I heard Scully and Lucas are smooth operaters.

Dal Santo is not a speed demon but his skills are sublime hence why he is such a good player because he makes good decisions and rarely turns it over.

 

[unstable punt]

I just watched that video of us singing the theme song, and geez it got me pumped. I hadn't seen a win since the Carlton farce in '07 due to circumstances beyond my control (You attend 13 games for the year and miss the 3 wins) and with who we got in the last 2 drafts, plus at least 1 top 5 pick next year, I'm still confident of us becoming a powerhouse team of the competition without us resorting to scum tactics of grabing picks 1 and 2.

Call me old fashioned, but winning on Sunday felt GOOD!

yes we still could do with priority pick but its not the end of the world if we don't get it

 

[saj_21]

I dont care how many games we win for the year as long as we don;t get to round 13 with 4 wins and purposely lose every game (some of those which we may be 4 goals up at 3/4 time) to get picks 1 and 2.

 

[BETON5]

If you eek out 5-8 wins what's the point?

You might get a top 3 pick but you cost your club 2 top #3 picks. 2 is always better then one I say.

Why suck for one year and get one awesome pick when you can get 2. The ball is in your court melbourne. I'm not saying tank because teams in this position generally don't need to. Keep blooding these young kids and and you will only manage a few wins against teams like Fremantle, Essendon and Richmond.

It's not about getting the priority pick. It's about not losing it, that's exactly where it is, in your little hot hands Melbourne FC and it's all yours if you want it.

It will be the difference between being a very good team in coming years and being a powerhouse team.

Grimes handball's it out to Morton, he in turn dishes it off to Scully.....Scully burst through the centre and spears it onto Watts lead.............Jack Watts wheels around and kicks long to the square and Big Butch is to strong to big, he marks, he goals!.................And the Dees smash Hawthorn.

You forgot to throw in the name JURRA and if he or butch dont mark it maric and wonna will be crumbing and making defences look silly

 

[acuce]

I always thought it was 5 games or less and you get the priority pick...so it is 4 games or less?

Garland Martin Rivers
Green Frawley Davey
Morton Mclean Scully
Sylvia Watts Bruce
Wonna Butcher Maric

Meesen Grimes Blease

INT: Jamar Strauss Jones Bate

EMG: Petterd Moloney Warnock

Priority picks would complete our side, not to mention Jurrah, Bennel and other new inclusions to the club knocking on the door

 

[Dez!]

I always thought it was 5 games or less and you get the priority pick...so it is 4 games or less?

Garland Martin Rivers
Green Frawley Davey
Morton Mclean Scully
Sylvia Watts Bruce
Wonna Butcher Maric

Meesen Grimes Blease

INT: Jamar Strauss Jones Bate

EMG: Petterd Moloney Warnock

Priority picks would complete our side, not to mention Jurrah, Bennel and other new inclusions to the club knocking on the door

That backline is way too tall, need some small defenders in there.

With the better our midfield becomes I think it also means the more time we can let Brad Green play forward, so when we see Green up forward kicking goals you know that we are improving kicking into the attacking 50.

 

[ETOH]

I always thought it was 5 games or less and you get the priority pick...so it is 4 games or less?

Garland Martin Rivers
Green Frawley Davey
Morton Mclean Scully
Sylvia Watts Bruce
Wonna Butcher Maric

Meesen Grimes Blease

INT: Jamar Strauss Jones Bate

EMG: Petterd Moloney Warnock

Priority picks would complete our side, not to mention Jurrah, Bennel and other new inclusions to the club knocking on the door

Pretty sure it's less than 5 wins ie 4W 1D or less will get you the priority pick

 

[2 Dogs]

Its a damn shame that the tanking debate is so prominent these days, because I can't remember St Kilda or Hawthorn ever being under as much scrutiny when they were down the bottom as Carlton was or we will be if we don't at least show some improvement over last year.

Reading the words of most people here, the concensus seems to be that should we win less then 5 games, then thats fine, as long as we aren't throwing games. I suppose it depends on our win/loss record by mid year how i want the second half of the year to pan out. If we have won 4 by say round 13, then I'd be cheering every game to win from there on in. If we are still on 1 win, then I feel it's time to get games into those who are going to be around the next few years. Guys like Grimes, Blease, Maric, Watts, Strauss, Wonaeamirri, need a good feel of AFL level for at least 6 games this year so they can adjust their preseason next year accordingly. No point going the year without Watts and Blease knowing what it takes to perform at the top.

As far as priority goes, I don't know about the rest, but we are screaming for that elite midfielder. As happy as I am with Morton (who I now think will be our best player in a few years) I sometime look at our side with Cotchin, who will be a superstar. Scully looks like that, but it's very early to tell yet. Wait for the TAC championships before we start pencilling in players for next year.

 

[jackmac7]

I always thought it was 5 games or less and you get the priority pick...so it is 4 games or less?

Garland Martin Rivers
Green Frawley Davey
Morton Mclean Scully
Sylvia Watts Bruce
Wonna Butcher Maric

Meesen Grimes Blease

INT: Jamar Strauss Jones Bate

EMG: Petterd Moloney Warnock

Priority picks would complete our side, not to mention Jurrah, Bennel and other new inclusions to the club knocking on the door

Here's my Demon's side for 2012-

Backs-

Petterd, Garland, Rivers
Green, Frawley, Bartram

Centre-

Morton, McLean, Blease

Forwards-

Sylvia, Watts, Davey
Aussie, Butcher, Maric

Rucks-

Spencer, Scully, Grimes

Interchange-

Jetta, Jurrah, Strauss, Meesen

Emg-

Warnock, Dunn, Martin, Cheney, Buckley, Bail, Bennell, Jones, Bate, Maloney and 2009 pick #18

Hard to believe Jones and Bate have been left out but I can't find any room for them. They are both very similiar players and they are too slow for mine. Grimes and McLean are your in and unders with Scully, Morton and Blease as outside runners. If I had the choice between Bate or Jones I would take Bate.

Cheney, Martin and Maloney could easily be included.

Bruce and Robertson Retired.

 

[davey_magik]

Hard to believe Jones and Bate have been left out but I can't find any room for them. They are both very similiar players and they are too slow for mine. Grimes and McLean are your in and unders with Scully, Morton and Blease as outside runners. If I had the choice between Bate or Jones I would take Bate.

Yeh, because Bate is a half-forward and Jones is an inside mid.

Yeh, really similiar.

.

I am disgusted to read some of the thoughts in this thread.

You can shove your picks up your arse, because when you watch the boys sing the team song you realise what the game is all about.

 

[Capt_Concussion]

Yeh, because Bate is a half-forward and Jones is an inside mid.

Yeh, really similiar.

.

I am disgusted to read some of the thoughts in this thread.

You can shove your picks up your arse, because when you watch the boys sing the team song you realise what the game is all about.

X2

"The message you have entered is too short. Please lengthen your message to at least 4 characters." That should do it.

 

[Bond.ShaneBond]

Yeh, because Bate is a half-forward and Jones is an inside mid.

Yeh, really similiar.

.

I am disgusted to read some of the thoughts in this thread.

You can shove your picks up your arse, because when you watch the boys sing the team song you realise what the game is all about.

It is about winning premierships.

Picks = Premiership.

 

[Bond.ShaneBond]

Yeh, because Bate is a half-forward and Jones is an inside mid.

Yeh, really similiar.

.

I am disgusted to read some of the thoughts in this thread.

You can shove your picks up your arse, because when you watch the boys sing the team song you realise what the game is all about.

The game is about winning premierships.

Picks=Premiership.

 

[Supermercado]

X2

"The message you have entered is too short. Please lengthen your message to at least 4 characters." That should do it.

3rded. It's a word now.

 

[AFL is Number One]

Give me the extra pick anyday. We need all the help we can get.

" No More Than 4 " should be on our run through banner every week.

And before you guys start jumping up and down....I am a realist. Look at Carltank.

Go on.....tell me that it didn't do the Blues any good.

We are in a stage of rebuilding....and like it or not, part of that is getting the best draft picks. Thats the system.

Like I said..." No More Than 4"

Once we get established then we can go for the wins. Hawks were another team who benefited.

So why not us? . Remember: " No More Than 4"

 

[Andy_Mac]

OK this has turned into a massive rant for a first up post but here goes:

The priority pick issue is truly a double edged sword, and I’m torn.

The MFC needs to continue to develop a sustainable long term business model. We cannot continue with a ‘Debt Demolition or Diamond Joe’ every 5-10 years to bail the club out. This has bread a culture of mediocrity. For far to long the MFC has almost had an air of near enough is good enough, never more evident during the late 90’s and early-mid 2000’s when Melbourne was a ‘regular’ in September.

On field success this year (relative) will help to further strengthen the very good work that so far has been done off the field by Jimmy and co. If we do have a good year, and some how manage to eke out 6-8 wins, finish 11th or 12th we land pick 4 or 5. We will still get to add another good young kid, probably the 2nd best KPF in the 2009 draft (I think we are still way to shallow in KPF depth behind The Messiah). Not a bad result, we have moved forward!

BUT with the priority pick we will add the best KPF (lets assume Butcher) from the 09 draft to the best KPF from the 08 draft and all of a sudden we are almost assured one if not both will become an out and out superstar. Plus we also get the best mid to even further strengthen our already promising mix. In addition it will also mean Miller is big time on the trade table (Pia can stay) for an early GC pick in 2010. This would allow us to secure the services of a gun young ruckman in the event Spencer and/or Meesen don’t stand up, and if they do we finally get to start some really meaning full succession planning!!!

Summary: The Dee’s need to play it smart in 2009. Although I love singing the song, I am more than happy to keep on doing it just in the shower for another 12 months. The priority picks and for that matter the entire 2009 draft will be the most important since its inception. Not only could it be the difference between us being a legitimate powerhouse and not just regulars, the timing is PERFECT with the introduction of the 2010 GC concessions. But it’s only if the MFC make the smart strategic decision to exploit it. Keeping the best 2 kids in the country away from the likes of Essendon, Richmond, and Freo is paramount. Given the current nature of cyclic rebuilding phases we must position ourselves favourable against these teams. I would be a much more confident person walking into the G’ on the last day in September, 2015 that 15 years on we will smash the Bombers knowing they rebuilt in 2010 with pick 7 or 8 not pick 1 or 2 in 2009.

 

[2 Dogs]

OK this has turned into a massive rant for a first up post but here goes:

The priority pick issue is truly a double edged sword, and I’m torn.

The MFC needs to continue to develop a sustainable long term business model. We cannot continue with a ‘Debt Demolition or Diamond Joe’ every 5-10 years to bail the club out. This has bread a culture of mediocrity. For far to long the MFC has almost had an air of near enough is good enough, never more evident during the late 90’s and early-mid 2000’s when Melbourne was a ‘regular’ in September.

On field success this year (relative) will help to further strengthen the very good work that so far has been done off the field by Jimmy and co. If we do have a good year, and some how manage to eke out 6-8 wins, finish 11th or 12th we land pick 4 or 5. We will still get to add another good young kid, probably the 2nd best KPF in the 2009 draft (I think we are still way to shallow in KPF depth behind The Messiah). Not a bad result, we have moved forward!

BUT with the priority pick we will add the best KPF (lets assume Butcher) from the 09 draft to the best KPF from the 08 draft and all of a sudden we are almost assured one if not both will become an out and out superstar. Plus we also get the best mid to even further strengthen our already promising mix. In addition it will also mean Miller is big time on the trade table (Pia can stay) for an early GC pick in 2010. This would allow us to secure the services of a gun young ruckman in the event Spencer and/or Meesen don’t stand up, and if they do we finally get to start some really meaning full succession planning!!!

Summary: The Dee’s need to play it smart in 2009. Although I love singing the song, I am more than happy to keep on doing it just in the shower for another 12 months. The priority picks and for that matter the entire 2009 draft will be the most important since its inception. Not only could it be the difference between us being a legitimate powerhouse and not just regulars, the timing is PERFECT with the introduction of the 2010 GC concessions. But it’s only if the MFC make the smart strategic decision to exploit it. Keeping the best 2 kids in the country away from the likes of Essendon, Richmond, and Freo is paramount. Given the current nature of cyclic rebuilding phases we must position ourselves favourable against these teams. I would be a much more confident person walking into the G’ on the last day in September, 2015 that 15 years on we will smash the Bombers knowing they rebuilt in 2010 with pick 7 or 8 not pick 1 or 2 in 2009.

Rant noted, and you make some solid points.

The question I want to pose also, when is it time for us to stop using the excuse of "rebuilding", and we have to start making a dent in the competition?

Granted if we pick up 1 & 2, you can imagine that Scully would be able to slot in and have an impact, but KP players tend to take longer to develop. Hawks peaked early due to the rapid development, and general freakishness of Buddy and Roughy, but I sense it would take maybe a bit longer for Watts and butcher to leave their mark, mainly due to Buddy being one of those freak of nature footballers.

Is this the last year we are "allowed" to be shit?

 

[Andy_Mac]

Is this the last year we are "allowed" to be shit?

Yes.

We've already made progress on 2008, hell we even seem to know WTF the game plan is!

If we take the 2009 draft compleatly out of the equation, and any benifit we might get, our club and the youngsters at it will only get stronger. They have shown the ability. Correct me if im wrong but we have been leading at half time (or there abouts) in every gane other than the Port match.

What does that tell us?

They have the leg speed/raw ability to match it all ready. Only time and a lot of serious run training is going to give them th same anabolic threshold to match the elite runners of today’s game.

Once they can run all day they suddenly make better decisions (cause there is some blood in their brains) and they start hitting targets in the 3rd and 4th qtr because their not out on their legs.

Pick 1 & 2 this year would only be cream in terms of the list. It’s the hidden benefit of keeping them away from other clubs ahead of GC that is the real benefit.