Do you have doubts about your recruiters?

[Murph_The_Smurf]

recruiters wouldn't pick anyone they thought was going to be crap (exception to the rule might be mick martyn...). not everyone is going to be a star. there's not much i can do except for leave it in their hands. these people do it for a living, i'd rather these guys than some of the armchair recruiters on BF.

Id rather an armchair recruiter on bf than a newb any day

 

[mediumsizered]

Id rather an armchair recruiter on bf than a newb any day

Be nice.

 

[TorresIsGod]

recruiters wouldn't pick anyone they thought was going to be crap (exception to the rule might be mick martyn...). not everyone is going to be a star. there's not much i can do except for leave it in their hands. these people do it for a living, i'd rather these guys than some of the armchair recruiters on BF.

Well, I've just spoken to Sticks, he said if all the BigFooty posters get together before draft day, we will be in charge of the draft. What a day that would be.

 

[dumb]

Id rather an armchair recruiter on bf than a newb any day

i already applied for the job, we'll see how i go. what i had in mind was a bunch of shitty players or shitty picks for other teams' good players. i think i'm in with a shot.

 

[Silvagnis]

No doubts.

I'm more excited about Austin's potential than Kennedy when he's a mobile CHB/CHB who can play at both ends.

Austin's game and mobility playing as a key forward in the VFL was more exciting than Kennedy's standout games at VFL level.

Austin's mobility and speed is far superior to Kennedy's.

Slot in a Hurley or Johnston if we get the chance to draft one and we'll have prospects for CHB and CHF who better agility and mobility than Kennedy.

And aren't ruckman height...

 

[parrot]

I want to point out firstly this is not at all a troll thread. For what it's worth I think ...

I want to point out firstly that saying one thing doesn't disguise your obvious intention very well. lol. BTW very happy with the Blues recruiting over the past 3-4 years. Perhaps you should focus on the Dons recruiting efforts during Sheeds latter years e.g. lack of quality midfielders, Keppler Bradley etc etc. It's a bit of a disaster.

 

[Bluebear]

But I think Simpson and Fisher were 2003 and another recruiter? Not sure though, correct me if I'm wrong.

So you choose to hang your hat on Russell over Monfries, and the fact that these late gets were not by the current team..........

As far as trolls go, Hodgepodge has brought more tot he table in his war vs Gibbs.........and he has produced SFA.

Pathetic.

 

[Thrust]

There's also the year before that.
Pick 1- Marc Murphy (clearly the best player in that draft)
Pick 4- Josh Kennedy (done pretty well over at West Coast)
Pick 20- Paul Bower (would be in the team if not for injury and has played some pretty good footy)
Pick 36- Jake Edwards (has shown potential)

That's three years of fantastic recruiting. No other club would have that kind of quality recruiting record over the last three years.

debatable

Essendon has Ryder, Dempsey, Neagle and Lonergan in our best 22 from 2005

Gumbleton, Jetta, Davey, Houli and Reimers from 2006

and Myers from 2007

With Pears, Hislop (BOG for Ess versus Sydney) Daniher, Hooker, Atkinson, Hocking, all looking promising

Thats 10 in our best 22-25 players

That's three years of fantastic recruiting. No other club would have that kind of quality recruiting record over the last three years.

 

[Pred_ator]

I want to point out firstly this is not at all a troll thread. For what it's worth I think you have some fantastic players and real potential. Murphy is a star, Gibbs has shown this year that in a few years he will be in the top 5 players in the comp, Kreuzer looks awesome for such a young key position prospect, Judd is Judd, and Fevola in my opinion is the best forward in the game.

These 5 players in 2 years will be as good if not better than any other club's top 5. However when I look at your side and its ability to win premierships, I think what might stop you is your recruiting. With all due respect, you guys have Wayne Hughes and Shane Rogers in charge of your recruiting. Weren't these the guys in charge of Freo's recruiting, list management, etc, up until recently. The guys that traded picks left right and centre, and left Freo's list in a deplorable state. I don't want to go into bagging your players too much, but Hughes did pick Jordan Russell at pick 9 in 2004. He could have taken Monfries for instance, who looks a much better prospect.

Again this is not a troll thread, I am just interested to know what you guys think. Some of your picks look gems, like Browne, but shouldn't these be the norm rather than the exception is what I'm asking.

Which teams in the AFL don't have doubts over their recruiters?

 

[mediumsizered]

debatable

Essendon has Ryder, Dempsey, Neagle and Lonergan in our best 22 from 2005

Gumbleton, Jetta, Davey, Houli and Reimers from 2006

and Myers from 2007

With Pears, Hislop (BOG for Ess versus Sydney) Daniher, Hooker, Atkinson, Hocking, all looking promising

Thats 10 in our best 22-25 players

That's three years of fantastic recruiting. No other club would have that kind of quality recruiting record over the last three years.

Yet none of Dempsey, Neagle, Houli, Gumbleton, Hislop, Daniher, Hooker or Hocking have been consistently in the 22 during Essendon's recent improved form. So who of the 8 players (make that 10 if you add in the injured Davey & McVeigh) would drop out of your current 22 to allow these players in? And realistically, are Daniher, Dempsey, Hislop, Gumbleton, Hooker & Hocking currently in Essendon's best 22? You are making assumptions about some of these players that are based on nothing more than hope & promise than actual performance.

 

[dumb]

debatable

Essendon has Ryder, Dempsey, Neagle and Lonergan in our best 22 from 2005

Gumbleton, Jetta, Davey, Houli and Reimers from 2006

and Myers from 2007

With Pears, Hislop (BOG for Ess versus Sydney) Daniher, Hooker, Atkinson, Hocking, all looking promising

Thats 10 in our best 22-25 players

That's three years of fantastic recruiting. No other club would have that kind of quality recruiting record over the last three years.

houli and reimers look alright... gumbleton hasn't actually played all that much. jetta seems to go missing, a sort of young leon davis.

your bad has also been very bad. alvey, zantuck, allan, campo, murphy. not that we're outstanding in that regard either... i had high hopes for teague. that year alone was terrible.

 

[OZBomb]

If I was Essendon I wouldn't be potting other clubs recruiting.

In a couple of years time you'll have no FF, CHF and FB and you still haven't got any players developing in these positions. Gumbleton might be a great CHF, but he can't get on the park. Ditto Courtenay Dempsey. Hislop has personal problems and a number of other mid-development players like Dyson won't make it to next year. Don't count your undeveloped chickens before they're hatched.

 

[Thrust]

Yet none of Dempsey, Neagle, Houli, Gumbleton, Hislop, Daniher, Hooker or Hocking have been consistently in the 22 during Essendon's recent improved form. So who of the 8 players (make that 10 if you add in the injured Davey & McVeigh) would drop out of your current 22 to allow these players in? And realistically, are Daniher, Dempsey, Hislop, Gumbleton, Hooker & Hocking currently in Essendon's best 22? You are making assumptions about some of these players that are based on nothing more than hope & promise than actual performance.

Well I said that Hislop, Daniher, Hocking and Hooker were promising not best 22

I said Gumby, Lonergan, Neagle, Ryder, Dempsey, Houli, Reimers, Jetta, Davey and Myers were in our best 22-25

So OUT: Dyson, Peverill, Atkinson, Rama, Mal, Slattery

In: Houli, Davey, Neagle, Mcveigh, Winderlich, Dempsey

EMG: gumby, myers, Slattery

the emergencies being dislodged are magin, williams, hooker

also Gumby and Myers would be very close to pushing out NLM, Mcphee

so yeh before they were injured Houli, davey, Neagle and Dempsey were in our best 22 and gumby and myers would have been emergencies.

they weren't in the 22 as we have 26 fit players

 

[Bluebear]

they weren't in the 22 as we have 26 fit players

Thats great. How many would be in our best 22?

 

[Thrust]

Thats great. How many would be in our best 22?

I was pointing out that they were injured whilst having a whinge about essendon's injury list this year.

 

[Thrust]

I'll give a shot

B: Andrew Carrazzo, Michael Jamison, Bret Thornton
HB: Heath Scotland, Jarrad Waite, Nick Stevens
C: Jordan Russell, Chris Judd, Kade Simpson
HF: Marc Murphy, Adam Hartlett, Simon Wiggins
F: Eddie Betts, Brendan Fevola, Brad Fisher
Foll: Cameron Cloke, Bryce Gibbs, Shaun Grigg
I/C: Mark Austin, Steven Browne, Matthew Kreuzer, Andrew Walker
EMG: Dennis Armfield, Adam Bentick, Shaun Hampson


to

B: Andrew Carrazzo, Michael Jamison, Bret Thornton
HB: Heath Scotland, Paddy Ryder, Nick Stevens
C: Marc Murphy, Chris Judd, Grigga
HF: Alwyn Davey, Jarrad Waite, Kyle Reimers
F: Eddie Betts, Brendan Fevola, Jay Neagle
Foll: Cameron Cloke, Bryce Gibbs, Sam Lonergan
I/C: Kade Simpson, Bachar Houli, Matthew Kreuzer, Andrew Walker
EMG: Myers, Bentick, Hampson

IN: Ryder, Lonergan, Neagle, Boots, Davey, Houli
OUT: Wiggins, Hartlett, Fisher, Russell, Austin, Browne

fisher unlucky but he has been quite poor from what I've seen this year.

 

[Boxman]

Browne has shown just as much as Reimers IMO. And id rather have Fisher in the side instead of Neagle.

I don't know much about Lonergan but the rest would be pretty handy.

 

[Mike_blues]

I'll give a shot

B: Andrew Carrazzo, Michael Jamison, Bret Thornton
HB: Heath Scotland, Jarrad Waite, Nick Stevens
C: Jordan Russell, Chris Judd, Kade Simpson
HF: Marc Murphy, Adam Hartlett, Simon Wiggins
F: Eddie Betts, Brendan Fevola, Brad Fisher
Foll: Cameron Cloke, Bryce Gibbs, Shaun Grigg
I/C: Mark Austin, Steven Browne, Matthew Kreuzer, Andrew Walker
EMG: Dennis Armfield, Adam Bentick, Shaun Hampson


to

B: Andrew Carrazzo, Michael Jamison, Bret Thornton
HB: Heath Scotland, Paddy Ryder, Nick Stevens
C: Marc Murphy, Chris Judd, Grigga
HF: Alwyn Davey, Jarrad Waite, Kyle Reimers
F: Eddie Betts, Brendan Fevola, Jay Neagle
Foll: Cameron Cloke, Bryce Gibbs, Sam Lonergan
I/C: Kade Simpson, Bachar Houli, Matthew Kreuzer, Andrew Walker
EMG: Myers, Bentick, Hampson

IN: Ryder, Lonergan, Neagle, Boots, Davey, Houli
OUT: Wiggins, Hartlett, Fisher, Russell, Austin, Browne

fisher unlucky but he has been quite poor from what I've seen this year.

i would say fisher is not stiff but austin and wiggins are

 

[Bluebear]

I'll give a shot

IN: Ryder, Lonergan, Neagle, Boots, Davey, Houli

OUT: Wiggins, Hartlett, Fisher, Russell, Austin, Browne

fisher unlucky but he has been quite poor from what I've seen this year.

Bower is in our best 22.

Neagle has shown a bit, but I'd take Fisher ATM, even in his current form.

Betts vs Davey...........close call.

Ryder in. No question. Reimers I would squeeze in for Russ. Something about Reimers I like. Didn't think he had any skill and was a bit of a mug, earlier in the year, but has shown he can play and has a bit of mongrel.

Interesting discussion though.

 

[Thrust]

Browne has shown just as much as Reimers IMO. And id rather have Fisher in the side instead of Neagle.

I don't know much about Lonergan but the rest would be pretty handy.

You musn't have seen essendon play in the last month, he has been superb and has cemented his spot ahead of Houli and Reimers.
I think Reimers would get the nod because of how dangerous he is around goals and the defence already has Scotland, Stevens and Thornton as runners.

Bower is in our best 22.

Neagle has shown a bit, but I'd take Fisher ATM, even in his current form.

Betts vs Davey...........close call.

Ryder in. No question. Reimers I would squeeze in for Russ. Something about Reimers I like. Didn't think he had any skill and was a bit of a mug, earlier in the year, but has shown he can play and has a bit of mongrel.

Interesting discussion though.

Betts and Davey are both in, Jetta didn't make the cut. Yeah I forgot Bower, wouldn't know who to squeeze out for him though.

Hmm yeah with Neagle it's pretty close as Fisher would be an ideal 3rd tall. I chose Jay because his 2nd efforts and kicking are far better than fishers, his endurance isn't quite the same but I imagine it would be Neagle/Fisher out of the square, Waite being a lead up CHF and Fev leading between 20-55 metres

 

[Bluebear]

Betts and Davey are both in, Jetta didn't make the cut. Yeah I forgot Bower, wouldn't know who to squeeze out for him though.

Sorry, missed that.

 

[darknavy17]

There are others that were taken after Monfries I would take ahead of Monfries. He's not that good I admit. But he is a better prospect than Russell.
To be fair you used the example since 1999, and Hughes and Rogers I think have only been in charge since 2004 and 2005 respectively. But a lot of the department remained in place despite the heads changing. I'm just staggered that despite Pratt getting the best CEO in Swann, and the best player in Judd, and appointing people like Cordy who has done wonders, he didn't go for an overhaul of the recruiting department which is arguably the most important department.

Rogers was one of those people bought in by Dick identified as one of the leading 2ic's and was bought in two months into 2007 season so get ur facts straight you troll, get back under ur rock, essendon what a joke, hacks and has beens, you will loose half your list in two years you flog.

Matty knights lol, lets see how long he lasts, hamstrings are your problem as well as being at a crap Club, you maggot!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!